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seasidepaddle

seasidepaddle

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At the top top level without being able to take a knock or two or being cool in a crisis. Unfortunately one of the downsides to being a 'smaller' club that punches above its weight is there will always be vultures circling around your best talent.

Let's trust the owner who hasn't done much wrong so far - particularly given what he walked into!

Between the NC compensation and Bowler cash - I daresay the new manager will have the largest transfer fund in BFC history.
 
the issue is, similar to Tottenham and Arsenal, when you make a huge investment in your stadium and training facilities, the money has to come from somewhere. From what I’ve read and looking at the situation, it feels like Neil left due to a lack of funds for this season, even with the Bowler transfer. He doesn’t want to take a sinking ship down and ruin his reputation.

I appreciate It’s a negative view, but that’s how I see it. We have a couple of tough years ahead until enough money is recouped.
 
voyeur said:
We could well get more and better applications than we've had before. How many clubs are as assorted as Blackpool right now? In the past it's been those desperate for a chance, mostly. The rest have shunned us.
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Agree 👍
 
Can’t find the post now but didn’t someone post on here yesterday there were a few problems at Sadler HQ with some of his clients?
 
Our reputation in footballing circles these days is an excellent one

The fact that Critch was backed when we went through that awful spell will stand us in good stead .

We will have the pick of the crop
 
AngelBFC said:
Our reputation in footballing circles these days is an excellent one

The fact that Critch was backed when we went through that awful spell will stand us in good stead .

We will have the pick of the crop
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Not sure about the pick of the crop because there will be concerns about critchleys reasons for leaving, the reported hedge fund issues and Simons comments about not paying big on players. Having said that, our reputation is considerably better.
 
AngelBFC said:
Our reputation in footballing circles these days is an excellent one

The fact that Critch was backed when we went through that awful spell will stand us in good stead .

We will have the pick of the crop
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No our reputation is now as a normal club, behaving in a normal way. Nothing more special than that. When it comes to a new manager, they'll consider money for them and money for players- they will, of course, cite the training ground, but know the chances of them being here when it happens are close to zero.
 
TangerineTom said:
the issue is, similar to Tottenham and Arsenal, when you make a huge investment in your stadium and training facilities, the money has to come from somewhere. From what I’ve read and looking at the situation, it feels like Neil left due to a lack of funds for this season, even with the Bowler transfer. He doesn’t want to take a sinking ship down and ruin his reputation.

I appreciate It’s a negative view, but that’s how I see it. We have a couple of tough years ahead until enough money is recouped.
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Im not even sure its to do with lack of funds. Where is the evidence regarding this?

The overriding factor in this is Steven Gerrard. He is a close confident of Critch with higher aspirations than us. Remember it was Gerrard who Critch turned to for advice about accepting the Pool job.

If asked, it was always going to happen, although in this instance sooner than later.
 
Matesrates said:
Not sure about the pick of the crop because there will be concerns about critchleys reasons for leaving, the reported hedge fund issues and Simons comments about not paying big on players. Having said that, our reputation is considerably better.
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What he said was 'The club won't be splashing out big transfer fees whilst there are these investments to make' i.e. training ground etc.
He also said 'we need to keep improving year on year on the pitch, as we have done to date. We need to maintain our position in the Championship'.
If you read the various press reports on the hedge fund they all relate to over a year ago, and dont seem to have affected its viability as 'the go to fund' for investment in south east Asia.
On a club management level I wouldn't expect SS to be saying 'IVe got ten million plus to spend on players. Come and get it'.
 
I remember Ollie in our Prem season when Villa were after Charlie Adam. He said why would one of my players want to make a sideways step. He added if a player is to leave Blackpool it must be to a top 4 club. He asked the fans to get rid of our small club mentality. The guy was a motivator whatever anyone says.
 
voyeur said:
There's an upside to this. An employee of Blackpool FC has gone on to big things. He was well recruited, and well supported, and he succeeded. It makes us attractive.
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I don't think moving to Villa as an assistant manager is necessarily the big move many up and coming managers will be dreaming of.

You seem to be a bit in awe of that particular position and it's a bit odd.
 
tangible said:
What he said was 'The club won't be splashing out big transfer fees whilst there are these investments to make' i.e. training ground etc.
He also said 'we need to keep improving year on year on the pitch, as we have done to date. We need to maintain our position in the Championship'.
If you read the various press reports on the hedge fund they all relate to over a year ago, and dont seem to have affected its viability as 'the go to fund' for investment in south east Asia.
On a club management level I wouldn't expect SS to be saying 'IVe got ten million plus to spend on players. Come and get it'.
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Ag totally, it’s whether others will see it that way.
 
Simon Sadller is a fan; he wants what we want for the club.

I find it far easier to imagine being him, than the previous owners.

He talks in 'relative' terms and seeks value in every single transaction the club makes.

He's just bought 100 hectares of land to build a training facility

He's negotiated with Blackpool Council, for them to spend £6m clearing the land to get a new stand built.

He uses data and more data to help inform the decisions the club are making; so far, he's not doing too badly. I'm not sure there are many clubs who will be able to say, they've turned a profit of their manager.

If we looked at NC as a player, he was signed for a free, helped us get promotion and consolidate our position in the Championship before being sold. In terms of a business decision, it's been an overwhelming success.

So I guess, I'll take him on his word, he wants us to end every transfer window stronger than the start of it.

He will want to finish next season higher than 16th and everybody associated with the club will be working to that aim.

Whoever we get, will have to demonstrate to SS, they have the skills, talents and values to get us there.

SS is no mug; we will be fine.
 
Tango1953 said:
I don't think moving to Villa as an assistant manager is necessarily the big move many up and coming managers will be dreaming of.

You seem to be a bit in awe of that particular position and it's a bit odd.
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I think it might be Critch's chance to manage a PL club, one way or another Gerrard is likely to leave in a season or two, when he does Critch will have a strong case for replacing him.
 
Lost Seasider said:
I think it might be Critch's chance to manage a PL club, one way or another Gerrard is likely to leave in a season or two, when he does Critch will have a strong case for replacing him.
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How often does the assistant replace the manager at PL level?

His progression is now intrinsically linked to SG's now aswell. If the ultimate aim is to be a PL no.1 then it's a backward step.
 
Tango1953 said:
How often does the assistant replace the manager at PL level?

His progression is now intrinsically linked to SG's now aswell. If the ultimate aim is to be a PL no.1 then it's a backward step.
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How often is the assistant a proven manager in his own right?
 
Tango1953 said:
I don't think moving to Villa as an assistant manager is necessarily the big move many up and coming managers will be dreaming of.

You seem to be a bit in awe of that particular position and it's a bit odd.
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I'm not in awe of it at all. It's just a big club, and he'll be no.2, not U23 coach. I think nobody outside of our fan base will think it's a backward move tbh.

I think not accepting this is a bit odd tbh.
 
Seen many say it's a weird move, going from a manager a a Championship club, (with a great ambitious owner, great fans and little pressure) to an assistant at Villa.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Yeah sorry Voy, I’ve had two people message me today saying WTF. And finding it completely bizarre. It’s a backwards move career wise.
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Fine but I don't think it is and, crucially, Critch doesn't either. It's what he wants and we just have to suck it up. IMO. It's his career.
 
voyeur said:
I'm not in awe of it at all. It's just a big club, and he'll be no.2, not U23 coach. I think nobody outside of our fan base will think it's a backward move tbh.

I think not accepting this is a bit odd tbh.
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It's certainly raised some eyebrows on a general football forum I post on.

This is from a Villa mate of mine.

"Very odd. At least there's a gerrard link but I'm surprised to say the least. Who's going to replace him?"
 
Tango1953 said:
It's certainly raised some eyebrows on a general football forum I post on.

This is from a Villa mate of mine.

"Very odd. At least there's a gerrard link but I'm surprised to say the least. Who's going to replace him?"
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Yes fine but Critch gets to decide what he does. Not everyone will understand it. It definitely makes some sense. Especially for someone who has mostly coached and only done one manager job.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In fairness, we’re in the dark as far as Critchley’s reasoning is concerned.

There’s no doubt in my mind that it’s a backwards move.
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That's just your mind though tbf. I really don't think it's very difficult to see why Critch wanted that job. He'll be coaching higher up. That's his aim, I think. He had a good job here, but it's a tough gig managing a Championship club on a low budget. And I think he's mainly a coach.
 
voyeur said:
That's just your mind though tbf. I really don't think it's very difficult to see why Critch wanted that job. He'll be coaching higher up. That's his aim, I think. He had a good job here, but it's a tough gig managing a Championship club on a low budget. And I think he's mainly a coach.
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Agree about him wanting to simply coach. For all his fist pumping I don't think he was ever totally comfortable in the limelight, especially when we lost. And there is no doubt he'll be on considerably more money. Better for him financially, doing what he likes best, more comfortable environment, and crucially doesn't prevent him making a later move into top management. Don't think it's that hard to understand his motivation.
 
voyeur said:
That's just your mind though tbf. I really don't think it's very difficult to see why Critch wanted that job. He'll be coaching higher up. That's his aim, I think. He had a good job here, but it's a tough gig managing a Championship club on a low budget. And I think he's mainly a coach.
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I think it extremely easy to see why it’s odd. Because I can’t think of a situation where it’s happened before. And it doesn’t happen regularly because it’s a massive step back in a managerial career and that’s literally what everyone is talking about. If you’re talking about coaching then yes, you’re right it is a step up. But he was manager here. And it is 100% a step down.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I think it extremely easy to see why it’s odd. Because I can’t think of a situation where it’s happened before. And it doesn’t happen regularly because it’s a massive step back in a managerial career and that’s literally what everyone is talking about. If you’re talking about coaching then yes, you’re right it is a step up. But he was manager here. And it is 100% a step down.
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My opinion is different.
 
voyeur said:
That's just your mind though tbf. I really don't think it's very difficult to see why Critch wanted that job. He'll be coaching higher up. That's his aim, I think. He had a good job here, but it's a tough gig managing a Championship club on a low budget. And I think he's mainly a coach.
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Of course it’s my mind and likewise the alternative is just your mind. You can’t speak for Critchley, only he can do that and even then you’re only going to get the public version in any case.

It’s extremely difficult to see why he would take a step back from his position at Blackpool, especially if you go back and revisit his interview following his contract extension and consider the move in light of Beale moving in the opposite direction.

He was clearly excited, very happy and extremely motivated by leading the long term project here and developing his own squad…. It’s a massive (gigantic in fact) step down to simply then become a bit-part player in someone else’s project.

I liken it to when I started up on my own… At the time I could have worked for other people on significantly more money, but the project and overall objective was to develop my own thing. There’s a huge sense of personal pride and achievement that comes with that which you simply don’t get from being someone else’s joey, regardless of the financial rewards…. Of course, the financial rewards come later in any case..

We’re not all wired the same of course and maybe Critch does feel differently than most, but that doesn’t change the overall picture…. In general terms stepping away from frontline management in the Chsmpionship to a coaching role in the Prem is a backwards step.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course it’s my mind and likewise the alternative is just your mind. You can’t speak for Critchley, only he can do that and even then you’re only going to get the public version in any case.

It’s extremely difficult to see why he would take a step back from his position at Blackpool, especially if you go back and revisit his interview following his contract extension and consider the move in light of Beale moving in the opposite direction.

He was clearly excited, very happy and extremely motivated by leading the long term project here and developing his own squad…. It’s a massive (gigantic in fact) step down to simply then become a bit-part player in someone else’s project.

I liken it to when I started up on my own… At the time I could have worked for other people on significantly more money, but the project and overall objective was to develop my own thing. There’s a huge sense of personal pride and achievement that comes with that which you simply don’t get from being someone else’s joey, regardless of the financial rewards…. Of course, the financial rewards come later in any case..

We’re not all wired the same of course and maybe Critch does feel differently than most, but that doesn’t change the overall picture…. In general terms stepping away from frontline management in the Chsmpionship to a coaching role in the Prem is a backwards step.
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In your opinion.
 
If I had a best mate at a bigger bank who offered to triple my salary to make his brews, offer advice and have less responsibility than my current role, I'd probably take it. It's not the normal move admittedly but I can see why Critchley has gone down this route. If things don't work out under Gerrard, I've no doubt there will be Championship clubs wanting him as their manager/head coach.
 
voyeur said:
In your opinion.
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Obviously, it’s all just opinions…The fact that the position only became available, due to his predecessor advancing / developing his career by taking on a managers job at a Championship Club gives a pretty clear indication of how the move would be viewed in a wider context.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Obviously, it’s all just opinions…The fact that the position only became available, due to his predecessor advancing / developing his career by taking on a managers job at a Championship Club gives a pretty clear indication of how the move would be viewed in a wider context.
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No it doesn't. It's one data point. As is Critch going the opposite way. Maybe Beale got sick of Gerrard. I would!

There are different kinds of CV, and different individuals, who take different routes to the top. Critch may go much higher than Beale. Probably will.

But, as I've said, Critch very likely prefers to go high as a coach. Not everyone wants to be a manager. Sometimes the no 2 has all the talent and the no.1 takes all the acclaim, but the no.2 is completely fine with that.

And a no.2 at a huge club will earn significantly more than a no.1 at a championship club. And work with elite players. Will Beale have a more successful career than Critch. I doubt it myself.
 
NewburyOne said:
If I had a best mate at a bigger bank who offered to triple my salary to make his brews, offer advice and have less responsibility than my current role, I'd probably take it. It's not the normal move admittedly but I can see why Critchley has gone down this route. If things don't work out under Gerrard, I've no doubt there will be Championship clubs wanting him as their manager/head coach.
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That would still be a step backwards though…

In the event that your mate was run over by the proverbial, you would simply be a very expensive brew maker.
voyeur said:
No it doesn't. It's one data point. As is Critch going the opposite way. Maybe Beale got sick of Gerrard. I would!

There are different kinds of CV, and different individuals, who take different routes to the top. Critch may go much higher than Beale. Probably will.

But, as I've said, Critch very likely prefers to go high as a coach. Not everyone wants to be a manager. Sometimes the no 2 has all the talent and the no.1 takes all the acclaim, but the no.2 is completely fine with that.

And a no.2 at a huge club will earn significantly more than a no.1 at a championship club. And work with elite players. Will Beale have a more successful career than Critch. I doubt it myself.
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Critch may go higher than Beale (that’s pure speculation though), but in the footballing hierarchy, a head coach is still a position that carries more Kudos and (ultimately) substantially more income than an assistant.

It may be the case that Critch is making a personal decision and career choice, based on his own skill set and limitations, but that’s very different.
 
Critch may just prefer coaching. Very likely does. But if he wants to manage higher up, making Villa into a good premier League side will carry more weight with Premier League owners than Beale doing a good job at QPR will. And he has 2+years successful management experience on his CV now too to alleviate doubts about him being a manager.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
That would still be a step backwards though…

In the event that your mate was run over by the proverbial, you would simply be a very expensive brew maker.

Critch may go higher than Beale (that’s pure speculation though), but in the footballing hierarchy, a head coach is still a position that carries more Kudos and (ultimately) substantially more income than an assistant.

It may be the case that Critch is making a personal decision and career choice, based on his own skill set and limitations, but that’s very different.
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I'm not disagreeing it's a step backwards in seniority but people have different values, it could just be as simple as he has more loyalty to his friend Gerrard than Blackpool, wants to coach better players or really likes the idea of securing his families future in terms of financially.
 
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