I think we are all making our judgements to soon.
I’d give him a fair shot…
The story of his life it would seem….
I expressed how I felt about Appleton before he arrived, but gave him my 100 % support until Watford Away. Now he’s gone I’m happy to be totally honest about how shit he was.
Crikey. Take care pal.
...and it was me for one who he told.
I didn’t mistake him for Hubby… Are you sure you heard him right
Wow, sorry to hear that, as you say perspective changes
If he forces the players into a preconceived idea of how we should play I fear the worst, if he looks at what we've got and comes up with a plan to suit the players then we have a chance.
Well at least we do agree on something, I disagreed with the decision to appoint Appleton, I also gave him my 100% support, but felt the timing to change our Manager halfway through the Jan transfer window was all wrong. I didn’t get over excited after the Forest result and nor did I get too upset after the Watford result. I would have preferred Appleton to have been given a few more games now he had his 4 new signings available — Bowler, Rogers, Lyons and Trybull. I think McCarthy has a very difficult task on his hands, there is no continuity now that O’Donnell has gone and he has inherited Appleton’s squad which was geared up to be an attacking 4-3-3 formation. McCarthy could well be our Messiah but he has been out of management for 15 months since he was sacked at Cardiff after losing 8 Championship games on the bounce. I hope McCarthy succeeds and he has my 100% support.
I wasn't suggesting you did. I definitely heard him right. His words wereI didn’t mistake him for Hubby… Are you sure you heard him right
Are you sure it wasn’t Lazarus ?I wasn't suggesting you did. I definitely heard him right. His words were
"I'm fit for Saturday if selected".
PS.
And then he asked for a selfie with me.
He’s not going to change his philosophy to suit some players, he’s here to keep us up and it’s going to be uncompromising football. If they don’t fit in, he won’t play them, he’s said that to bowler
I've still got the picture somewhere with all his limbs in the right place.
That seems a bit far-fetched...
The best post I have read on this type of topic Voy.☝Some reasonable points in the OP. Not so much about bringing in players. We brought 6 in. The answer for me is to have more consistency and to use the players you have effectively. MA didn't. He should have gone earlier in my view, but he didn't. I thought they'd give him the December games and then decide. We drew 4 and lost 1 of 5. There was a sense that new players might make the marginal difference we needed but I felt Appleton just had the wrong vibe altogether and it woukdnt have worked out.
This all goes back to Critch leaving and the rushed appointment of MA. But it also demonstrates how difficult it is to run a football club, and we have a novice owner. We are lurching from one thing to the next. A bad appointment creates a domino effect, and we now have a short term disaster avoidance domino that doesn't fit the recruitment model.
Which doesn't really exist anyway. Every head coach has his own model. Grayson recruited Grayson players, Critch recruited Critch players, MA recruited MA players, MM has brought Goode and Nelson in.
Sadler seems to want something but can't find it. Probably because it's a model that looks good on Ben's PowerPoint but in real life people don't match up and money restrictions affect what is achievable.
Critch worked out well but was working under pressure to create a club based on good coaching and bringing on selected youngsters on a very tight budget. It's a long term project that requires better training facilities and better funding. We are probably trying to do too much too soon.
I still think we should have appointed Evatt when we chose Critchley, as I did at the time. More of a compromise solution. Critch was out of his comfort zone. People need to be firmly in their comfort zone. Evatt would have been.
Sadler and co are making mistakes but it's not really surprising. And it doesn't mean another owner wouldn't make mistakes, or worse, as we can all testify. Look at Everton, and all that player recruitment gone horrifically wrong.
Some old fashioned stoic resolution might be what we need as supporters. Go back to wearing flat caps and accepting that life is largely mundane!
Success isn't guaranteed. Success is also relative. We are one of the smaller clubs in the Championship, with a few bigger clubs in League One. We are quite successful! There's a post-Oyston learning process going on and we've actually moved forward despite the mistakes. We may well move backwards. But then move forwards again. Life has good times and bad times for everybody!
I respect Sadler for having a go and I'm not going to lob my dummy into the air every time a decision or its consequences doesn't match my dream. We have a regime now that wants to move things forward and is learning how to do that and 3 or 4 years is not a long time.
Whether Bowler fits a crisis system or not is just a minor detail really. It's not ideal. But he still might help keep us up. May be from the bench. You don't have to finish games the way you started them. It's a 16 man game now.
I don't ever want to see CJ at wing back again. Hopefully that was down to O'Donnell! A clueless idea that MM had a full week to avoid. If it happens again I'll be worried!
But I think we are a L1/Championship yoyo club as things stand and in terms of attendances and budget it's hard to argue with that I think.
So if they aren't Mick McCarthy players then how can he have no excuses, you've literally just said the biggest excuse he could have
If there's one thing Appleton was good at, it was finding an excuse for him being shit at his job.... It seems it was maybe contagious in your case, and a few others
I fear the worst then but maybe he can make the team stronger than the sum of it's parts. All coaches should do that but they don't all manage it. Usually helps if you have a plan that suits your most talented players but if he can get results with the likes of Bowler on the bench then we'll all be happy........even if Bowler isn't!!
I think he’s going to set up not to lose for the first few games and definitely away, he’ll be selecting players who can challenge and fight. At home it might be different because he has to win games to keep us up
Why towards Preston?I’d give him a fair shot…
Out of a canon pointed towards Preston.
Yet again you chat negative shite out of your arsehole to make it sound worse than it is
Good post for me on the whole that.
Miraculous
Think you're spot on with a lot of that Midd. He'll be focused on getting the basics right first, and then working from a solid base once he feels comfortable that those he selects not only know their jobs, but are committed to making the plan work. Said on another thread, stop conceding soft goals and we'll have more chance of winning games.
I’ll tell you what he will have absolutely loved and for me it showed the difference between that winning mentality / cynicism and nice guy / loser, was when Poveda lost the ball in the Southampton box and tugged their defender back as he was running away with the ball. Cut the breakaway out early enough and you don’t get a booking… You the get chance to regain shape and get men behind the ball… Simple and small things that make a big impact when you add them up.
That's interesting your first game was Watford at home in 1976?Of course it's not true it's a standing joke with a good mate of mine
My first game was Waford at home in 1976 although I started going properly around the 1980s
Hope you enjoyed his company
Now that is what I would call putting the Hubby boot in.I wasn't suggesting you did. I definitely heard him right. His words were
"I'm fit for Saturday if selected".
PS.
And then he asked for a selfie with me.
And yet again you fail to grasp any point that I'm making
I get what your saying. But your saying by chatting a big fat load of shite as well. First time this season you think we don't have enough? Are you barmy??? Implying we had enough to play appletons system all season?? Your a nutter. We've been short all season and now is probably the first time that we've looked like we might actually have enough. But unfortunately that doesn't fit with your Appleton is the allchrist agenda. I swear down you are appletons mum. Appys in and everyone can see he's a pile of piss, except you who is the most positive person on the planet???? Now he's gone and MMs here and we've actually made some positive signingsand we've got players coming back and every single post you write is negative. Its like your just totally against going with a majority.
From Wikipedia and just to add Ipswich at that time we’re not a team of giants. They lost in the play offs the following season.
That was all more than 10 years ago. Let’s not get carried away, McCarthy is now in his mid 60s and has been out of work for 15 months after losing 8 Championship games on the trot when he was Manager of Cardiff. The current Championship record of most consecutive games lost by a Manager is 9. McCarthy said that he has applied for lots of jobs since he was sacked by Cardiff and thought he would never get a job again. Only Blackpool gave him an interview. I do hope McCarthy does well and keeps us up, but just like Appleton, if I was involved in the recruitment process I wouldn‘t have given McCarthy the Blackpool job particularly as there was no competition,From Wikipedia and just to add Ipswich at that time we’re not a team of giants. They lost in the play offs the following season.
Lets hope he still has the Midas touch
On 1 November 2012, McCarthy was appointed manager at Championship side Ipswich Town[39] on a two and a half-year contract.[39] McCarthy's appointment came in the wake of Paul Jewell's departure by mutual consent. McCarthy won his first match in charge as Ipswich manager on 3 November 2012, away at Birmingham, 0–1. This broke a 12 match winless run[40] in the league, 13 matches in all competitions. McCarthy guided Ipswich past Burnley on 10 November – the first home win since March after a late DJ Campbell winner. The match ended 2–1.[41] With a win against Nottingham Forest in late November, his sixth game in charge, McCarthy had successfully guided Ipswich out of the relegation zone.[42] McCarthy's Ipswich stopped Millwall's 13-match unbeaten run with a 3–0 home win on 8 December. On 2 February 2013, McCarthy's assistant Terry Connor took charge of a 4–0 rout of Middlesbrough while McCarthy was ill. McCarthy then guided Ipswich to safety, finally finishing in 14th place
Yep it's a desperately poor appointment on the face of it born out of panic due to a load of bet wetting fans
Never Phil
Maybe you are right
No Points 5 to 10 are definitely not wind ups, they are purely my reflections on some of the good things I think Appleton contributed and achieved during his 7 months at Blackpool. This is hopefully an upgrade on this thread after the many other disparaging comments about Appleton being crap or sh*t with very little back up information provided apart from not liking his persona or management style. Appleton was sacked because of poor results on the field, there were mitigating factors, but for me the timing of his dismissal was all wrong. Why allow Appleton to bring players in during the Jan transfer window and then not give him a run of games to integrate them into the team and improve our results.
It was stick or twist and the overwhelming vote was twist. We should have twisted earlier than mid Jan probably.
The issue I have is that if he does play his preferred formation it basically makes Bowler or Rogers redundant or at the very least less effectiveIt was stick or twist and the overwhelming vote was twist. We should have twisted earlier than mid Jan probably.
We've got enough McCarthy defenders I think now. A bit short of size in midfield and attack maybe but he's an experienced manager and he's got the luxury of Poveda and Bowler. And he keeps purring about Poveda so he sees the value.
I actually think Mick's philosophy is more about work rate than size or formations. Hes not wedded to a particular system, or to Giraffeball, he just wants all his players to defend as well as attack and to thus be hard to beat. I reckon. Yes he'll likely play 3 centre backs most of the time but it can be different things. The wing backs can be mostly attacking or mostly defending or half n half.
Away to a Prem team he chose to have CJ wing back and only one DM. I wouldn't probably have been more cautious myself and had Trybull and KD together and Hubby and Lyons at WB with Connelly Goode Thorniley in the 3!
Mick only really played 3 defenders plus Trybull. CJ is not a defender at all and Lyons is a player whose instinct is to attack, from the little I've seen. The team selection was much more adventurous than I expected.
The league may be different of course but it was a one off dress rehearsal.
And found a manager to accommodate those two? Who? Don't say Appleton.
