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What a dickheadThat you will never know for sure whatever you say
Not big enough to just admit you made a mistake.
Zero respect from me
What a dickheadThat you will never know for sure whatever you say
What a dickhead
Not big enough to just admit you made a mistake.
Zero respect from me
Thereβs no argument to lose. You jumped in with your size tens and youβre too much of a dick to just acknowledge you thought I meant something else.
Rule 1 on message board: lost argument so get personal and go on attack
Thereβs no argument to lose. You jumped in with your size tens and youβre too much of a dick to just acknowledge you thought I meant something else.
Never know what for sure?
You will never know for sure
Just read the thread back itβs very clear - especially to you as you have been arguing against it.Never know what for sure?
What a way to go through life. Jesus wept.That you will never know for sure whatever you say
Donβt worry about me Adams, I have a good life and am very happyWhat a way to go through life. Jesus wept.
All the data is dropping rapidly and the only argument seems to be that βwe donβt want to rush like last timeβ or βwe canβt make the same mistake againβ...That's my point and let's get it right lockdowns are meant to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed not offer a long term solution
The deaths are dropping rapidly and those stats are 2-3 weeks behind infection
If people aren't dying from the virus you must surely accept it's time to start lifting restrictions
If people aren't dying from the virus you must surely accept it's time to start lifting restrictions
There was clear evidence that the primary source in the build up to xmas was schools
I'm not spending time digging it out - Lost can look for it himself
With the lions share of transmission in school age children they canβt possibility justify schools all back in two weeks but no meet ups and shops staying closed for another six weeks
Thatβs good to hear, Iβll be happy again when normal life can resume & we donβt have nosey bastards who find purpose in life trying to micro-manage everyone else and point how dangerous or life threatening they are by stopping off at their friends house or talking to someone in a park & it being βpacked outβ (even though said person is in the same park).Donβt worry about me Adams, I have a good life and am very happy
I get it, lockdown is tough.Thatβs good to hear, Iβll be happy again when normal life can resume & we donβt have nosey bastards who find purpose in life trying to micro-manage everyone else and point how dangerous or life threatening they are by stopping off at their friends house or talking to someone in a park & it being βpacked outβ (even though said person is in the same park).
OK, despite how pathetic and childishly you are behaving, Iβll humour you.Just read the thread back itβs very clear - especially to you as you have been arguing against it.
I then replied that would be unlikely and I let you know that I had had very limited human contact. Obviously as Iβm sure you know, the virus transmits by coming into contact with other people.I wonder if you had it and had no symptoms, but managed to pass it on to someone who died??
We will never know
...but we will never know
They could have passed it on after getting from you without knowing it and so on....
We can go on all day, but you will never know whatever you say
No need to humour meOK, despite how pathetic and childishly you are behaving, Iβll humour you.
Firstly you said
I then replied that would be unlikely and I let you know that I had had very limited human contact. Obviously as Iβm sure you know, the virus transmits by coming into contact with other people.
You then said
And I replied that I would know, because none of the people I had been in contact with had died.
And none of them have..
Of course itβs possibly that a small number of people who may have caught the virus off me may have them gone on to pass it on to someone else and so on, but that wouldnβt be me having passed it on to someone who died, that would be βthemβ passing it on to someone who died...
In that case I would have passed it on to someone who passed it on to someone else.
You then decided to childishly continue to pursue the Playground themed discussion with.
To which I confirmed they could, but they havenβt and I corrected your misunderstanding about my initial statement.
Of course someone catching non-symptomatic Covid off me is not the same as them dying, which was what you said in your first bungled attempt to accuse me of putting people at risk through my actions.
As it happens I havenβt been in close enough contact with anyone or in an environment where transmission is a risk and therefore either catching Covid or transmitting Covid would be highly unlikely.
Then obviously we just developer into βI know you are I said you are, but what am Iβ territory with you just repeating ever increasing circles that I might have passed it on to someone who passed it on to someone who passed it on ad infinitum, in order to somehow reinforce a point that was never really intended to be the point in the first place (as I pointed out to you mid-discussion).
If however you were simply, although very clumsily, pointing out that I may have somehow been unintentionally and unknowingly involved in the transmission of Covid... Then yes, of course that remote possibility exists... However the risk of that situation has been diminished and not increased by my choice to ignore Government Advice.
OK - You are a bit thickNo need to humour me
Put simply and again - YOU will never know
So you are back to Rule 1OK - You are a bit thick
As ever itβs a balance, and I am glad I am not making the decision.The issue is do we risk a spike in transmission by unlocking too early thus running the risk of further mutations that the current vaccines aren't effective against or do we stick it out until case rates are really low?
Well you clearly cannot comprehend basic English.So you are back to Rule 1
He definitely needs to be careful. If we end up in yet another lockdown of this magnitude, I think he's finished.As ever itβs a balance, and I am glad I am not making the decision.
I would probably go for - once the over 50s and the existing conditions have had one vaccine dose, and the over 70s have had both - I would then open up three weeks after the above had happened.
Go back and read the thread.Well you clearly cannot comprehend basic English.
Clearly I can know, because the death of an individual is a matter of fact and had someone I have had contact with died, then they wouldnβt be here any more.
I think he may be already - I expect him to be thrown under the campaign bus once this is over!He definitely needs to be careful. If we end up in yet another lockdown of this magnitude, I think he's finished.
If you want an adult discussion then define what I will never know, because youβve shifted the goalposts several times in the thread.Go back and read the thread.
You will never know as I have already explained
Schools are shut, so who knows.Is anyone disputing that?
The question is surely about the speed that restrictions are lifted and, since the government appears to intend to lift restrictions cautiously you appear to have reversed your earlier position simply for the sake of criticising them.
Ahhhhh........... half remembered, half understood stories from the press, the bedrock of any factual or science based discussion.
In any event this:
Is a statement about the situation today, not the situation 3 months ago.
Never moved them once.If you want an adult discussion then define what I will never know, because youβve shifted the goalposts several times in the thread.
You moved them twice at least.Never moved them once.
The fact is simple - you will never know.
....oh and you got personal which I think is out of order, which by the way just made me
Like I said... No courage...You will never know
You keep suggesting that my observations lack objectivity but with respect the criticisms I have made have generally proven well-foundedIs anyone disputing that?
The question is surely about the speed that restrictions are lifted and, since the government appears to intend to lift restrictions cautiously you appear to have reversed your earlier position simply for the sake of criticising them.
Ahhhhh........... half remembered, half understood stories from the press, the bedrock of any factual or science based discussion.
In any event this:
Is a statement about the situation today, not the situation 3 months ago.
In fairness TAM, it doesnβt take a rocket scientist to come identify that increased levels of lockdown will reduce transmission. To that extent, itβs easy (when levels are rising) to say βIf we shut things down that will stopβ or βIf we donβt have Christmas it might transmissionβ etc... Then subsequently sit back and proclaim that because levels increase, you were proved right.You keep suggesting that my observations lack objectivity but with respect the criticisms I have made have generally proven well-founded
Take for instance my concerns over not putting London into tier 3 early enough, closing schools pre-xmas, the proposed xmas relaxation
I wouldn't care but I'm not even a Labour supporter - probably voted Tory more often than not
It's perfectly logical to question why people can't meet up in small groups when schools ( which were the super-spreaders pre-xmas ) are being made ready to return
You on the other hand seem to to support each and every decision when the truth is bar the vaccine rollout ( which was delegated to the private sector ) the majority have been too little too late
Let's not fuck it up because some hard-line backbenchers are worried about their incomes.
R was 1 or less in Nov if the schools were open then. Similar R to now.The reason for that was that the schools were open and everthing else wasn't, especially in November.
The comment I was replying to stated that to be the case now, with the schools closed, when the evidence appears to demonstrate otherwise.
I know they're not. It was a cheap shot. Smiles.I don't think they are the only ones worrying about their incomes.
The tourist and hospitality industries are in mortal danger. That's a big issue for Blackpool too.
We need to unlock and get on with life now the high risk groups are vaccinated.
I agree with this, although Iβm not entirely sure about how the mutated virus evolves, youβd have to think that the more virus knocking about, the more risk of mutation.I know they're not. It was a cheap shot. Smiles.
You're rushing to open up with cases still in low five figures completely ignoring how much of a spike this will cause. The more virus circulating the greater the risk of a mutated version that laughs at the current vaccine. Then we're back to square 1. For the sake of a couple more months.
Like most infectious diseases it affects the poor, living in crowded conditions. We have a huge burden of ill health in the UK and a high population density over much of the country. No wonder we've been hit so hard.When it is peer reviewed with evidence I will take it seriously pulling up any old report doesnβt cut it to be fair.
It was also published about a year ago and we have learnt a lot more since then, like itβs not the weather itself, itβs whether you are in or outside.
Regarding cases in Singapore, the vast majority were in the workers dorms which spread like wild fire - the government locked the dorms down and stopped it spreading outside that part of the population.
They built quarantine centres to put the workers in while testing and isolating the infected.
Itβs that word βquarantineβ again - when you know where it is or could be - you lock down quickly and enforce.
The death toll stayed very low (currently 29 - thatβs not thousand by the way) mainly because the workers tended to be younger and fitter than most.
To the majority of pupils but we are experiencing many more pupils in school through keyworker provision and vulnerability than last March. Some Junior schools are reporting up to and in some cases more than 50% of kids still attending. Latest figures suggests that one of the group's with the most cases are young kids still fueling community transmission. Is it coincidence?Schools are shut, so who knows.
I'm not suggesting I am some sort of guru - it was that Lost was calling me out as agenda driven over those calls as well - when is was bloody obvious what a shitstorm was brewingIn fairness TAM, it doesnβt take a rocket scientist to come identify that increased levels of lockdown will reduce transmission. To that extent, itβs easy (when levels are rising) to say βIf we shut things down that will stopβ or βIf we donβt have Christmas it might transmissionβ etc... Then subsequently sit back and proclaim that because levels increase, you were proved right.
However, that approach assumes an alternative and perfect outcome based on your suggestions and takes no account at all of other conflicting problems. In the case of Labour, they have relied on that as a tactic to try and undermine Government, knowing they essentially canβt lose.
The Government havenβt (with hindsight) always got it right, but I think itβs important to acknowledge that they are not making Covid decisions in a vacuum.
As it happens, in this instance I probably support a more cautious approach.
No I realise that mate.I'm not suggesting I am some sort of guru - it was that Lost was calling me out as agenda driven over those calls as well - when is was bloody obvious what a shitstorm was brewing
The difference is now that we have 18m vaccinated inc a majority of the most vulnerable and that will likely increase to at least 25m by 8/3
Or it might mutate more quickly into a common cold. Viruses don't really want to kill people.The issue is do we risk a spike in transmission by unlocking too early thus running the risk of further mutations that the current vaccines aren't effective against or do we stick it out until case rates are really low?
Why are you two trying to deflect from a discussion about removing lockdown?If you want an adult discussion then define what I will never know, because youβve shifted the goalposts several times in the thread.
That discussion is over and done with....For some reason, S1 chose to pull me up about a comment I made.Why are you two trying to deflect from a discussion about removing lockdown?
Children are far better spreaders of influenza than they are of covid-19. We don't keep schools closed because of that. We vaccinate those at riskYou keep suggesting that my observations lack objectivity but with respect the criticisms I have made have generally proven well-founded
Take for instance my concerns over not putting London into tier 3 early enough, closing schools pre-xmas, the proposed xmas relaxation
I wouldn't care but I'm not even a Labour supporter - probably voted Tory more often than not
It's perfectly logical to question why people can't meet up in small groups when schools ( which were the super-spreaders pre-xmas ) are being made ready to return
You on the other hand seem to to support each and every decision when the truth is bar the vaccine rollout ( which was delegated to the private sector ) the majority have been too little too late
We were not - we were discussing a point that came upWhy are you two trying to deflect from a discussion about removing lockdown?
It may mutate to become more benign. That's also been predicted.I know they're not. It was a cheap shot. Smiles.
You're rushing to open up with cases still in low five figures completely ignoring how much of a spike this will cause. The more virus circulating the greater the risk of a mutated version that laughs at the current vaccine. Then we're back to square 1. For the sake of a couple more months.
Which is a distinct possibility in IndiaIt may mutate to become more benign. That's also been predicted.
Because I've only just read it.That discussion is over and done with....For some reason, S1 chose to pull me up about a comment I made.
Why are you dredging it up again unnecessarily?
18M received 1st dose by the way - we arenβt fully vaccinated yet bar @600,000 or so (as of 19/02)I'm not suggesting I am some sort of guru - it was that Lost was calling me out as agenda driven over those calls as well - when is was bloody obvious what a shitstorm was brewing
The difference is now that we have 18m vaccinated inc a majority of the most vulnerable and that will likely increase to at least 25m by 8/3