Summer Transfer Rumours trois - Will Appy (re)sign anyone?

voyeur said:
Bowler to Rovers? Blackpool looking for 3m?

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Looks like he's going to be off to someone and if we can get 3 million and add the 2.5 million for Critch and then maybe some more if we sell Anderson and a striker that would give us a good kitty to buy players between now and the 1st September
 
You could add another 2 million if Gabriel goes to Burnley. That would be a pot of around 8 to 10 million, but we would be without some of our best players! Have we got replacements lined up?
 
If he’s not playing on Sunday, we’ll know. That is of course unless it happens before then. Personally, I’d rather keep him.
 
Also think since if we do sell to Blackburn, with them being a "stepping stone" club like us, I could see us accepting 2m with a high sell on fee.

Because if he does well at Blackburn then he'll be off in 1-2 years anyway for an even higher fee, could ultimately see us make more money off his transfer than we initially thought
 
Heard that we're in for Hiroo Onoda.

Skilful player, always finding spaces and is in need of a new club after a short break.
 
My partner showed me a picture of some removal company posting about helping a ‘blackpool player’ move to Gloucester ready for his loan more to Forrest Green Rovers, dunno how legit it was but any ideas who this could be if true? Tharme maybe? Or Bez?
 
Question - never mind this ?? million regarding the new training ground (which is money promised?) never mind the "we have a bigger budget than last year" why are we seeing such limited transfer funds and seeming to be out bid by all and sundry?

Is SS struggling for money to finance our football team? Serious question?
 
I have to say our summer window so far isn't inspiring, yes without full info and there's always rumours so some stuff may not be true that we hear.

But from the outside looking in as a fan we seemingly aren't getting the targets we set out to get. We saw that with the Appleton comments of people in before Scotland, during and it didn’t happen.

It's not a great look tbh and it's doesn't inspire the fans to see us seemingly struggling to get the players we want.

We may be negotiating hard, not spending more than we need and operating professionally but the fact is we aren't getting deals done for players we will own.

Two loans so far, whilst they seem decent, you need some permanent deals.

We have money from the budget, money from Critch and may get money for Bowler.

Just over a week to go until the season starts and a pretty uninspiring summer so far.

It's all well and good being professional but fans need some excitement.
 
JJpool said:
I have to say our summer window so far isn't inspiring, yes without full info and there's always rumours so some stuff may not be true that we hear.

But from the outside looking in as a fan we seemingly aren't getting the targets we set out to get. We saw that with the Appleton comments of people in before Scotland, during and it didn’t happen.

It's not a great look tbh and it's doesn't inspire the fans to see us seemingly struggling to get the players we want.

We may be negotiating hard, not spending more than we need and operating professionally but the fact is we aren't getting deals done for players we will own.

Two loans so far, whilst they seem decent, you need some permanent deals.

We have money from the budget, money from Critch and may get money for Bowler.

Just over a week to go until the season starts and a pretty uninspiring summer so far.

It's all well and good being professional but fans need some excitement.
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No room for squad fillers so the incoming have to be seriously better than the players they replace, and all within a budget.
 
tangysider said:
No room for squad fillers so the incoming have to be seriously better than the players they replace, and all within a budget.
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I understood we were probably going for a better calibre of player to improve us so more difficultto secure.. having said that we have seemingly missed out on targets that aren't exactly top tier.

We should have a big amount from Critch, some already from our revenue.

We should be able to secure a RB from the Irish leagues for eg.

Hard to know without access to info but from the perception we get it doesn't look particularly great at getting our targets.
 
I was browsing the Millwall fans message board and their CEO Steve Kavanagh was explaining how difficult the transfer market is in this window. Covid has hit Championship clubs hard with most losing about GBP6M. As a result they are trying to get top dollar for saleable players and are reluctant to pay out big fees for prospective targets. Similar to us they are looking at young Premier League players on loan or at reasonable prices e.g. Ellis Simms or free agents.
 
Seainsea said:
I was browsing the Millwall fans message board and their CEO Steve Kavanagh was explaining how difficult the transfer market is in this window. Covid has hit Championship clubs hard with most losing about GBP6M. As a result they are trying to get top dollar for saleable players and are reluctant to pay out big fees for prospective targets. Similar to us they are looking at young Premier League players on loan or at reasonable prices e.g. Ellis Simms or free agents.
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And the Shamrock Rovers fella was also saying English clubs outside the Prem are behaving very differently in the transfer market post Covid. Much less money about.
 
Just from what I'm hearing in Ireland I wouldn't want to be responsible for making transfers at the moment at championship or League 1 level.
Basically what I'm hearing is covid has hit some clubs, owners and sponsors hard so money is tough to find, but also Brexit has made signing EU (excluding Ireland) players a hell of a lot harder so UK and Ireland players have gone up in value and agents know this which creates an interesting situation of a smaller pool, but a more expensive pool, but less money to get players from that pool.
Very tough market to operate in.
 
JJpool said:
I understood we were probably going for a better calibre of player to improve us so more difficultto secure.. having said that we have seemingly missed out on targets that aren't exactly top tier.

We should have a big amount from Critch, some already from our revenue.

We should be able to secure a RB from the Irish leagues for eg.

Hard to know without access to info but from the perception we get it doesn't look particularly great at getting our targets.
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When club valuations differ so wildly it is difficult to be too critical. Oxford valued Brannagan at well over 1 million, would not come down so was never going to happen, Time will tell whose valuation was realistic. Maybe for Lyons the solution is a higher sell on percentage, as they are currently not desperate for the money.
 
Talking of transfers and valuations Lewis O’Brien and Harry Toffolo just signed for Notts Forest this week from Huddersfield for a combined fee of £10.6m they valued each player at £5.3M.

I accept Udders got to the play-offs but are these 2 players really worth over £5m each? Or is that the going rate these days for decent a championship player?

I say this because of the silly ‘we should let Bowler go for £1m’ comments of late.

He’s our most creative player by some distance granted he’s only got 12 months of his contract left but £1m even £1.5m is a joke.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Talking of transfers and valuations Lewis O’Brien and Harry Toffolo just signed for Notts Forest this week from Huddersfield for a combined fee of £10.6m they valued each player at £5.3M.

I accept Udders got to the play-offs but are these 2 players really with over £5m each? Or is that the going rate these days for decent a championship player?

I say this because of the silly ‘we should let Bowler go for £1m’

He’s our most creative player by some distance granted he’s only got 12 months of his contract left but £1m even £1.5m is a joke.
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They’re ‘worth’ what someone was willing to pay for them. Bowler goes for nothing in 12 months.

Instead of think in terms of ‘worth’, which is meaningless in a football context, think about what someone is willing to pay and what we would or wouldn’t be willing to accept.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Talking of transfers and valuations Lewis O’Brien and Harry Toffolo just signed for Notts Forest this week from Huddersfield for a combined fee of £10.6m they valued each player at £5.3M.

I accept Udders got to the play-offs but are these 2 players really worth over £5m each? Or is that the going rate these days for decent a championship player?

I say this because of the silly ‘we should let Bowler go for £1m’ comments of late.

He’s our most creative player by some distance granted he’s only got 12 months of his contract left but £1m even £1.5m is a joke.
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To be fair O'Brien is absolute quality and will be a good asset for Forest
 
If someone offered 5m for Bowler he would be worth 5m. To them.

We will lose him for nowt next June. So there's pressure on Ben Mansford to get the best price he can, and buyers know that. And the clubs that have 5m to spend probably have players of Bowlers quality or better. He'd struggle to get into a Prem team.
 
SeasideHoop said:
Just from what I'm hearing in Ireland I wouldn't want to be responsible for making transfers at the moment at championship or League 1 level.
Basically what I'm hearing is covid has hit some clubs, owners and sponsors hard so money is tough to find, but also Brexit has made signing EU (excluding Ireland) players a hell of a lot harder so UK and Ireland players have gone up in value and agents know this which creates an interesting situation of a smaller pool, but a more expensive pool, but less money to get players from that pool.
Very tough market to operate in.
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That sounds like the interview I read with the fella from Shamrock. Who is likely to be talking up prices of Irish players. There are hundreds and thousands of players over here trying to get a club, and packed out academies. Lots of alternatives to Lyons, I'm sure.
 
voyeur said:
That sounds like the interview I read with the fella from Shamrock. Who is likely to be talking up prices of Irish players. There are hundreds and thousands of players over here trying to get a club, and packed out academies. Lots of alternatives to Lyons, I'm sure.
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First off it's Rovers or Shamrock Rovers.
Yeah I mean he's saying it because it's true. I've a good few mates or mates of mates that are involved in professional football in England and Scotland, as players, scouts, agents, analysts, etc, and they're all saying the same thing.
One person described it as this.
4 years ago if a club wanted a right back they had the whole of Europe to choose from so could go into negotiations openly stating they're also looking at 3/4 other guys from all over Europe and bluff a bit to get the numbers down. Now they're going into negotiations in a situation where realistically everyone knows everyone in some way so they can't bluff and the chances of the alternatives being the same quality are less. Which straight away puts the selling club at a stronger position.
The other side of that though is the selling club might need the money because of covid so really negotiations are a nightmare just now. Like a game of chicken.

Another guy basically used numbers and said the pool of players Championship and League 1 teams before Brexit was every EU passport holder in pro football. Apparently this number is around 70,000 though its hard to know exactly, as we well know in Ireland if you look hard enough you can find someone that doesn't even know their granny gets them a passport for somewhere.
But post Brexit it's every UK or Ireland passport holder and international players son the number is down to around 15,000 professional footballers.
So selling clubs know that quality is worth a lot more now than it was because its in significantly lower levels of supply.

That's how I understand it anyway from the chats I've had over a few pints with people who know what they're talking about. But the main thing is doing transfers at the moment is very very difficult unless you find a club that needs the money and is willing to admit it needs the money from transfers because there isn't likely to be another revenue source.
 
I will be angry if pool sold bowler to a championship side
selling will make that team stronger and us weaker , surly we can compete with better wages for him , I’d understand if we sold to a team who just got relegated from the prem or he signed for a team in the prem
all this news on selling yet no real news on buying 🤷
pool should renew bowler’s contract with a buyout clause to a prem side only , if he is that good , he will get his move to the premiership , but don’t sell to a championship side
 
voyeur said:
If someone offered 5m for Bowler he would be worth 5m. To them.

We will lose him for nowt next June. So there's pressure on Ben Mansford to get the best price he can, and buyers know that. And the clubs that have 5m to spend probably have players of Bowlers quality or better. He'd struggle to get into a Prem team.
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I think we will get a "tribunal" fee.
 
If Bowler stays until the end of the season and he hasn't signed a new contract by then we will know exactly where we are.
I'm pretty sure the tribunal fee won't be significant.
I'd take £3m now for him from a PL club but would be disappointed if he went to another Championship club.
£5m might persuade me to let T'Rovers have him.
 
Insider said:
If Bowler stays until the end of the season and he hasn't signed a new contract by then we will know exactly where we are.
I'm pretty sure the tribunal fee won't be significant.
I'd take £3m now for him from a PL club but would be disappointed if he went to another Championship club.
£5m might persuade me to let T'Rovers have him.
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There’s no tribunal fee. We get nothing.
 
Tangerine Manc said:
I will be angry if pool sold bowler to a championship side
selling will make that team stronger and us weaker , surly we can compete with better wages for him , I’d understand if we sold to a team who just got relegated from the prem or he signed for a team in the prem
all this news on selling yet no real news on buying 🤷
pool should renew bowler’s contract with a buyout clause to a prem side only , if he is that good , he will get his move to the premiership , but don’t sell to a championship side
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You can’t renew the contract of someone who doesn’t want to sign a new deal.
 
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