'Taking the Knee'

Tangojoe said:
Racism bad? tick

Showing support for anti-racism good? tick

Spilling tears for young black athletes earning £300k a week and worrying about whether their Lamborghini is better than their team mate's or spilling tears over the fact that the planet is disintegrating, North America is burning up and thousands are drowning because Central Europe is under water?

Hmmm tough that last one.
Click to expand...
I think it’s possible to stand against racial abuse of football players and be concerned about climate change at the same time…. 👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think it’s possible to stand against racial abuse of football players and be concerned about climate change at the same time…. 👍
Click to expand...

Good edit BFC.

And indeed you are right. It's just that there are degrees of concern and I think that the wellbeing of wealthy young healthy footballers being insulted on social media is waay down my list of things to be concerned about.
 
Tangojoe said:
Good edit BFC.

And indeed you are right. It's just that there are degrees of concern and I think that the wellbeing of wealthy young healthy footballers being insulted on social media is waay down my list of things to be concerned about.
Click to expand...
edit?
 
Matesrates said:
It’s as if only white people are racist, black and Asian people have them as well.
Click to expand...
That's all right then. I'm missing the bit when they forcibly took white people to the other side of the world in order to have labour for their farms at nil cost.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So why don’t they comply with the wishes of people who largely oppose the movement and change what has become a hugely effective slogan as well as an influential factor in driving positive social change?

Why should they? Why should a movement built on striving for an end to white supremacy bow to the will of white supremists?

Look so long as you are just going to dismiss social issues because you aren’t affected then you aren’t going to be able to move on in your own personal journey…. People have a right to stand up, engage in associations or collective movements and protest / demonstrate etc… It’s a protected right under article 10 and 11 of the human rights act…

I didn’t say I’d be “offended” by an instruction to take my wife’s name, I said I’d be up in arms about it.

Loom I don’t want to argue all day…At the end of the day (to my mind) these matters are as much about wrestling with your own self as much as anything else…They are tough and challenging concepts, especially for White Males… The world is evolving fast and social norms are being torn down….

To my mind, you can either embrace the situation and focus on undoing the brainwashed / indoctrinated individual that exists inside your head or you can continue to fight on what is essentially the morally indefensible side of this argument…
Click to expand...
White supremacists? So anyone who has an issue with BLM being the same gesture as whats being done is a white supremacist? Is that all people can do name call, pathetic. Go on just call me it for disagreeing.

Where have I dismissed that thre aren't some issues? I have said we do have a pretty damn fair society but still have some issues out there its certainly not the picture you on the loony left paint.

Ask yourself this question for all these clear racist, where was the backlash for kick it out or other messages? If it wasn't there ask yourself why.

Your absolutely right about taking the knee and BLM, it's made us all come together hasn't it, there's been no more arguing, just compete unity behind the no racism message as it should be....or not.
 
JJpool said:
White supremacists? So anyone who has an issue with BLM being the same gesture as whats being done is a white supremacist? Is that all people can do name call, pathetic. Go on just call me it for disagreeing.

Where have I dismissed that thre aren't some issues? I have said we do have a pretty damn fair society but still have some issues out there its certainly not the picture you on the loony left paint.

Ask yourself this question for all these clear racist, where was the backlash for kick it out or other messages? If it wasn't there ask yourself why.

Your absolutely right about taking the knee and BLM, it's made us all come together hasn't it, there's been no more arguing, just compete unity behind the no racism message as it should be....or not.
Click to expand...
What else could it be? You are white and appear to be of the belief that your own version of protest is superior to that chosen by Black People for themselves.... I'm not sure I could find a more obvious example of a white supremacist attitude if I tried, but carry on....
 
Seasider3610 said:
The “real racists” are disagreeing with an action that takes 2 seconds though aren’t they!

It’s a 2 second action response to racism in general society, it’s not political at all.

The racists are using “politics” as an excuse or reason that the players should not carry out this 2 second action 🙄
Click to expand...
If the players feel it makes them feel better then great, but it divides fans and so many fans you cant call them all racists although clearly you'll try.

Another throwing about the label without actually calling it directly.

I suppose black people who disagree with it are racist too are they?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What else could it be? You are white and appear to be of the belief that your own version of protest is superior to that chosen by Black People for themselves.... I'm not sure I could find a more obvious example of a white supremacist attitude if I tried, but carry on....
Click to expand...
Well I'm actually out in the sun getting a tan....

No I've said why people are unhappy about the obvious links between the organisation name and gesture. Yes they say its for their own reasons which is great and we know that, but fans around the UK will always see the link between BLM the political side and BLM the phrase.

I personally wish they did something different as it will always be marred by that link.

Its pretty simple stuff to comprehend.

I'd be much happier for them to do a message away from BLM the group, how is that in any way shape or form racist. Its a fair opinion.
 
Tangojoe said:
Racism bad? tick

Showing support for anti-racism good? tick

Spilling tears for young black athletes earning £300k a week and worrying about whether their Lamborghini is better than their team mate's or spilling tears over the fact that the planet is disintegrating, North America is burning up and thousands are drowning because Central Europe is under water?

Hmmm tough that last one.
Click to expand...
Perhaps you could remind all of us of the posts you have made supporting the peaceful non violent climate change protests by groups such as extinction rebellion as it is of such importance to you.
 
JJpool said:
Well I'm actually out in the sun getting a tan....

No I've said why people are unhappy about the obvious links between the organisation name and gesture. Yes they say its for their own reasons which is great and we know that, but fans around the UK will always see the link between BLM the political side and BLM the phrase.

I personally wish they did something different as it will always be marred by that link.

Its pretty simple stuff to comprehend.

I'd be much happier for them to do a message away from BLM the group, how is that in any way shape or form racist. Its a fair opinion.
Click to expand...
I'll be straight with you... I've played that same argument over in my own head and I get you...Change the name, change the symbol, simple...

But it's not simple ... It's not simple at all and nor is the problem... It's deep rooted and entrenched... Just like 'patriachy' and it has influence in every aspect of our lives.

The fact is that changing the name won't change the attitudes of those who refuse to stand up against racism... They'll find another excuse you see (see my other thread)...

Plus it is for those who face the problems to choose how they should challenge the issues that they face and not for us to dicate...

I think you also have to consider whether drawing people out and forcing them to wrestle with some of these very challenging concepts actually has a very important role to play in how we will eventually resolve these issues....It's not supposed to be 'palatable'...
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'll be straight with you... I've played that same argument over in my own head and I get you...Change the name, change the symbol, simple...

But it's not simple ... It's not simple at all and nor is the problem... It's deep rooted and entrenched... Just like 'patriachy' and it has influence in every aspect of our lives.

The fact is that changing the name won't change the attitudes of those who refuse to stand up against racism... They'll find another excuse you see (see my other thread)...

Plus it is for those who face the problems to choose how they should challenge the issues that they face and not for us to dicate...

I think you also have to consider whether drawing people out and forcing them to wrestle with some of these very challenging concepts actually has a very important role to play in how we will eventually resolve these issues....It's not supposed to be 'palatable'...
Click to expand...
Then if it changes back to kick it out its obvoius who disagrees with that is a nut job.

If anything thats the way to expose them.

Not this tangled political affiliated gesture which is obviously divisive and as shown in the video above, some black people, the people you claim to defend, can see its divisive and would be better as different campaign.
 
JJpool said:
Then if it changes back to kick it out its obvoius who disagrees with that is a nut job.

If anything thats the way to expose them.

Not this tangled political affiliated gesture which is obviously divisive and as shown in the video above, some black people, the people you claim to defend, can see its divisive and would be better as different campaign.
Click to expand...
I don’t claim to defend anyone, I’m just happy to let people decide for themselves and recognise their don’t have the solution.

I’m not entirely convinced though by your argument in any case.

“Some black people agree with me so I’m right” is hardly a solid argument. The mean that would always be the case regardless.

Also the arguments put forward in the video are also pretty weak and contrived too. Probably you could pop them down in the Excuses thread…

I can’t support the fight against racism because people who do are trying to enforce moral superiority over the rest of us!!!

Let’s face it, you could make the same argument against anyone taking a morally justifiable stance ….
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t claim to defend anyone, I’m just happy to let people decide for themselves and recognise their don’t have the solution.

I’m not entirely convinced though by your argument in any case.

“Some black people agree with me so I’m right” is hardly a solid argument. The mean that would always be the case regardless.

Also the arguments put forward in the video are also pretty weak and contrived too. Probably you could pop them down in the Excuses thread…

I can’t support the fight against racism because people who do are trying to enforce moral superiority over the rest of us!!!

Let’s face it, you could make the same argument against anyone taking a morally justifiable stance ….
Click to expand...
If it was racist to oppose taking the knee in any way then surely all black people would be behind it. The fact they can see it for what it is says a lot.

Again they say kick it out, completely non political was widely supported and would be again.

Can't see any genuine racists supporting kick it out as clealry they don't want to kick it out.

Calling me a racist or white supremacist when black people agree with me is as mad as me doing it the other way round to you. You disagree with those black people therfore... it would be ridiculous and I dont throw round serious claims with no evidence that can ruin peoples lives.

I think its disgusting.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I believe that racial hatred, however it is made manifest, is disgusting, anti-social and not to be tolerated in a civilised society.

That's all you need to say. I believe it. Now, feel free to 'like' this message if you agree with it.
Click to expand...
So, that's me and you so far JJpool. Thanks anyway for your support.
 
JJpool said:
If it was racist to oppose taking the knee in any way then surely all black people would be behind it. The fact they can see it for what it is says a lot.

Again they say kick it out, completely non political was widely supported and would be again.

Can't see any genuine racists supporting kick it out as clealry they don't want to kick it out.

Calling me a racist or white supremacist when black people agree with me is as mad as me doing it the other way round to you. You disagree with those black people therfore... it would be ridiculous and I dont throw round serious claims with no evidence that can ruin peoples lives.

I think its disgusting.
Click to expand...
I’m not sure I said it was racist, though I think it’s pretty questionable behaviour to boo an action that has been explicitly framed as a stance against racism.

I also kind of disagree with you on the Kick it Out campaign. It didn’t really challenge people or bring some of these issues to the fore… didn’t spark debate or discussion…. There wasn’t really anything to discuss tbh.

My intention in using the term White Supremacst wasn’t intended to offend you by the way. However it is clearly a term that gets our collective heckles up…

Like I’ve said before, you can embrace that and try to challenge your own perspective and get as it to consider how society might be viewed through a different lens or you can throw some shit back at me.
 
Wizaard said:
That's all right then. I'm missing the bit when they forcibly took white people to the other side of the world in order to have labour for their farms at nil cost.
Click to expand...
How far back do you want to go, this happened many times over centuries by various different countries, Gengis Khan, the Romans etc
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not sure I said it was racist, though I think it’s pretty questionable behaviour to boo an action that has been explicitly framed as a stance against racism.

I also kind of disagree with you on the Kick it Out campaign. It didn’t really challenge people or bring some of these issues to the fore… didn’t spark debate or discussion…. There wasn’t really anything to discuss tbh.

My intention in using the term White Supremacst wasn’t intended to offend you by the way. However it is clearly a term that gets our collective heckles up…

Like I’ve said before, you can embrace that and try to challenge your own perspective and get as it to consider how society might be viewed through a different lens or you can throw some shit back at me.
Click to expand...
You literally said you cant see a better example of a white supremacist for me saying how I see how its divisive and tangled with the blm namesake, which some black people can see and agree with and see how its not helped actually change much.

Some people don't like BLM the political side much, which is fair given what they have said, so a campaign of the same name, where taking the knee is the gesture will always be associated in some peoples minds.

Look at the debates no matter the forum and you see the same arguments.
 
catinstalbans said:
Perhaps you could remind all of us of the posts you have made supporting the peaceful non violent climate change protests by groups such as extinction rebellion as it is of such importance to you.
Click to expand...

How about I just remind you of the environmental protection work I volunteer for while the extinction rebellion louts are blocking town centres and smashing bank windows.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not sure I said it was racist, though I think it’s pretty questionable behaviour to boo an action that has been explicitly framed as a stance against racism.

I also kind of disagree with you on the Kick it Out campaign. It didn’t really challenge people or bring some of these issues to the fore… didn’t spark debate or discussion…. There wasn’t really anything to discuss tbh.

My intention in using the term White Supremacst wasn’t intended to offend you by the way. However it is clearly a term that gets our collective heckles up…

Like I’ve said before, you can embrace that and try to challenge your own perspective and get as it to consider how society might be viewed through a different lens or you can throw some shit back at me.
Click to expand...
I read your posts x3 and I'm pretty sure about your sincerity. On this occasion I think you might be over-thinking things somewhat. A lot of racism in this country is casual, lazy. That's bad, of course, and people need to either get an education or be more selective in how they frame things. However, with the majority you might be over-thinking their intellectual capacity for being white supremacists.
Apols if I'm wrong btw.
 
Last edited:
JJpool said:
You literally said you cant see a better example of a white supremacist for me saying how I see how its divisive and tangled with the blm namesake, which some black people can see and agree with and see how its not helped actually change much.

Some people don't like BLM the political side much, which is fair given what they have said, so a campaign of the same name, where taking the knee is the gesture will always be associated in some peoples minds.

Look at the debates no matter the forum and you see the same arguments.
Click to expand...
Yes I did ‘literally, say that you wouldn’t find a better example of white supremacy than a white man trying to tell a black person their chosen form of protest is not suitable.

I’m not sure that your ability to scour the right wing propaganda sites to find a black person who has expressed a similar opinion really serves to do much other than reinforce my point really. It’s literally what we’ve been doing for centuries!!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Yes I did ‘literally, say that you wouldn’t find a better example of white supremacy than a white man trying to tell a black person their chosen form of protest is not suitable.

I’m not sure that your ability to scour the right wing propaganda sites to find a black person who has expressed a similar opinion really serves to do much other than reinforce my point really. It’s literally what we’ve been doing for centuries!!
Click to expand...
But its not just me as mentioned black people from the right and centre agree.

Which tells you its more a right vs left thing.

I'm not saying they can't do it im saying it would have more universal support without the links to blm and that its factually divisive. But I can't see people changing their views when does that ever happen, people stay entrenched.

I think it was 39% against taking the knee in some poll i saw, that many people aren't white supremacists etc.

I think gb news has been pretty fair across the board so far, id say that was centre politics but weve gone so far left I the UK its no surprise its classed as right wing or far right.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I read your posts x3 and I'm pretty sure about your sincrity. On this occasion I think you might be over-thinking things somewhat. A lot of racism in this country is casual, lazy. That's bad, of course, and people need to either get an education or be more selective in how they frame things. However, with the majority you might be over-thinking their intellectual capacity for being white supremacists.
Apols if I'm wrong btw.
Click to expand...
1966, I’m speaking more about the kind of underlying deep rooted unconscious presumed superiority.

It’s in built, because society has ingrained it into us… So much so that it’s been an accepted norm for both parties…

I get it… people aren’t adopting an intended ideological stance, but I think it just goes to show how endemic this is…

Do I think JJ is a white supremacist? No that would be ridiculous….Though I do think the presumption that we might “have a better idea about how to challenge these issues and here’s a black person who agrees with us to prove it” is a part of that in built and presumed ‘supremacy’.

So we have this situation where it’s kind of not an issue unless we make it an issue, but in failing to address the issue we go on accepting a situation which we know is fundamentally wrong….Where society, has literally thousands of small and seemingly insignificant biases both race and gender related.

When anyone challenges the status quo then it results in the typical response…. “I thought everything was fine and racism was solved, so why are you bringing up silly things like plasters and skin disease…. It’s all a bit unnecessary and divisive, please stop making me uncomfortable “

So where do we go?

“Yes, you can have your rights, but it’s got to be on our terms” ?
 
Last edited:
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
1966, I’m speaking more about the kind of underlying deep rooted unconscious presumed superiority.

It’s in built, because society has ingrained it into us… So much so that it’s been an accepted norm for both parties…

I get it… people aren’t adopting an intended ideological stance, but I think it just goes to show how endemic this is…

Do I think JJ is a white supremacist? No that would be ridiculous….Though I do think the presumption that we might “have a better idea about how to challenge these issues and here’s a black person who agrees with us to prove it” is a part of that in built and presumed ‘supremacy’.

So we have this situation where it’s not an issue unless we make it an issue, but failure no to address the issue we go on accepting a situation which we know is fundamentally wrong….Where society, has literally thousands of small and seemingly insignificant biases both race and gender related.

When anyone challehesresults in the typical response…. “I thought everything was fine and racism was solved, so why are you bringing up silly things like plasters and skin disease…. It’s all a bit unnecessary and divisive”

So where do we go?

“Yes, you can have your rights, but it’s got to be on our terms”
Click to expand...
We're not clear of that by a long chalk but we have made progress. Nowadays it's the norm, if someone shouts a racist comment at Bloomfield Road (a rarity), other fans will comment negatively about it. Our teenage fans who do the chants, they don't do racist stuff. Mostly, a lot of this had changed.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Though I do think the presumption that we might “have a better idea about how to challenge these issues and here’s a black person who agrees with us to prove it” is a part of that in built and presumed ‘supremacy’.
Click to expand...

The reason I got that footage was because when accused of being a white supremacist it would be strange to have any black people at all agreeing with me, which seems to rule out that ridiculous accusation.

Yes there's black people on both sides, which tells us this issue isant as simple as being made out and rightly or wrongly becomes left vs right at times and you could say..... isn't black and white.......
 
1966_and_all_that said:
We're not clear of that by a long chalk but we have made progress. Nowadays it's the norm, if someone shouts a racist comment at Bloomfield Road (a rarity), other fans will comment negatively about it. Our teenage fans who do the chants, they don't do racist stuff. Mostly, a lot of this had changed.
Click to expand...
Oh god yes absolutely, we’ve pretty much stopped the overt public abuse of people who happen to be a different colour… So we can slap ourselves on the back for acting in a remotely civilised and reasonable way towards our fellow human beings👍😂
 
JJpool said:
The reason I got that footage was because when accused of being a white supremacist it would be strange to have any black people at all agreeing with me, which seems to rule out that ridiculous accusation.

Yes there's black people on both sides, which tells us this issue isant as simple as being made out and rightly or wrongly becomes left vs right at times and you could say..... isn't black and white.......
Click to expand...
JJ I wouldn't worry about it.... The 'movement' will be ground into submission and normal service will be resumed in due course.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Does it matter?

It will soon be over and we can go back to tokenism, because at least that doesn't offend anyones sensibilities.

Job Done 👍
Click to expand...
Just seeing if you knew which.

Yeah because this campaign has achieved so much so far, we're all united, job done, campaign successful.

No problem continuing the conversation but the message is losing any effectiveness it had and just becoming something that's done, thats why Zaha stopped doing it.
 
JJpool said:
Just seeing if you knew which.

Yeah because this campaign has achieved so much so far, we're all united, job done, campaign successful.

No problem continuing the conversation but the message is losing any effectiveness it had and just becoming something that's done, thats why Zaha stopped doing it.
Click to expand...
You seem to be under the impression that there's some kind of requirement for us to be 'united' ? Is that another one of your rules?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You seem to be under the impression that there's some kind of requirement for us to be 'united' ? Is that another one of your rules?
Click to expand...
Is this another one of your silly questions?

Of course we should be united behind a proper anti racism movement. Sadly the blm one has proven it couldn't keep the message just about blm but had to stray into other areas, which is why many never accepted this one from the start and are unlikely to change if we know how people work.
 
JJpool said:
Is this another one of your silly questions?

Of course we should be united behind a proper anti racism movement. Sadly the blm one has proven it couldn't keep the message just about blm but had to stray into other areas, which is why many never accepted this one from the start and are unlikely to change if we know how people work.
Click to expand...
Why is being 'united' necessary.... Have you never heard the expression that you need to crack a few eggs to make an omelette..... We ain't going to deal with this issue without some serious upheaval JJ.. And I'm not convinced that you are supposed to 'accept' the situation so much as be exposed or challenged by it.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Why is being 'united' necessary.... Have you never heard the expression that you need to crack a few eggs to make an omelette..... We ain't going to deal with this issue without some serious upheaval JJ.. And I'm not convinced that you are supposed to 'accept' the situation so much as be exposed or challenged by it.
Click to expand...
I dont think well ever get stop people noticing differences, fat, thin, ginger etc. Its always happened and is probably human nature. A white man moves into a villiage in Africa and he stands out.

Of course people shouldn't be treated differently but your never going to change a racists deep held views imo.

Well maybe some might adapt a bit, but most will hold them for life like lots of old people id imagine, its what world they grew up in.

The passage of time and new generations being educated and integrated at a young age will stop it, youd hope.

But the rise of the internet brought a new age on anonymity to it all.

So its upto the authorities to clamp down on it and if course people to call it out when they see it.

One area we have gone to far in this country in our fear of seeming racist, so we step on eggshells.

Like the Muslim grooming gangs allowed to continue in Rotherham and the fear of seemingly racist that allowed it to continue all those years.
 
JJpool said:
I dont think well ever get stop people noticing differences, fat, thin, ginger etc. Its always happened and is probably human nature. A white man moves into a villiage in Africa and he stands out.

Of course people shouldn't be treated differently but your never going to change a racists deep held views imo.

Well maybe some might adapt a bit, but most will hold them for life like lots of old people id imagine, its what world they grew up in.

The passage of time and new generations being educated and integrated at a young age will stop it, youd hope.

But the rise of the internet brought a new age on anonymity to it all.

So its upto the authorities to clamp down on it and if course people to call it out when they see it.

One area we have gone to far in this country in our fear of seeming racist, so we step on eggshells.

Like the Muslim grooming gangs allowed to continue in Rotherham and the fear of seemingly racist that allowed it to continue all those years.
Click to expand...
More excuses to justify racist attitudes
 
Tangojoe said:
Just as I predicted. 250 more posts on this boring, pointless subject and nothing has changed. Same accusations from the same posters. Glad I abstained from commenting.
Click to expand...

Tango

You are a wise man.

I predicted exactly what would happen - I know that didn't make me Nostradamus - on the very first page of this thread with the intention of not getting involved as you were clever enough to do.

I was daft enough to get involved and then face the usual silly accusations of racism.

There's another thread on the go on excuses for not standing up in the fight against racism as if it's the only thing that people should be ever be bothered about.

I think those that just aren't racist are doing their bit and if everybody was like them we wouldn't have a problem.
 
Plumbs said:
Nearly there.A tremendous innings from an AVFTT veteran who hasnt really swung the bat much in his career.
Click to expand...

I did call for some appreciation of the great mans knock when he went past 200 but there has been nothing before now.

All he needs to do now is get BFC x 3 back on the thread and Brian Lara's 501 will be in trouble.
 
catinstalbans said:
More excuses to justify racist attitudes
Click to expand...
Another idiotic response with an accusation.

How on earth am I justifying anything, go on how many peoples opinions have you managed to change ON HERE about simple stuff, you really thinnk you can change a true racist mind by talking to them?

We've already seen generations that grow up mixing as a norm are much more tolerant.

Basic common sense.

You think you can change 50 yearr old baz from east London views.

Sorry your living in a dream world.

Now if the police clamp down on it when they surface you can reduce them.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Tango

You are a wise man.

I predicted exactly what would happen - I know that didn't make me Nostradamus - on the very first page of this thread with the intention of not getting involved as you were clever enough to do.

I was daft enough to get involved and then face the usual silly accusations of racism.

There's another thread on the go on excuses for not standing up in the fight against racism as if it's the only thing that people should be ever be bothered about.

I think those that just aren't racist are doing their bit and if everybody was like them we wouldn't have a problem.
Click to expand...
I thought you'd appreciate the 'excuses' thread... I should have credited the George Floyd excuse to you🤓
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I thought you'd appreciate the 'excuses' thread... I should have credited the George Floyd excuse to you🤓
Click to expand...

Come on x3, you introduced George Floyd to the thread and you know it.

On a more serious note, I don't need any excuse, I just think the problem with racism and with racism in football has been blown out of proportion.

I find racism as abhorrent as you and just happen to disagree on the level of the problem and on the methods of addressing any problems.

You can spin anything I have or haven't said as you like - and the moderator has given you freedom to do so - but it doesn't change anything, I am not racist.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Come on x3, you introduced George Floyd to the thread and you know it.

On a more serious note, I don't need any excuse, I just think the problem with racism and with racism in football has been blown out of proportion.

I find racism as abhorrent as you and just happen to disagree on the level of the problem and on the methods of addressing any problems.

You can spin anything I have or haven't said as you like - and the moderator has given you freedom to do so - but it doesn't change anything, I am not racist.
Click to expand...
It's righteousness that's on my side 2020, rather than the moderator....

You can pop that one down on the excuses thread though if you want?

"I can't stand up against racism, because it's been blown out of proportion"
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's righteousness that's on my side 2020, rather than the moderator....

You can pop that one down on the excuses thread though if you want?

"I can't stand up against racism, because it's been blown out of proportion"
Click to expand...

BFC x 3

You have misquoted me again.

You continually spin things to try and justify your ridiculous and frivolous accusations of racism, the only thing I admire about your campaign is your determination but I do find it rather strange why somebody who is so concerned about the fight against racism would concentrate so much of his efforts on trying to belittle somebody who finds racism as abhorrent as himself.

I think we could both make better use of our time.

Not for me to tell you exactly what to do but I'm not getting involved with the usual nonsense tonight and I'm going to be cleaning my eyeballs with a corkscrew.

Have a good night but I'm out.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
BFC x 3

You have misquoted me again.

You continually spin things to try and justify your ridiculous and frivolous accusations of racism, the only thing I admire about your campaign is your determination but I do find it rather strange why somebody who is so concerned about the fight against racism would concentrate so much of his efforts on trying to belittle somebody who finds racism as abhorrent as himself.

I think we could both make better use of our time.

Not for me to tell you exactly what to do but I'm not getting involved with the usual nonsense tonight and I'm going to be cleaning my eyeballs with a corkscrew.

Have a good night but I'm out.
Click to expand...
Have a good night in 2020....

It's not my campaign, but I'm glad you're finally coming around to my way of thinking 👍
 
JJpool said:
So in a dramatic twist, me and @SEASIDE2020 the very people accused of such things for having a view on why its not the best gesture etc, are the very ones who in a show of support, by taking the thumb....up..... are the only ones to support the statement.

Crazy world.
Click to expand...
In fairness, I just viewed it as a cynical attempt to increase his reaction score and refused to comply.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top