George Floyd killer's bail set

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at £1.25 million apparently 🤯 Yes, that is the same amount we payed for DJ Campbell 10 years ago.
 
Is it true George Floyd held a gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach during a violent armed robbery. A crime he served 5 years for after a plea bargain?
It seems to be.
 
Lala said:
Is it true George Floyd held a gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach during a violent armed robbery. A crime he served 5 years for after a plea bargain?
It seems to be.
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That is true Lala but that doesn't count for nothing the Police are there to arrest people not kill them unless he'd pulled a weapon out against them.
 
poolseasider said:
That is true Lala but that doesn't count for nothing the Police are there to arrest people not kill them unless he'd pulled a weapon out against them.
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Totally agree.
My point now is if I’d have walked in on him doing that to my daughter I’d have mustered the adrenaline to throttle him myself.
And if we’d read the story of his crime on avftt at the time many a parent would have said the same.
So yes, appropriate sentencing is now required, but let’s not make a martyr of a very cruel violent criminal. Whatever their colour.
And where is the white lives matter rioting for the white chap that was pushed to the floor in America, blood pouring from his head?
We are getting into very very dodgy ground here.
Am I a racist? Am I f*ck but let’s gain perspective all round.
 
Lala said:
Is it true George Floyd held a gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach during a violent armed robbery. A crime he served 5 years for after a plea bargain?
It seems to be.
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Also seems to have been off his tits on Fentanyl at the time of his death.
 
Fentanyl - Common side effects include vomiting, constipation, sedation, confusion, hallucinations, and injuries related to poor coordination.[3][7] Serious side effects may include decreased breathing (respiratory depression), serotonin syndrome, low blood pressure, addiction, or coma.[3][7] Fentanyl works primarily by activating μ-opioid receptors.[3] It is around 100 times stronger than morphine, and some analogues such as carfentanil are around 10,000 times stronger.[8]

If that's true can see the police officer getting a lesser sentence.
 
poolseasider said:
Fentanyl - Common side effects include vomiting, constipation, sedation, confusion, hallucinations, and injuries related to poor coordination.[3][7] Serious side effects may include decreased breathing (respiratory depression), serotonin syndrome, low blood pressure, addiction, or coma.[3][7] Fentanyl works primarily by activating μ-opioid receptors.[3] It is around 100 times stronger than morphine, and some analogues such as carfentanil are around 10,000 times stronger.[8]

If that's true can see the police officer getting a lesser sentence.
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That will only happen if people have broad enough minds to accept all the facts.
 
I can understand your point of view, that the man committed a robbery and got sent to jail for 5 years.
He along with 5 others thought they were going to rob a Mexican drug dealer and expected to find lots of drugs and money there.
He did hold a gun to the occupants stomach but the robbers found nothing and they all (apart from the 1 who got lost) fled the scene.

The gentleman who was assaulted by the Police and hit his head is OK......He's not dead, he's probably got a big bump on the back of his head and is no doubt pushing for some sort of apology......If the cops had knelt on his neck for 9 minutes and killed him....I'm positive there would have been some form of outcry.....but I doubt anyone would have seen that as racial.

Low levels of Fentanyl and Metanphetamine and THC were found in his blood......He also tested positive for COVID-19
The coroner has dismissed the drugs saying they were obviously taken days prior and had no effect on his person at that time.
He also had heart problems which could have contributed to his death.

You can fact check everything, it's quite simple and maybe enlightening as to whats happening.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
I can understand your point of view, that the man committed a robbery and got sent to jail for 5 years.
He along with 5 others thought they were going to rob a Mexican drug dealer and expected to find lots of drugs and money there.
He did hold a gun to the occupants stomach but the robbers found nothing and they all (apart from the 1 who got lost) fled the scene.

The gentleman who was assaulted by the Police and hit his head is OK......He's not dead, he's probably got a big bump on the back of his head and is no doubt pushing for some sort of apology......If the cops had knelt on his neck for 9 minutes and killed him....I'm positive there would have been some form of outcry.....but I doubt anyone would have seen that as racial.

Low levels of Fentanyl and Metanphetamine and THC were found in his blood......He also tested positive for COVID-19
The coroner has dismissed the drugs saying they were obviously taken days prior and had no effect on his person at that time.
He also had heart problems which could have contributed to his death.

You can fact check everything, it's quite simple and maybe enlightening as to whats happening.
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I don’t understand your second para about the violent robbers including Floyd finding nothing?
Don’t get the relevance 🤔
 
www.nytimes.com

Experts: Floyd’s Health Issues Don’t Affect Homicide Ruling

George Floyd had drugs in his system and severe heart disease when a Minneapolis police officer put a knee to his neck, but independent experts said the medical problems revealed in the full autopsy report don’t change the conclusion that the handcuffed man’s death was a homicide.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

The Coroner (Goldberger) said.....“I believe that the presence of these substances is not relevant,” Goldberger said. “We know his death is not due to toxicological means” because of the video of the circumstances, he said. “I don’t believe that these drugs played a significant role in causing Mr. Floyd to become unresponsive while being restrained by law enforcement officers.”

Lala....There is no relevance to fleeing empty handed.....you called him a very cruel and violent criminal.
This is just what happened when he committed the robbery.

If anyone has some time (35 mins)....This is a link to the "Last week Tonight with John Oliver" it's a satirical TV program with a guy from the UK....it's not about Trump or George Floyd....it's about Policing in the USA and a little about the reason why the USA went loopy....it's well worth a watch, just to realise how lucky we are we don't have half the problems they have and maybe to give a perspective on everything that's happening.

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B_Side_The_C_Side said:
www.nytimes.com

Experts: Floyd’s Health Issues Don’t Affect Homicide Ruling

George Floyd had drugs in his system and severe heart disease when a Minneapolis police officer put a knee to his neck, but independent experts said the medical problems revealed in the full autopsy report don’t change the conclusion that the handcuffed man’s death was a homicide.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

The Coroner (Goldberger) said.....“I believe that the presence of these substances is not relevant,” Goldberger said. “We know his death is not due to toxicological means” because of the video of the circumstances, he said. “I don’t believe that these drugs played a significant role in causing Mr. Floyd to become unresponsive while being restrained by law enforcement officers.”

Lala....There is no relevance to fleeing empty handed.....you called him a very cruel and violent criminal.
This is just what happened when he committed the robbery.

If anyone has some time (35 mins)....This is a link to the "Last week Tonight with John Oliver" it's a satirical TV program with a guy from the UK....it's not about Trump or George Floyd....it's about Policing in the USA and a little about the reason why the USA went loopy....it's well worth a watch, just to realise how lucky we are we don't have half the problems they have and maybe to give a perspective on everything that's happening.

Watch Last Week Tonight with John Oliver Season 7 Episode 14 Online | PiratenZ

Watch Last Week Tonight with John Oliver Season 7 Episode 14 online or download Last Week Tonight with John Oliver Season 7 Episode 14 Online free
www.levidia.ch www.levidia.ch
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Fleeing empty handed means nothing to me. The trauma caused by and cruelty of pointing a gun at an unborn child and expectant mother with the threat to end 2 lives, one of an unborn innocent is totally horrendous.
Not actually killing them means nothing.
Emotional, psychological fear is as debilitating as any physical act of violence and this was all 3.
I’m not aiming my anger at you, I respect you as a poster, but sorry, in this instance I absolutely cannot concur with your thinking on this one.
 
And I agree LaLa, (I think...and apologies if I'm wrong) you are seeing it from the emotional side of 'he could have killed someone'....
So it's just the same as killing them.....that's why you said "Not actually killing them means nothing"......OK, I can see where the logic comes from and to be honest I 100% understand......he's not the greatest advert for martyrdom......but the act of killing a 'person'.....morally we don't kill anyone because they are...good, bad, indifferent, black, white, gay, straight, lucid, drunk, young, old, male, female and so on.....we don't have a sliding scale based on what people have previously done so we can kill them....apart from justifiable homicide.

I think there are so many little add-ons to this story (the drugs, prison, his lifestyle) that it starts to dilute the actual act forced upon him and people look elsewhere at 'things' that have happened and suddenly, it becomes a reason for the killing...Can anyone say.....Oh, that killing wasn't that bad as he wasn't squeaky clean and he isn't without blame, he once did a robbery........

The video shows what happened that day.......it's unequivocal evidence and it cant be 'explained' away.....it shows someone killing another person.
And that is totally wrong.....and that is what we should focus on.

P.S....What do you mean you don't' like Jazz....... god woman.....you need a bit of Chet Baker or life's not complete.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
And I agree LaLa, (I think...and apologies if I'm wrong) you are seeing it from the emotional side of 'he could have killed someone'....
So it's just the same as killing them.....that's why you said "Not actually killing them means nothing"......OK, I can see where the logic comes from and to be honest I 100% understand......he's not the greatest advert for martyrdom......but the act of killing a 'person'.....morally we don't kill anyone because they are...good, bad, indifferent, black, white, gay, straight, lucid, drunk, young, old, male, female and so on.....we don't have a sliding scale based on what people have previously done so we can kill them....apart from justifiable homicide.

I think there are so many little add-ons to this story (the drugs, prison, his lifestyle) that it starts to dilute the actual act forced upon him and people look elsewhere at 'things' that have happened and suddenly, it becomes a reason for the killing...Can anyone say.....Oh, that killing wasn't that bad as he wasn't squeaky clean and he isn't without blame, he once did a robbery........

The video shows what happened that day.......it's unequivocal evidence and it cant be 'explained' away.....it shows someone killing another person.
And that is totally wrong.....and that is what we should focus on.

P.S....What do you mean you don't' like Jazz....... god woman.....you need a bit of Chet Baker or life's not complete.
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I probably disagree with a lot of that regarding the not killing stance.
Anyone present that day would have had a legal right to have shot him dead on the spot for brandishing a gun and threatening to kill an unborn child and it’s mother.
We wouldn’t be having this debate now if that had occurred.
Food for thought, and colour or creed doesn’t come into that simple fact.
 
We wouldn’t be having this debate if he hadn’t been murdered by that police officer. What he has done in the past is the past, he served his time, he sounds as if he has a chequered past and police dealing with him needed to be wary. But.... what happened was appalling, not necessary and that cannot be how the police react to situations like that. Trouble is racism is ingrained in the USA and it isn’t going to stop even with these protests, it will hopefully improve but it won’t change those for who it is a total mindset.
 
hertfordseasider said:
We wouldn’t be having this debate if he hadn’t been murdered by that police officer. What he has done in the past is the past, he served his time, he sounds as if he has a chequered past and police dealing with him needed to be wary. But.... what happened was appalling, not necessary and that cannot be how the police react to situations like that. Trouble is racism is ingrained in the USA and it isn’t going to stop even with these protests, it will hopefully improve but it won’t change those for who it is a total mindset.
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You’ve just said what happened in the past is the past? Can you not see the irony in that statement based on the fact these rioters are placing most of their arguments and behaviour on past treatments and behaviours? I can.
If you’re saying base each individual act on it’s merit then the black lives matter is a moot point because this case is being dealt with on its merit hence the charges brought against the police officers concerned.
What is also merited in the present are the facts that this gentleman was endangering lives driving around highly pumped up on illegal drugs.
I’m asking that we treat this case on individual merit.and all associated facts,which is what is occurring legally now.
And don’t make a saint or martyr out of a violent criminal.
 
Lala said:
Anyone present that day would have had a legal right to have shot him dead on the spot
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But that day was 12 years ago.

Some more food for thought: if the officer had killed a white person he'd probably still have a job and we'd never have heard of him.
 
Lala said:
You’ve just said what happened in the past is the past? Can you not see the irony in that statement based on the fact these rioters are placing most of their arguments and behaviour on past treatments and behaviours? I can.
If you’re saying base each individual act on it’s merit then the black lives matter is a moot point because this case is being dealt with on its merit hence the charges brought against the police officers concerned.
What is also merited in the present are the facts that this gentleman was endangering lives driving around highly pumped up on illegal drugs.
I’m asking that we treat this case on individual merit.and all associated facts,which is what is occurring legally now.
And don’t make a saint or martyr out of a violent criminal.
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I think you have misread me LaLa; I am talking about George Floyds misdemeanours being in the past, trying to say je was a wrong 'un as a way to try and make it sound not as bad is a terrible way to look at things.

Things have improved in the USA over the past 150 years but no where near as much as they should have and the future isn't suddenly become racist free there, it is too ingrained. I personally think that the USA is a scary place where there is a real white supremicist culture in a largish minority.
 
To me the protests are all about structural racism that exists to this day. The protests in this country are about the structural racism that is in our society. It's not really about George Floyd and what he did in the past.

As an example;
Two incompetant politicians; Diane Abbot and Boris Johnson, neither particularly effective IMO
One is the target of hate messages, death threats and rape threats. Ridiculed in popular culture and the butt of many jokes.
The other gets to become PM despite having on several occasions having made and written overtly racist things and is considered a loveable rogue, a Billy Bunter type figure often caught with his hand in the cookie jar as another lie he has told is exposed.

The truth, IMO, is that many people in our society don't like black women having a voice and will use any tactic to shut them down when they can. This is what happens to Dianne Abbot, she is not accorded the same respect as someone like Johnson although she deserves more respect. However, we are far more comfortable with entitled and prejudiced white men telling us what is what.
That is what the protests are about IMO
 
Lala said:
Totally agree.
My point now is if I’d have walked in on him doing that to my daughter I’d have mustered the adrenaline to throttle him myself.
And if we’d read the story of his crime on avftt at the time many a parent would have said the same.
So yes, appropriate sentencing is now required, but let’s not make a martyr of a very cruel violent criminal. Whatever their colour.
And where is the white lives matter rioting for the white chap that was pushed to the floor in America, blood pouring from his head?
We are getting into very very dodgy ground here.
Am I a racist? Am I f*ck but let’s gain perspective all round.
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That wasn't known to the police who arrested him. That was on suspicion of passing a counterfeit $20 bill.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
To me the protests are all about structural racism that exists to this day. The protests in this country are about the structural racism that is in our society. It's not really about George Floyd and what he did in the past.

As an example;
Two incompetant politicians; Diane Abbot and Boris Johnson, neither particularly effective IMO
One is the target of hate messages, death threats and rape threats. Ridiculed in popular culture and the butt of many jokes.
The other gets to become PM despite having on several occasions having made and written overtly racist things and is considered a loveable rogue, a Billy Bunter type figure often caught with his hand in the cookie jar as another lie he has told is exposed.

The truth, IMO, is that many people in our society don't like black women having a voice and will use any tactic to shut them down when they can. This is what happens to Dianne Abbot, she is not accorded the same respect as someone like Johnson although she deserves more respect. However, we are far more comfortable with entitled and prejudiced white men telling us what is what.
That is what the protests are about IMO
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I was determined to stay away from the folk politics forum. But I’ve got to ask why on earth does Dianne Abbott deserve more respect than Boris Johnson?

I’m not particularly enamoured with him but she has to be one of, if not the worst Member of parliament I’ve ever come across. A truly stupid human being. ( I have actually met her)

Are you saying this simply because she’s a black woman, and on the convoluted table of identity politics she holds lots of identity points, therefore ermmm she’s just great no matter what?

If you’d compared Boris to any other MP who happened to be Black or any other skin colour I could have perhaps followed your point. But to compare him to the most incompetent buffoon in Parliament, shows that you’d be happy to invoke the race card for practically anything.

A truly laughable post.
 
Rektseasider said:
I was determined to stay away from the folk politics forum. But I’ve got to ask why on earth does Dianne Abbott deserve more respect than Boris Johnson?

I’m not particularly enamoured with him but she has to be one of, if not the worst Member of parliament I’ve ever come across. A truly stupid human being. ( I have actually met her)

Are you saying this simply because she’s a black woman, and on the convoluted table of identity politics she holds lots of identity points, therefore ermmm she’s just great no matter what?

If you’d compared Boris to any other MP who happened to be Black or any other skin colour I could have perhaps followed your point. But to compare him to the most incompetent buffoon in Parliament, shows that you’d be happy to invoke the race card for practically anything.

A truly laughable post.
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Thanks for proving my point.
I made the comparison because IMO Johnson and Abbott both perform badly at their jobs, yet one is tolerated and encouraged by our society and one is subject to ridicule and hatred (as your post illustrates). Can I ask you to examine why Abbot is such a hate figure to you? - my post has certainly triggered something in you. As for her being stupid, she managed to get into Oxford and is consistently reelected with a large majority by her constituents.
And to answer your other point, Diane Abbot deserves more respect than Johnson because she has not written and published racist material unlike our PM.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Thanks for proving my point.
I made the comparison because IMO Johnson and Abbott both perform badly at their jobs, yet one is tolerated and encouraged by our society and one is subject to ridicule and hatred (as your post illustrates). Can I ask you to examine why Abbot is such a hate figure to you? - my post has certainly triggered something in you. As for her being stupid, she managed to get into Oxford and is consistently reelected with a large majority by her constituents.
And to answer your other point, Diane Abbot deserves more respect than Johnson because she has not written and published racist material unlike our PM.
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I don’t hate her, I try not to hate anyone.

“Mao did wonders for Chinese agriculture”
“For 1,000 new officers it would cost...... errrrrmmmm ten million pounds”

just some of the inane thoughts she has.

Boris is loathed in equal measure. They’re treated equally well or badly by which ever side of the aisle you’re from.

If you’re hearing dog whistles on this one bits because you’re the dog.
 
Rektseasider said:
I don’t hate her, I try not to hate anyone.

“Mao did wonders for Chinese agriculture”
“For 1,000 new officers it would cost...... errrrrmmmm ten million pounds”

just some of the inane thoughts she has.

Boris is loathed in equal measure. They’re treated equally well or badly by which ever side of the aisle you’re from.

If you’re hearing dog whistles on this one bits because you’re the dog.
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IMO the BLM protests are about structural racism and things like this are tangible examples.
Abbott has said a lot of stupid things but so have many other MPs of all political persuasions.
However unlike most of the others, she is routinely subject to death threats, rape threats and disgusting abuse. Why is she a magnet for this abuse rather than other MPs if their treatment is equal as you would have it?

www.theguardian.com

Diane Abbott more abused than any other female MP during election

Shadow home secretary suffered relentless campaign of abuse leading up to June poll, according to Amnesty International poll
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
I commented on this as you brought her up as an example of someone not being a buffoon simply because of the colour of her skin?
Maybe she just gets outed as a poor politician because she’s just that?

But that never enters your thought because she’s Black.

The fact she’s a member of Parliament kind of suggest that systemic racism isn’t as strongly in place as you’d suggest?

there will always be bigots and racists out there, and they are disgusting idiots. But I don’t think you’ll ever wipe out that individual racism l, which I believe is not as wide spread as you suggest.
 
I have never said that she wasn't a buffoon, my original point was that she is merely one buffoon amongst many others. A single hypocrite in a sea of other hypocrites.
But this particular buffoon or hypocrite receives ten times as much hate messaging as any of the other buffoons (read the article) and much of what she receives is racist in its content.
If that is not systematic racism in practise, please can you explain what it is?
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
I have never said that she wasn't a buffoon, my original point was that she is merely one buffoon amongst many others. A single hypocrite in a sea of other hypocrites.
But this particular buffoon or hypocrite receives ten times as much hate messaging as any of the other buffoons (read the article) and much of what she receives is racist in its content.
If that is not systematic racism in practise, please can you explain what it is?
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And I agree with you there, the vast majority of parliament are now completely devoid of any talent or real world understanding.

As I say, there will always be people in society who choose to attack people because of their skin colour. I don’t need to tell you that I do not support that. No one in their right mind would. It’s the lowest form of collectivism.

The system has allowed her to Receive a good education, become a member of Parliament and become wealthy. If there was systemic racism like that of the Jim Crow era United States could she have done this?

I’ve lived on three continents, and traveled to many countries on the rest of them, there is racism in this country but thankfully it Is in a minority, which is illustrated to a high degree when you visit the rest of the world and see how racist other societies can be.
Especially when you consider where we were 30 or 40 years ago.

I think she’s a terrible politician, I don’t particularly know her as a person but I would stand up against any racist abuse she receives. I just have a problem with the constant portrayal of this country as one of the most racist when it’s actually one of the least.
 
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