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Wizaard

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Regulator discussing going to collections on three days a week, saying 6 days is 'out of date'.

How does that square with all the other privatised services delivering 7 days a week? Are they all out of date?

Madness and another step to further privatisation by the back door.

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Royal Mail could deliver on three days, regulator says

A report from the regulator has laid out options to save the UK's postal service money.
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My post comes 3 days a week as was illustrated at Christmas. It arrived in batches every other day. It’s hit and miss at the moment. Sometimes first class is next day but it can take several
 
Wizaard said:
Regulator discussing going to collections on three days a week, saying 6 days is 'out of date'.

How does that square with all the other privatised services delivering 7 days a week? Are they all out of date?

Madness and another step to further privatisation by the back door.

www.bbc.co.uk

Royal Mail could deliver on three days, regulator says

A report from the regulator has laid out options to save the UK's postal service money.
www.bbc.co.uk
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This goes back to privatisation of the GPO

Splitting BT off; at a time when technological innovation was on the horizon meant that Royal Mail was almost a legacy industry - we could have had universal emails, universal internet access integrated telehealth, government gateway schemes etc etc etc run at a profit for the benefit of everyone.
 
My Dad and my Uncle will both be turning in their graves.
Both long service Postmen in Blackpool before and after WW2.😞
 
Three days a week is fine by me.

Pretty much everything comes digitally these days anyway.

Why are loads of people always against change even though it makes sense a lot of the time?
 
Wizaard said:
Regulator discussing going to collections on three days a week, saying 6 days is 'out of date'.

How does that square with all the other privatised services delivering 7 days a week? Are they all out of date?

Madness and another step to further privatisation by the back door.

www.bbc.co.uk

Royal Mail could deliver on three days, regulator says

A report from the regulator has laid out options to save the UK's postal service money.
www.bbc.co.uk
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The difference is Royal Mail actually deliver rather than playing "Knock A Door, Run" like Amazon or chucking it over the garden wall like the other courier services (or someone else's garden wall if it's Evri)
 
April13th1970 said:
The difference is Royal Mail actually deliver rather than playing "Knock A Door, Run" like Amazon or chucking it over the garden wall like the other courier services (or someone else's garden wall if it's Evri)
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Good point. We had a parcel for next door delivered last night.

I dropped it off and they had had an email saying that they had signed for it.

Because of that they had no idea where it was.
 
I wish all parcel companies would cut down the amount of days they deliver.

You have people getting something as small as a toothbrush for example off Amazon delivered, then next day the toothpaste how's that good for the environment.
 
seasideone said:
Three days a week is fine by me.

Pretty much everything comes digitally these days anyway.
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Apart from all the stuff from Amazon, and the other internet retailers, and most bricks and mortar retailers being majority on line and delivery, and the supermarkets, and the restaurants and fast food outlets.
 
Wizaard said:
Regulator discussing going to collections on three days a week, saying 6 days is 'out of date'.

How does that square with all the other privatised services delivering 7 days a week? Are they all out of date?

Madness and another step to further privatisation by the back door.

www.bbc.co.uk

Royal Mail could deliver on three days, regulator says

A report from the regulator has laid out options to save the UK's postal service money.
www.bbc.co.uk
Click to expand...
Isnt Royal Mail still the last mile deliverer for most rural areas for the major privatised delivery firms.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
Apart from all the stuff from Amazon, and the other internet retailers, and most bricks and mortar retailers being majority on line and delivery, and the supermarkets, and the restaurants and fast food outlets.
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There is nothing stopping the Royal Mail doing Amazon deliveries etc

….but we simply do not need letters delivered every day.
 
basilexile said:
Having done a lot of work for Royal Mail as a private contractor, sadly the biggest issue is union power. Their leaders live in a time warp.
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I understand where you're coming from, however the issue of delivery and how many times a week the business want to do it is down to the people running it. The union are trying to keep the Universal Obligation Service (Delivery to every address in the country, 6 days a week for a fixed price irrespective of distance).
But I do agree to some extent the Union have some out of date and old fashion working practices they don't want rid of. Even enquiries about part time work and job sharing aren't liked by the Union as all they seem to want is to protect full time duties.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
Isnt Royal Mail still the last mile deliverer for most rural areas for the major privatised delivery firms.
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Correct, I'll go to a firm and pick up mail however the majority of mail ready to be sent mostly tracked 48 will be picked up by Whistle and taken direct to a mail centre to be processed, despatched and delivered by us. The items picked up by Whistle will get in the system a day later than the stuff I've collected and took back to the mail centre. As Whistle only pick up and drop the mail off to us every item is a £1 cheaper and Royal Mail get the flack for any delays or damage to that post. You will buy something off ebay and the seller will post it Royal Mail tracked. You will then see the postman deliver it and think from A to B its been handled by us not knowing the first part of the items journey was undertaken by another firm and not Royal Mail.
Once the then government gave the green light for this way of working the writing was on the wall.
 
seasideone said:
There is nothing stopping the Royal Mail doing Amazon deliveries etc

….but we simply do not need letters delivered every day.
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Then what happens when there are urgent official documents, that will only be accepted in paper form, or urgent legal documents that can only be accepted in paper form. It's an extreme, but those would then end up in the hands of the private (mostly foreign delivery companies). nobody really sends letters anymore, but the principles of universal service obligation are good things.

Refuse collection was once (in the UK) a daily thing. In most places its now once a week once, every two weeks, and there are limits on what you can put in the garbage under threat of penalty notices. The result, major urban areas have plagues of rats, and other vermin. The direct result of privatisation and profitisation. It's back door privatisation, limit their activities, private companies move in on anything worth doing, RM gets cut to the bone and eventually there is no need at all for the RM, and then in pursuit of profit eventually anyone living marginally outside of a very urban area will lose any service or be charged through the teeth for it. Then at the same time ability to travel into a city or major urban centre is restricted by congestion or enviro charges or just a lack of public transport access.
 
Privatisation ruined it, obviously, like 99% of services.

Can anyone name a public service that's benefited from it?
 
Seasider1 said:
Correct, I'll go to a firm and pick up mail however the majority of mail ready to be sent mostly tracked 48 will be picked up by Whistle and taken direct to a mail centre to be processed, despatched and delivered by us. The items picked up by Whistle will get in the system a day later than the stuff I've collected and took back to the mail centre. As Whistle only pick up and drop the mail off to us every item is a £1 cheaper and Royal Mail get the flack for any delays or damage to that post. You will buy something off ebay and the seller will post it Royal Mail tracked. You will then see the postman deliver it and think from A to B its been handled by us not knowing the first part of the items journey was undertaken by another firm and not Royal Mail.
Once the then government gave the green light for this way of working the writing was on the wall.
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part of the strategy to undermine trust in the RM and hence make selling off the only option.
 
Wizaard said:
Regulator discussing going to collections on three days a week, saying 6 days is 'out of date'.

How does that square with all the other privatised services delivering 7 days a week? Are they all out of date?

Madness and another step to further privatisation by the back door.

www.bbc.co.uk

Royal Mail could deliver on three days, regulator says

A report from the regulator has laid out options to save the UK's postal service money.
www.bbc.co.uk
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I believe they’re talking about letters specifically, not parcels. Royal Mail is pretty much the only provider of letter delivery and it’s enforced on it as it is the universal service provider. If you’re a private letter company (thinking UK mail or Whistl) I think you still use Royal Mail to deliver your letters (I don’t know how those companies work really).

Letter volumes have plummeted in the 10 or so years that RM has been privatised (I think halved) whilst parcel volumes have grown. Royal Mail basically want to reduce their obligations as the UK’s USP so they can become more of a parcel company and compete with the other parcel companies, but the letters business is just hampering them atm.

Not really arguing for or against their proposals, but I can see where they’re coming from to an extent. The market is changing and now it’s a private entity it needs to be able to adapt or government needs to assist them if they want them to keep operating what is essentially an unprofitable public service.
 
BWseasider said:
I believe they’re talking about letters specifically, not parcels. Royal Mail is pretty much the only provider of letter delivery and it’s enforced on it as it is the universal service provider. If you’re a private letter company (thinking UK mail or Whistl) I think you still use Royal Mail to deliver your letters (I don’t know how those companies work really).

Letter volumes have plummeted in the 10 or so years that RM has been privatised (I think halved) whilst parcel volumes have grown. Royal Mail basically want to reduce their obligations as the UK’s USP so they can become more of a parcel company and compete with the other parcel companies, but the letters business is just hampering them atm.

Not really arguing for or against their proposals, but I can see where they’re coming from to an extent. The market is changing and now it’s a private entity it needs to be able to adapt or government needs to assist them if they want them to keep operating what is essentially an unprofitable public service.
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It's a private entity owned by us, the taxpayer.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
Then what happens when there are urgent official documents, that will only be accepted in paper form, or urgent legal documents that can only be accepted in paper form. It's an extreme, but those would then end up in the hands of the private (mostly foreign delivery companies). nobody really sends letters anymore, but the principles of universal service obligation are good things.

Refuse collection was once (in the UK) a daily thing. In most places it’s now once a week once, every two weeks, and there are limits on what you can put in the garbage under threat of penalty notices. The result, major urban areas have plagues of rats, and other vermin. The direct result of privatisation and profitisation. It's back door privatisation, limit their activities, private companies move in on anything worth doing, RM gets cut to the bone and eventually there is no need at all for the RM, and then in pursuit of profit eventually anyone living marginally outside of a very urban area will lose any service or be charged through the teeth for it. Then at the same time ability to travel into a city or major urban centre is restricted by congestion or enviro charges or just a lack of public transport access.
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If a document is that urgent I wouldn’t trust Royal Mail anyway!
 
Dropping Saturday is a no no. No problem in dropping the daily post on, say a Wednesday, given letters half reduced 50% in the last 10 years, I think I saw 10.

Parcels should be 6 days, if not 7 if the PO wants to compete.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Did you order some beige chinos and a striped Rugby shirt once
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No - I’ll admit to a denim shirt & some pants, but even so the torrents of marketing stuff I receive seems a tad out of proportion.

Yes - I guess I could maybe ‘unsubscribe’ - but then how am I going to know the best time to buy a denim shirt and/or some pants going forward??

Modern life is so complicated….🤣😉
 
fcblackpool said:
Dropping Saturday is a no no. No problem in dropping the daily post on, say a Wednesday, given letters half reduced 50% in the last 10 years, I think I saw 10.

Parcels should be 6 days, if not 7 if the PO wants to compete.
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Thats exactly what Royal Mail want. Profitable parcels 7 days/week and later deliveries, just not letters on the same basis.
 
If they go ahead to the 3 days a week delivery how will that affect the current Postmen etc?
Will they just get 3 days pay per week on the same hourly pay that they are on now/?
 
Davepick said:
If they go ahead to the 3 days a week delivery how will that affect the current Postmen etc?
Will they just get 3 days pay per week on the same hourly pay that they are on
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Half will go and the others will do two routes on alternate days.
 
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