Swansea away next month - covid passport required ?

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ansdellmafia

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Looking at the Welsh covid rules that came into force today, it certainly seems that either a covid passport or negative test result will be required . Any sporting event with more than 10,000 seems to be the criteria .
 
Not really any hassle to show the passport on the phone. Had to a couple of weeks ago for a Genesis concert.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Bit early to be so angry. So what’s “totally” the reason for it then?
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The reason is they're doing as much as they can to limit the spread of covid whilst trying to open facilities and regain and maintain normality.

I think it's stupid, don't get me wrong, because a lateral flow test you can just add a drop of tap water and it will read negative.

But what else can they do to inhibit the spread and damage of the virus?
 
SwannDangerous said:
The reason is they're doing as much as they can to limit the spread of covid whilst trying to open facilities and regain and maintain normality.

I think it's stupid, don't get me wrong, because a lateral flow test you can just add a drop of tap water and it will read negative.

But what else can they do to inhibit the spread and damage of the virus?
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I think we’ve done everything we can now and people just need to evaluate their own risks themselves.

A vaccine passport or showing a QR code just means you’ve had two vaccines but doesn’t stop you catching or spreading the virus. Completely pointless & detriment to businesses, it’s also a dangerous precedent.
 
Used the App for the first time at weekend to get into a concert utter nonsense I could have done a screenshot of anyones as the venue had no technology to read it.
You just got a meathead looking at your phone my wife's screen had gone off and we just wandererd in. 😁

As to the Flow test the latest rue by school kids is sticking it in a bottle of Fruit Shoot bingo comes out positive, time of school hooray. 😂
 
SwannDangerous said:
The reason is they're doing as much as they can to limit the spread of covid whilst trying to open facilities and regain and maintain normality.

I think it's stupid, don't get me wrong, because a lateral flow test you can just add a drop of tap water and it will read negative.

But what else can they do to inhibit the spread and damage of the virus?
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Well none of this nonsense is happening in England at football matches so the answer to your question is nothing!!
 
This nonsense should work both ways, if they want to inflict their pathetic Welsh rules on folk then why don’t they bugger off to the heady hights of the Welsh premier league👍🏻
partake in the EFL should mean abiding by rules that are in place in England.
 
Rory the tiger said:
This nonsense should work both ways, if they want to inflict their pathetic Welsh rules on folk then why don’t they bugger off to the heady hights of the Welsh premier league👍🏻
partake in the EFL should mean abiding by rules that are in place in England.
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But the Welsh teams are in Wales? It's got nothing to do with EFL.

I would be annoyed if they were still doing all this bollocks in England, but it's in WALES, and I'm pretty sure a lot of Welsh people are in favour of the regs still.
 
I used it the on Monday night to gain entry to a concert no big deal. Although i was surprised that they didn't scan it and just looked at it it was dark and I'm sure they couldn't see the date to see if it was still valid.
 
Wizaard said:
Just uploaded the app. Doesn't take two minutes and currently valid until mid November.
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As long as your phone has fingerprint recognition on otherwise as my wife found out you have to upload Photo ID and a video of you saying 4 numbers they send you and it took the next morning(can take up to 24hrs) to come through.

So don't leave it until matchday!
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I've just come back from a few days in Wales, most still wearing masks in shops etc..they don't appear to see it as a threat to their masculinity or 'human rights'.
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We were in Scotland a couple of weeks ago . Shops , no mask no entry , still compulsory in bars , cafes etc and waiter service only . In fact some places brought our food to a drop off point for us to pick up. Still very strict in Galloway.
 
I was in France and Germany recently and you cannot get into any establishment like bar, restaurant, museum etc without showing your vaccine certificate. No big deal. I didn't feel like my human rights had been violated.
 
Have to say it's all a bit daft now.

I've supported some measures and had my jabs, but papers please is getting silly. Especially when places don't even have the manpower or skills to check if its legitimate or a screenshot or whatever.

Especially when you can still have the virus, so creates a false sense of security.

Tests are more likely to give an accurate picture of who has it on the day.

I think now the vast majority are jabbed it should be personal responsibility.

I still see the odd masked person all alone in a car or walking down an empty street nowhere near anyone. Completely pointless. Probably the same people who were panicked by the media into buying petrol ASAP.

Yes it's not hard to show the proof, but if there's a big flu outbreak this winter will they require flu papers? When will this end as covid will never go away... Will it be used for other things?

I've stopped testing as much for now, still do the odd one, but am not testing before the pne match, no way I'm missing it for some potential test to tell me I'm ill, if I'm not feeling anything.
 
I did see quite a funny video that came up on FB, but found it on YouTube. Not every bit relevant to the UK but still, made me chuckle.

 
This is all a game of probabilities. The vaccine doesn't "prevent" infection the sense of making it impossible, what it does is reduce the probability of infection, as well as the seriousness of the symptoms and amount of viral shedding. So, a vaccinated person is 1) less likely to get infected, 2) less likely to fall ill if infected, and 3) less likely to pass it to someone else if infected.

Note, "less likely". Vaccinated people can still get infected and get sick and infect others. But if you're working for the public health authority and you want to minimize harm caused by the virus, then you're in the business of reducing probabilities of infection and illness and transmission.

(Ditto for masks, and for all the other vaccines we get that very few people complain about, and for making everyone get out of the swimming pool if there's shit it in, and for not re-using intravenous needles, and for laws prohibiting drunk driving, etc. We not *preventing* bad things from happening, we're simply making them less likely)
 
Everybody has their own particular stance on these things, one thing I would like to ask a few people though…

After being double vaccinated, then having a booster, wanting people to show a passport to get into places, still wearing masks after having had your vaccines etc.

At point do you go back to normal? When do you decide to sack the masks off and carry on as we always have pre March 2020 and accept the virus is here to stay and the recovery rate of +99% and your double vaccination protects you and you won’t need to show a pass to get into places?

Or do you not do that now and this is you ?
 
coloradoan said:
This is all a game of probabilities. The vaccine doesn't "prevent" infection the sense of making it impossible, what it does is reduce the probability of infection, as well as the seriousness of the symptoms and amount of viral shedding. So, a vaccinated person is 1) less likely to get infected, 2) less likely to fall ill if infected, and 3) less likely to pass it to someone else if infected.

Note, "less likely". Vaccinated people can still get infected and get sick and infect others. But if you're working for the public health authority and you want to minimize harm caused by the virus, then you're in the business of reducing probabilities of infection and illness and transmission.

(Ditto for masks, and for all the other vaccines we get that very few people complain about, and for making everyone get out of the swimming pool if there's shit it in, and for not re-using intravenous needles, and for laws prohibiting drunk driving, etc. We not *preventing* bad things from happening, we're simply making them less likely)
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Exactly this, it's a shame some people can't understand this!
 
JJpool said:
Have to say it's all a bit daft now.

I've supported some measures and had my jabs, but papers please is getting silly. Especially when places don't even have the manpower or skills to check if its legitimate or a screenshot or whatever.

Especially when you can still have the virus, so creates a false sense of security.

Tests are more likely to give an accurate picture of who has it on the day.

I think now the vast majority are jabbed it should be personal responsibility.

I still see the odd masked person all alone in a car or walking down an empty street nowhere near anyone. Completely pointless. Probably the same people who were panicked by the media into buying petrol ASAP.

Yes it's not hard to show the proof, but if there's a big flu outbreak this winter will they require flu papers? When will this end as covid will never go away... Will it be used for other things?

I've stopped testing as much for now, still do the odd one, but am not testing before the pne match, no way I'm missing it for some potential test to tell me I'm ill, if I'm not feeling anythiy
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Tests don't work if you've had the virus recently as the anti bodies will still be in the system, giving a false positive. The App takes account of your vaccination history and your positive test result and computes a 'safe' window from that. Seems fair enough to me.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Everybody has their own particular stance on these things, one thing I would like to ask a few people though…

After being double vaccinated, then having a booster, wanting people to show a passport to get into places, still wearing masks after having had your vaccines etc.

At point do you go back to normal? When do you decide to sack the masks off and carry on as we always have pre March 2020 and accept the virus is here to stay and the recovery rate of +99% and your double vaccination protects you and you won’t need to show a pass to get into places?

Or do you not do that now and this is you ?
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I've been double vaccinated but still tested positive last week after the Blackburn game. Spent the last 10 days in isolation but haven't needed to go to the doctor or hospital. I've presumably now got a boosted level of immunity from the chance of getting it again for a good while.

Who knows what would have happened if I wasn't jabbed? Not willing to take that risk and don't have an issue showing evidence of my level of immunity. Can't understand why anyone would have, to be honest.
 
Wizaard said:
I've been double vaccinated but still tested positive last week after the Blackburn game. Spent the last 10 days in isolation but haven't needed to go to the doctor or hospital. I've presumably now got a boosted level of immunity from the chance of getting it again for a good while.

Who knows what would have happened if I wasn't jabbed? Not willing to take that risk and don't have an issue showing evidence of my level of immunity. Can't understand why anyone would have, to be honest.
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Natural immunity from catching the virus isn’t being recognised or accepted though?

I now know quite a number of vaccinated people who have now had COVID. Every one of them pretty much expected, six months ago, that, by getting the vaccine, they were contributing to herd immunity. Now, just like you they’ve pivoted to “it makes symptoms less severe & god knows what would have happened if I didn’t have the vaccine” and seem to have no memory of believing otherwise. They’ve also erased the actual stats on the age categories of recovery rates from the virus, vaccinated or not.

Showing a vaccine passport does not prove you do not have the virus? So we shouldn’t have to do it.
 
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Wizaard said:
Tests don't work if you've had the virus recently as the anti bodies will still be in the system, giving a false positive. The App takes account of your vaccination history and your positive test result and computes a 'safe' window from that. Seems fair enough to me.
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So by this theory we need to stop testing?

You are now saying that the App is going to decide if you have Covid and provide a ‘safe window’? That’s utter nonsense.

A mass antibody test would solve almost all covid-related problems and would allow health resources to be used for the few remaining people who are still vulnerable, but they talk about Vaccine passes without acknowledging natural immunity, then you know it’s not about health and it’s not about science.
 
Adams Kebab said:
So by this theory we need to stop testing?

You are now saying that the App is going to decide if you have Covid and provide a ‘safe window’? That’s utter nonsense.

A mass antibody test would solve almost all covid-related problems and would allow health resources to be used for the few remaining people who are still vulnerable, but they talk about Vaccine passes without acknowledging natural immunity, then you know it’s not about health and it’s not about science.
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I'm saying if I do a LFT any time in the next three months, it's probably going to say I'm positive, even though I'm not.
 
This you might not be as ill gets me if your young and fit my mates had Covid twice and the second time after being double jabbed felt worse than the first.
 
poolseasider said:
This you might not be as ill gets me if your young and fit my mates had Covid twice and the second time after being double jabbed felt worse than the first.
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Same.

It blows my mind, there’s numerous reports, comments from Chris Whitty and co. but many people still believe despite all the data on the recovery rate and age categories that if you catch the virus it’s game over.

It's shameful what 18 months of non-stop fear porn has done to otherwise intelligent people.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Natural immunity from catching the virus isn’t being recognised or accepted though?

I now know quite a number of vaccinated people who have now had COVID. Every one of them pretty much expected, six months ago, that, by getting the vaccine, they were contributing to herd immunity. Now, just like you they’ve pivoted to “it makes symptoms less severe & god knows what would have happened if I didn’t have the vaccine” and seem to have no memory of believing otherwise. They’ve also erased the actual stats on the age categories of recovery rates from the virus, vaccinated or not.

Showing a vaccine passport does not prove you do not have the virus? So we shouldn’t have to do it.
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Hang on. There was always a risk of catching covid even after double jabbed. No one ever said it was 100%. The figure quoted was nearer to 60% from memory.

It's you who's rewriting history.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Everybody has their own particular stance on these things, one thing I would like to ask a few people though…

After being double vaccinated, then having a booster, wanting people to show a passport to get into places, still wearing masks after having had your vaccines etc.

At point do you go back to normal? When do you decide to sack the masks off and carry on as we always have pre March 2020 and accept the virus is here to stay and the recovery rate of +99% and your double vaccination protects you and you won’t need to show a pass to get into places?

Or do you not do that now and this is you ?
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I do think that the "masks everywhere" thing is daft. I don't know what it's like over there but where I live in the states there are people going into restaurants with a mask on, taking it off one minute later, having dinner and drinks, then putting it on to walk out the door or go to the toilet. That is just mask-wearing for show.

I also think not getting vaccinated is daft. And it seems like the people who won't wear a mask also won't get vaccinated, while many of the people who do get vaccinated are also masking up in areas where it's not needed and being ultra-cautious about anything indoors and behaving like it's still April 2020. One side is irresponsible and another side is taking "health and safety" to silly extremes.

When does it all go away? I doubt the need for a vaccine will ever go away, and it might need to be updated as new variants come out. The need to show proof of vaccination might go away if the number of unvaccinated falls; we'll see. At this point I don't blame governments for not wanting unvaccinated people crossing their borders.
 
dave1772 said:
I was in France and Germany recently and you cannot get into any establishment like bar, restaurant, museum etc without showing your vaccine certificate. No big deal. I didn't feel like my human rights had been violated.
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Same here in Portugal.
 
dave1772 said:
I was in France and Germany recently and you cannot get into any establishment like bar, restaurant, museum etc without showing your vaccine certificate. No big deal. I didn't feel like my human rights had been violated.
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You didn’t feel like your human rights were violated but you needed to show a vaccine passport to enter an establishment ?!!!?? 🤣
 
Wizaard said:
Hang on. There was always a risk of catching covid even after double jabbed. No one ever said it was 100%. The figure quoted was nearer to 60% from memory.

It's you who's rewriting history.
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I’m not rewriting anything but think you should when you said this regarding health workers losing their jobs if they weren’t vaccinated…

“Its no different than convicted sex pests not being allowed to work with kids. What about their rights in that case?”

You surely don’t think this is right do you?? If so it’s very fuckin weird.
 
coloradoan said:
This is all a game of probabilities. The vaccine doesn't "prevent" infection the sense of making it impossible, what it does is reduce the probability of infection, as well as the seriousness of the symptoms and amount of viral shedding. So, a vaccinated person is 1) less likely to get infected, 2) less likely to fall ill if infected, and 3) less likely to pass it to someone else if infected.

Note, "less likely". Vaccinated people can still get infected and get sick and infect others. But if you're working for the public health authority and you want to minimize harm caused by the virus, then you're in the business of reducing probabilities of infection and illness and transmission.

(Ditto for masks, and for all the other vaccines we get that very few people complain about, and for making everyone get out of the swimming pool if there's shit it in, and for not re-using intravenous needles, and for laws prohibiting drunk driving, etc. We not *preventing* bad things from happening, we're simply making them less likely)
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3) less likely to pass it onto someone..... actually both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals carry the same viral load once infected. So they are just as likely to pass infection on.
 
coloradoan said:
I do think that the "masks everywhere" thing is daft. I don't know what it's like over there but where I live in the states there are people going into restaurants with a mask on, taking it off one minute later, having dinner and drinks, then putting it on to walk out the door or go to the toilet. That is just mask-wearing for show.

I also think not getting vaccinated is daft. And it seems like the people who won't wear a mask also won't get vaccinated, while many of the people who do get vaccinated are also masking up in areas where it's not needed and being ultra-cautious about anything indoors and behaving like it's still April 2020. One side is irresponsible and another side is taking "health and safety" to silly extremes.

When does it all go away? I doubt the need for a vaccine will ever go away, and it might need to be updated as new variants come out. The need to show proof of vaccination might go away if the number of unvaccinated falls; we'll see. At this point I don't blame governments for not wanting unvaccinated people crossing their borders.
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Decent post this. There is no doubts extremes on both sides. You are bang on about mask wearers being double jabbed and the theatre of wearing a mask, especially the nonsense of wearing one to walk to a table and then taking it off to sit there for hours. Also true about those who don’t wear them.

Passports are worthless in my mind. Just a power, control and money mechanism.

Mainstream media, politicians, and covid fanatics want you to believe that:

Vaccinated = not sick/not infectious
Unvaccinated = sick/infectious

And that naturally acquired immunity doesn't exist.

It is pure propaganda.
 
Wizaard said:
I've been double vaccinated but still tested positive last week after the Blackburn game. Spent the last 10 days in isolation but haven't needed to go to the doctor or hospital. I've presumably now got a boosted level of immunity from the chance of getting it again for a good while.

Who knows what would have happened if I wasn't jabbed? Not willing to take that risk and don't have an issue showing evidence of my level of immunity. Can't understand why anyone would have, to be honest.
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Wiz

I'm certainly not saying that you shouldn't have been jabbed but if you hadn't been jabbed it is very, very, very, very highly probable that you would have been ill for 7-10 days, perhaps lost your appetite and then recovered.
 
dave1772 said:
I was in France and Germany recently and you cannot get into any establishment like bar, restaurant, museum etc without showing your vaccine certificate. No big deal. I didn't feel like my human rights had been violated.
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Maybe you didn't feel like your human rights had been violated Dave and that's all well and good but what about the rights of the French and German business owners ?
 
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