Wes Streeting Tweet

Lost Seasider said:
So an interesting project killed off by Khan and Hodge, presumably because Boris was behind it.

How much has Khan p***ed up the wall on ULEZ, how much has his disastrous management of TFL cost the country?
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I don't know. Why not ask the million plus voters in London who returned him as mayor on a 3.2% swing to Labour in a city where he already held a majority?

Really, the hand wringing, far-right excusing, nonsense on this thread - that's nonsense btw, not nonesence - from the usual suspects is depressing. London has voted for Khan three times now: twice against Tory candidates espousing disgusting far-right bile. The Conservative Party needs to take a long, hard look at itself and start to field decent citizens as its mayoral candidates. Ben Houchen and Andy Street are the outliers in today's Conservative Party.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I don't know. Why not ask the million plus voters in London who returned him as mayor on a 3.2% swing to Labour in a city where he already held a majority?

Really, the hand wringing, far-right excusing, nonsense on this thread - that's nonsense btw, not nonesence - from the usual suspects is depressing. London has voted for Khan three times now: twice against Tory candidates espousing disgusting far-right bile. The Conservative Party needs to take a long, hard look at itself and start to field decent citizens as its mayoral candidates. Ben Houchen and Andy Street are the outliers in today's Conservative Party.
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Where's the 'far right excusing' on here?

I see you haven't called out the disgraceful tweet the Labour mp made.

Surely a sensible person would say something like...the tweet was wrong but I don't like the Tory candidate and the way she's promoted herself.

Oh no that would be too much on AVFTT wouldn't it.

Just bitter entrenched people squabbling.

The fact the 'usual suspects' can't see anything wrong with it is predictably depressing and shows how entrenched you must be.

If that sentence was said the other way round and if it was said about Khan with extremists on his side, you'd be all over it.
 
JJpool said:
Where's the 'far right excusing' on here?

I see you haven't called out the disgraceful tweet the Labour mp made.

Surely a sensible person would say something like...the tweet was wrong but I don't like the Tory candidate and the way she's promoted herself.

Oh no that would be too much on AVFTT wouldn't it.

Just bitter entrenched people squabbling.

The fact the 'usual suspects' can't see anything wrong with it is predictably depressing and shows how entrenched you must be.

If that sentence was said the other way round and if it was said about Khan with extremists on his side, you'd be all over it.
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No. Not liking a politician is when I don't approve of someone like Jeremy Hunt and his priorities. I don't, however, call him out for racist comments and very low accusations against his political opponents. When it comes to Susan Hall I am in full agreement with Wes Streeting.
 
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bill40 said:
Let me say this slowly, Khan has won a 3rd term long before the Tories collapsed to their current nadir. You just don't get it do you? ULEZ is everything I said it was. It cost ~ £155 millions and saved the NHS millions more with fewer hospial admissions not to mention improved quality of life. You are willfully blind because you want to be and I wouldn't have voted for Khan in a million years, I just recognise what is.
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Well, I'll speak quickly, and you can use the time you save trying to find evidence to support your claims.

On Khan's popularity: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Sadiq_Khan
 
Lost Seasider said:
It hasn't improved air quality, it isn't cheap, it's not popular and neither is Khan.

If the national polls weren't a factor, Khan would be looking for a new job.

Also, no response on TFL, and how much have the pro-Hamas protests cost to police to date?
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Source?
 
JJpool said:
Where's the 'far right excusing' on here?

I see you haven't called out the disgraceful tweet the Labour mp made.

Surely a sensible person would say something like...the tweet was wrong but I don't like the Tory candidate and the way she's promoted herself.

Oh no that would be too much on AVFTT wouldn't it.

Just bitter entrenched people squabbling.

The fact the 'usual suspects' can't see anything wrong with it is predictably depressing and shows how entrenched you must be.

If that sentence was said the other way round and if it was said about Khan with extremists on his side, you'd be all over it.
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To be honest JJ you seem to be the one doing most of the bitter squabbling, and being the most entrenched on this one?

I was thinking you might be right about Wes Streeting’s tweet, and to be fair maybe it was a bit edgy and could come back to bite him (I don’t know what was done by the Conservative candidate and her supporters though).

A quick google however and sure enough it seems to suggest it is mainly GB News and Talk TV that are getting aerated on this one rather than the Press.

Also in terms of far right excusing I might be wrong, but I don’t remember you calling out Lee Anderson’s full frontal Islamophobic and racist assault on Sadiq Khan that cost him the Tory whip?

Presumably you were too busy welcoming him into the arms of Reform?
 
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Lost Seasider said:
It hasn't improved air quality, it isn't cheap, it's not popular and neither is Khan.

If the national polls weren't a factor, Khan would be looking for a new job.

Also, no response on TFL, and how much have the pro-Hamas protests cost to police to date?
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Im sure it has a improved air quality.
Hes reasonably popular. Some hate him because of his background and religion. There have been huge and vicious campaigns aimed at him on social media , many alluding to his background ( hence the Wes Streeting post), including numerous anti Ulez Facebook groups set up by Conservatives. In the end it seems Ulez didnt have much influence on the vote , much ado about v little. A lot do like Khan and hes v committed despite the Govt trying to put obstacles in his way. Despite Lee Anderson' s comments he is committed to being even handed in the diverse community that is London . Most people I know would have voted for him. Susan Hall was an unbelievably poor candidate to manage London. Khan has shown he can do it
TFL ?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
No. Not liking a politician is when I don't approve of someone like Jeremy Hunt and his priorities. I don't, however, call him out for racist comments and very low accusations against his political opponents. When it comes to Susan Hall I am in full agreement with Wes Sweeting.
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So you think a win for her is a win for white supremacists etc.

That's a pretty wild view.

Just to turn things around, is a win for a Muslim candidate a win for Muslim extremist groups the world over then? Afterall, they'd surely rather a fellow Muslim won.
 
JJpool said:
So you think a win for her is a win for white supremacists etc.

That's a pretty wild view.

Just to turn things around, is a win for a Muslim candidate a win for Muslim extremist groups the world over then? Afterall, they'd surely rather a fellow Muslim won.
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Are you losing the will to think JJ?
 
JJpool said:
So you can't answer and have to asnwer a question with a question. I've spun it around to see if you agree with it another way. It's funny whenever I seem to do that there's no answer.
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I am completely relaxed about not answering your questions. It's been a very good week at the polls for Labour. All we need now is for Sunak to put the country before his party and himself and call the general election.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I am completely relaxed about not answering your questions. It's been a very good week at the polls for Labour. All we need now is for Sunak to put the country before his party and himself and call the general election.
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So what you're basically saying is that if some nutters on one side are happy with a result then an mp is right to call out that a win for her is a win for white supremacists etc, but if it were the other way and a different group of nutters were happy with the opposite win, it's suddenly not the same, because that's not the way you view things.

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Surely both sides should be ridiculous.
 
JJpool said:
So what you're basically saying is that if some nutters on one side are happy with a result then an mp is right to call out that a win for her is a win for white supremacists etc, but if it were the other way and a different group of nutters were happy with the opposite win, it's suddenly not the same, because that's not the way you view things.

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Surely both sides should be ridiculous.
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No, I'm not saying that.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
No, I'm not saying that.
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It's just quite a simple way to see if something is right or wrong to me, a bit like when someone was calling out a terribly white balcony on BBC news. It wouldn't be tolerated the other way, therefore it's blatantly wrong.
 
Wizaard said:
Lee Anderson has said far worse many times, saying Khan supports terrorism for starters.

One tweet in isolation doesn't equivocate to the deluge of abuse aimed at Khan over the last few weeks.
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He got sacked for his comments, but also was clumsily put and should have said Khan is ultimately responsible for what's going on on his streets, with antisemitic elements left to do what they wanted, that was the point I think.

Whereas nothing will happen to this guy and they'll be no real outrage.
 
JJpool said:
He got sacked for his comments, but also was clumsily put and should have said Khan is ultimately responsible for what's going on on his streets, with antisemitic elements left to do what they wanted, that was the point I think.

Whereas nothing will happen to this guy and they'll be no real outrage.
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He didn't get sacked, he defected to somewhere accepting of his 'clumsiness'.
 
He won because the principle opposition candidate was a absolute shambles. 40% turnout and he failed to get even half of that vote. He's clearly not popular or from the numbers, wanted as mayor but the nature of the uk election system and others minority candidates come out on top. I think it's a damning indictment that the greens and the social democrats couldn't get more than a couple of percent of Londoners to vote for them.
 
JJpool said:
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Surely this is absolute gutter politics.

Is this what we can expect from the Labour Party? Stirring up hatred and racism? Look at the way Dawn Butler tried to utilise Susan Halls tweets about the Notting Hill carnival and use it to attack her about race.

www.spectator.co.uk

Wes Streeting should be ashamed of his white supremacist Tory jibe

Wes Streeting tweeted that voting for Susan Hall was voting for ‘racists, white supremacists and Islamophobes’. He's wrong.
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www.telegraph.co.uk

The Left’s opponents do not deserve to be labelled as ‘far-Right’ extremists

Those with moderate views are being smeared in a worrying campaign to silence dissent
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If Susan Hall is “far-Right”, how are the Left now describing neo-Nazis? The Tory candidate for London mayor was repeatedly smeared during the election campaign.

It started with her rival Sadiq Khan likening the hair salon owner, 69, to Donald Trump, before going on to suggest that “some of the things [Susan Hall] has said and done are racist”.
He backed up the accusation by citing examples including her “liking Enoch Powell”, and “amplifying a rainbow swastika”, as well as suggesting that the “black community has a problem with crime” and advocating more stop and search.

The reality was rather different. Hall liked a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, which stupidly suggested Powell should be included in a set of playing cards featuring great British prime ministers. And she responded to a rainbow swastika image, idiotically posted by the Left’s other bête noire, Laurence Fox, with a facepalm emoji.

The mother of two has also questioned whether the Notting Hill carnival should be relocated in the interests of public safety, and liked a post on X describing Khan as “the nipple-high mayor of Londonistan”.

While some may question the wisdom of all this online activity, shadow health secretary Wes Streeting’s suggestion that “a win for Susan Hall and the Conservatives is a win for racists, white supremacists and Islamophobes the world over,” was an insult to the electorate.

The casualisation of terms like “far-Right” and “alt-Right” is of course designed to move the centre ground further to the Left by making mainstream views, ones often held by the majority of the population, appear extremist.

During a public meeting in Ealing last year, Khan even suggested that some of those who opposed his deeply unpopular Ulez (Ultra Low Emission Zone) were a “part of the far-Right”, adding: “Some are Covid deniers, some are vaccine deniers and some are Tories.”

Perish the thought that they might be opposed to the London Mayor and his self-indulgent policies because they find him to be the intolerant one, engaging in precisely the “dangerous and divisive gutter politics” Streeting accused Hall of promoting. Those who voted against Khan because they think he’s completely useless are certainly “right” – just not in Labour’s sense of the word
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Is ULEZ as uniformly unpopular as you say?
 
Had a Sky engineer at my daughters house in Ascot yesterday, he was scathing about Khan and ULEZ in particular, said everyone he knew thinks it’s just a money making scheme and a way to get even more cameras in.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
He won because the principle opposition candidate was a absolute shambles. 40% turnout and he failed to get even half of that vote. He's clearly not popular or from the numbers, wanted as mayor but the nature of the uk election system and others minority candidates come out on top. I think it's a damning indictment that the greens and the social democrats couldn't get more than a couple of percent of Londoners to vote for them.
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Thats not remotely accurate from where Im sitting. Many like him and hes been reelected twice. He does a lot to encourage respect for the different communities in London. Hes been committed to improving the London air quality and the anti ULeZ campaign didnt appear to win Susan Hall many votes. Hes v resilient despite the Govt trying to put things in his way . I and friends voted for him.

The reason Wes Streeting made the Twitter statement was that Khan has suffered constant abuse on line and otherwise related usually to his background and religion. Conservatives set up numerous Anti - Khan and Ulez facebook groups in different London boroughs which accepted bigoted and abusive slurs on him.Thats the way they campaign these days.
 
Always tangerine said:
Thats not remotely accurate from where Im sitting. Many like him and hes been reelected twice. He does a lot to encourage respect for the different communities in London. Hes been committed to improving the London air quality and the anti ULeZ campaign didnt appear to win Susan Hall many votes. Hes v resilient despite the Govt trying to put things in his way . I and friends voted for him.

The reason Wes Streeting made the Twitter statement was that Khan has suffered constant abuse on line and otherwise related usually to his background and religion. Conservatives set up numerous Anti - Khan and Ulez facebook groups in different London boroughs which accepted bigoted and abusive slurs on him.Thats the way they campaign these days.
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the numbers don't lie; he has a little less than 20% support, or London voters are just completely ambivalent about him and every other mayoral candidate. He might be a decent person and some of his key policies have the right intention, but 20% is not a mandate. If there was an even remotely competent opposition candidate in the election (or any election for that matter) then he would not have been elected. My point is the system is broken, and the UK (and almost every other western "democracy") is on a course to be continually governed by minority (less than majority) leaders. the other side of it of course is because he is a labour candidate many of his key policies are hamstrung by national party policies or the current tory administrations attempts to f**k every one who isnt a very wealthy Tory, or Tory donor.

In that way I can admit the forced ineffectiveness of the Mayor might be the reason the population isnt coming out to vote and giving him a mandate, but again that is evidence of the broken system.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
He won because the principle opposition candidate was a absolute shambles. 40% turnout and he failed to get even half of that vote. He's clearly not popular or from the numbers, wanted as mayor but the nature of the uk election system and others minority candidates come out on top. I think it's a damning indictment that the greens and the social democrats couldn't get more than a couple of percent of Londoners to vote for them.
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The Greens and Lib Dems would have been a lot higher if it had been transferable vote rather than FPTP - they will have voted for Khan purely to stop Hall.
 
Always tangerine said:
Thats not remotely accurate from where Im sitting. Many like him and hes been reelected twice. He does a lot to encourage respect for the different communities in London. Hes been committed to improving the London air quality and the anti ULeZ campaign didnt appear to win Susan Hall many votes. Hes v resilient despite the Govt trying to put things in his way . I and friends voted for him.

The reason Wes Streeting made the Twitter statement was that Khan has suffered constant abuse on line and otherwise related usually to his background and religion. Conservatives set up numerous Anti - Khan and Ulez facebook groups in different London boroughs which accepted bigoted and abusive slurs on him.Thats the way they campaign these days.
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So if someone gets abuse they can come out with a tweet like that and say a victory for the opponent is a victory for the extreme elements that attacked them the world over.

Nonesense. It would be jumped on massively.

Let's imagine it was Farage, all sorts of extreme things get said about him, so he could then come out and say in an election, a victory for my opponent is a victory for Marxists, terrorists, Antifa etc the world over.

Good to know that would be acceptable.

There's a very easy way to show how mad some of the left are and that to simply flip something round, suddenly it's not deemed acceptable the other way.

The whole identity as anything lot don't like that.

Why can't you identity as a different race then? Or why not a different age? Suddenly that's stupid and because you're not that, they say... erm 🤔
 
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Costero Poderoso said:
the numbers don't lie; he has a little less than 20% support, or London voters are just completely ambivalent about him and every other mayoral candidate. He might be a decent person and some of his key policies have the right intention, but 20% is not a mandate. If there was an even remotely competent opposition candidate in the election (or any election for that matter) then he would not have been elected. My point is the system is broken, and the UK (and almost every other western "democracy") is on a course to be continually governed by minority (less than majority) leaders. the other side of it of course is because he is a labour candidate many of his key policies are hamstrung by national party policies or the current tory administrations attempts to f**k every one who isnt a very wealthy Tory, or Tory donor.

In that way I can admit the forced ineffectiveness of the Mayor might be the reason the population isnt coming out to vote and giving him a mandate, but again that is evidence of the broken system.
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Well its a shame 60 per cent didnt vote and they are not active in deciding who runs London. That would be better of course. He did beat the 2 previous Tory candidates too of course and this time they put forward a poor candidate .

Proportional representation could well be a good idea but for a mayor can't see how it would work. In reality he has broad support from different communities in London , despite a lot of anger and hatred coming from certain groups eg as you can see from the heckling of him from Britain First supporters at the official declaration of results . Plus the local Facebook groups set up by Conservative party officials re Ulez etc which whipped up anger and abuse towards him. Id be more concerned about those tactics. But our views differ
 
JJpool said:
So if someone gets abuse they can come out with a tweet like that and say a victory for the opponent is a victory for the extreme elements that attacked them the world over.

Nonesense. It would be jumped on massively.

Let's imagine it was Farage, all sorts of extreme things get said about him, so he could then come out and say in an election, a victory for my opponent is a victory for Marxists, terrorists, Antifa etc the world over.

Good to know that would be acceptable.

There's a very easy way to show how mad some of the left are and that to simply flip something round, suddenly it's not deemed acceptable the other way.

The whole identity as anything lot don't like that.

Why can't you identity as a different race then? Or why not a different age? Suddenly that's stupid and because you're not that, they say... erm 🤔
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The abuse was mainly towards Khan. The tweet was from Wes Streeting. Sorry Im unable to follow your points .
 
Always tangerine said:
The abuse was mainly towards Khan. The tweet was from Wes Streeting. Sorry Im unable to follow your points .
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I was trying to give an example of some sort of situation the other way round, people wouldn't be supporting it then.

But that's pretty standard.
 
Always tangerine said:
Another tweet from Wes Streeting from 1 day ago. If the link works you will see some of the types of tweet he was referring to.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1786817242631393567
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Again, some disgusting people exist on all sides, that doesn't mean you should fight a campaign saying a win for the opposition is a win for those scum on any side, trying to tar anyone that votes for that person for legitimate reasons.
 
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