Pubs v Schools

Pubs or Schools

  • Pubs

    Votes: 12 22.2%
  • Schools

    Votes: 42 77.8%

  • Total voters
    54

Dougall

Well-known member
You decide!


Pubs or "other activities" in England may need to close to allow schools to reopen next month, a scientist advising the government has said.

Prof Graham Medley told the BBC there may need to be a "trade-off", with the re-opening of schools seen as a "priority" for children's wellbeing.

It came after England's chief medical officer said the country was "near the limit" of opening up society.
 
Sod the pint, my grandkids come first. My Grandaughter has been badly affected by the lockdown and in turn my daughter, a week in Whitby has helped her, but now we have come back to a local lockdown in Bradford, even though we have had no cases in the last three or four weeks in Shipley ( part of Bradford Metropolitan.), And I am worried she will regress due to the situation. I'm furious at those who have been responsible for the new 'local' lockdown.
 
Although I do enjoy a pint or three kids come first so absolute no brainer, my grand kids need to get back to learning and seeing their friends again in Sept
 
I don't understand why it's one or the other?
I think it just has to do with the frequency of people bumping into people. It’s not especially sector focused anymore. One of my daughters works for a company that operates bowling alleys. They were suddenly told at the 11th hour they couldn’t open. Gyms however were allowed a week or so before so are still open (at the moment). There’s no logical reason for gyms to be open and bowling alleys closed as far as I can see; other than unfortunate timings.
 
I don't understand why it's one or the other?

As Chris Whitty said, we are at the limit. We can't afford to open both, although I don't see why the pubs that are playing the game shouldn't open. Close the rest down until they learn the rules.
 
People don't half like talking down the local pub like every one who uses them is some drunken loser bum.
Quite the opposite a social place where folk can meet up over a drink and have a catch up.
Yes weekend is idiot time but always has been with the sheer numbers out but hey let's all blame the pub for the increase in the R rate when it's just as likely to be with nearly everyone going back to work.
 
Schools have to re open in September. Being honest, when they shut down in March it was necessary at the time but I thought it would be for about 4-6 weeks and we would be back before the summer holidays. Most students coped well at first but there was a definite drift and increasing issues both around work and mental health arising in the summer half term in June and July. We have reached a point where the benefits of routine outweigh the risks I think. This is not to excuse the government whose mishandling of the whole crisis and failure to instigate clear guidelines and constant changes has made planning for the return of students near enough impossible for school leaders, and their attempts to blame teachers for the issues has been despicable. That said it is not just in schools their incompetence is part of the problem, depending on the good will of employers to treat any workers that need to self isolate though not ill themselves is appalling negligence as it forces many people to ignore the government's own mandatory instructions or not get paid. Even statutory sick pay is at a pathetic level compared with better governed nations in Europe.
Back to the original thread though, if it does come down to a choice between schools and pubs then the welfare of children has to take priority over adults every time.
 
Schools have to re open in September. Being honest, when they shut down in March it was necessary at the time but I thought it would be for about 4-6 weeks and we would be back before the summer holidays. Most students coped well at first but there was a definite drift and increasing issues both around work and mental health arising in the summer half term in June and July. We have reached a point where the benefits of routine outweigh the risks I think.

This part of the post was really good Cat.👍

Unfortunately you then had to ruin the rest of it by politicising . 😞

I believe you have form for this?

I dont have kids and the lockdown has caused a strain on my mental health as it has many others.
Going to the pub and socialising would certainly help my well being & be extremely beneficial.
I still have not been but was considering it next week for my birthday?

Because of a pre-existing health issue i have to be extremely careful & cannot risk catching this disease so have been shielding

I live alone and dont have a garden so things are pretty tough.

I have not seen friends and family for months.

I would love a hug from family or a friend.

I still chose schools.

Edit: I am certainly no fan of the Tories many aspects of their handling of this crisis has been to put it mildly very poor.
I am open minded enough to understand though it would have been a challenge for any politicians.

I just find it incredibly sad that an obviously educated intelligent person can be one eyed in his views that 99.99% of their thinking certainly measured by posts on here turn into a political rant.
All it actually demonstrates is how narrow minded & unbalanced you are as a person.
As said earlier lockdown has been tough on many .
Its a shame that you seem so absorbed by a very unhealthy obsession
 
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Schools have to re open in September. Being honest, when they shut down in March it was necessary at the time but I thought it would be for about 4-6 weeks and we would be back before the summer holidays. Most students coped well at first but there was a definite drift and increasing issues both around work and mental health arising in the summer half term in June and July. We have reached a point where the benefits of routine outweigh the risks I think. This is not to excuse the government whose mishandling of the whole crisis and failure to instigate clear guidelines and constant changes has made planning for the return of students near enough impossible for school leaders, and their attempts to blame teachers for the issues has been despicable. That said it is not just in schools their incompetence is part of the problem, depending on the good will of employers to treat any workers that need to self isolate though not ill themselves is appalling negligence as it forces many people to ignore the government's own mandatory instructions or not get paid. Even statutory sick pay is at a pathetic level compared with better governed nations in Europe.
Back to the original thread though, if it does come down to a choice between schools and pubs then the welfare of children has to take priority over adults every time.
I'm not sure why it's a choice between the two when the Health Secretary has been very clear that locally introduced lockdowns have been in response to people failing to socially distance at home with friends and family. Pubs and restaurants haven't been a contributory factor.
 
It may come down to a choice because this governments priority is to fund Dominic Cummings mates then establish a working track and trace operation. Hand the money over, have to scrap the scheme, and then lose interest. Not for the first time in Boris Johnson's record of corruption either, garden bridge, island airport, Jennifer Arcuri and PPE contracts to confectioners all follow the same pattern.
 
Pubs v School....
Well if you want a drink then you can buy it from the supermarket or off licence ( or even try to brew it...good luck on that one) and have it at home.
if you want your kids educated you could of course try it at home...definitely good luck on that one...so no brainier as far as I’m concerned.

One caveat of course...not if our kids are being educated by a certain poster on here.
 
As Chris Whitty said, we are at the limit. We can't afford to open both, although I don't see why the pubs that are playing the game shouldn't open. Close the rest down until they learn the rules.

what does it mean “we can’t afford to open both”?

What have pubs got to do with schools opening?


“(CNN)More than 97,000 children in the US tested positive for coronavirus in the last two weeks of July, a new report says.
The report, published by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children's Hospital Association, said in those two weeks, there was a 40% increase in child cases across the states and cities that were studied.
The age range for children differed by state, with some defining children as only those up to age 14 and one state -- Alabama -- pushing the limit to 24.“
 
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