This bloody formation debate.

BFC4EVA said:
Was definately 5 at the back today
Looked like 5-2-3
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Still shite as per usual. Defenders not taking responsibility and not in line with each other. Our away form in the league will carry on whilst we play this formation. It's nothing short of pathetic.

Rinse and repeat from October/November time.
 
Nothing up with the formation
However the W/B#s should be regarded as F/B's i.e right footed right left footed left
A full back who can attack being preferred to a forward trying to defend
 
personally according to my chess engine we played the critchovic double reverse queen rook hit them hard gasme. just saying
 
Can we return to this debate please because this obsession against the current formation once again comes to prominence following another disappointing defeat and poor performance.
If Critch had played 4-4-2 what would have happened differently?
We'd have started with pretty much the same 11 with the exception of CJ who the traditionalists would have had on the left.
In fact with the departure of Dale we haven't actually got a right footed RW but maybe we could play a Gabriel/Lyons combo?
So the team could have been:
Grimmy
Gabriel Penninton/Casey/Eky (no left footed CB) Husband
Lyons ?? Norburn Morgan Coulson/Dembele/CJ
Joseph Kouassi/Lavery
Would the same players in that formation have played any better?
What would they have done differently?
What different positions would they have taken up on the pitch?
The argument appears to be that 3-5-2 is too defensive.
I recall Hubby over-lapping Coulson countless times yesterday.
If we re-catorgarise Hubby as as FB can he still do that?
If Coulson is a LW does that mean he doesn't have to defend?
The problem isn't the formation, it's the performance of the players. Yesterday it simply wasn't quite good enough.
 
I wrote a thread about this earlier this morning but for some reason the mods haven’t posted it (yet)
Arsenal v Liverpool yesterday, both started 4-3-3 and within 10 minutes there were 8 players with a 10 square metre area all going for the same ball which left the back exposed.
At times Arsenal had just one sole defender back whilst the others pressed forward. There were times in the match where you could clearly see the 4-3-3 formation but that was far less than the random play
Like most teams when the ball is played down the left everyone is dragged over leaving acres of space od the right and vice versa when the ball was played down the right.
When players are hunting the ball the system goes out of the window but, by comparison to the lower divisions the top players have the skill and stamina to deliver the goods.
I have always advocated that an experienced, professional footballer should be able to play anywhere within reason and do a good job.
There are certain posters on here who will slag the selection and formation off before we have kicked a ball and then whether win, lose or draw will still slag the system off
To me they are using it as a stick to beat CRitch with
If we have a bad day then look at the players occasionally instead of blaming everything on the manager.
 
Matesrates said:
It’s pretty simple; you’re a winger, you’re a central defender, you’re a striker, play there
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With respect I think that's a rather old-fashioned view and that's coming from someone that is rather old (but still very fashionable 😁)
The Dutch put an end to that in the 1970s.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
The formation is crap itself but made worse that we don't have the players to play it well.
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Its not if played correctly and a lot of teams play it. the players will know the formation/system inside out, will all have our own opinions on whether the players are good enough, personally i think they are and IMO we are not to far away from being a good side but time will tell.
 
Loved a Saturday afternoon where players wore 1-11 and a 4-4-2 from both sides made it a competitive and entertaining game.
All these Opta stats etc aren't helping the game. I see better football on the local parks where as someone above says everyone knows their place.
My main problem with Critch's formation is how many steps it takes for us to score a goal. Keep it simple. It's League One and not the Champions League!!
 
BFCfan33 said:
Its not if played correctly and a lot of teams play it. the players will know the formation/system inside out, will all have our own opinions on whether the players are good enough, personally i think they are and IMO we are not to far away from being a good side but time will tell.
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I can only judge what I see currently and it's a joke. We are handicapped before the game has even started away from home.
 
Formations are one thing, but the quality of players, their movement and finishing are more important for me.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
I can only judge what I see currently and it's a joke. We are handicapped before the game has even started away from home.
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Fair enough that's your opinion and i respect that, I do put a lot of onus on the players for performances not the manager they will be well drilled into the formation etc, IMO I think the last two games we have been unlucky with the own goals but as they say you make your own luck.
How have we been handicapped?
 
With all this formation debate are we missing the fact that there seems to be a real shortage of 'fire in the belly,' from many of those involved. When you are down, have a go. Sadly lacking in this side, apart from the FA Cup game.
 
basilexile said:
With all this formation debate are we missing the fact that there seems to be a real shortage of 'fire in the belly,' from many of those involved. When you are down, have a go. Sadly lacking in this side, apart from the FA Cup game.
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We saw how good this squad can be when they have the added motivation of Premier League opposition and TV cameras.
 
Coming to this a little late I think...One point I'd make (again) is that whatever you make of the formation/system, it's hard not to feel that we're regularly playing people in positions that don't suit their strengths. And re the players having the fire in the belly, I think that can be questioned of them as a group. Last Saturday was a great example of this. Too many times the Stevenage players tried to bully and intimidate and there was never any sort of collective responsibility to get round them and stand up for each other. That's not a good sign.
 
I think the best way to determine our formation is to actually go to a game, you don't always get the whole picture on TV, and look where the players are on the pitch.
Numbers such as 4-3-3, 3-5-3 or whatever don't tell the whole story.
 
straightatthewall said:
Coming to this a little late I think...One point I'd make (again) is that whatever you make of the formation/system, it's hard not to feel that we're regularly playing people in positions that don't suit their strengths. And re the players having the fire in the belly, I think that can be questioned of them as a group. Last Saturday was a great example of this. Too many times the Stevenage players tried to bully and intimidate and there was never any sort of collective responsibility to get round them and stand up for each other. That's not a good sign.
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We are definitely too passive. Lots of nice, easy going types. You need a mix of characters in a squad, surely. A core of players hell bent on winning, who push and talk.

2007 - Jackson Barker evatt, Southern Jorgensen Hoolahan Morrell

2010 - Crainey evatt Coleman Southern Adam GTF Ormerod

2021 - Ballard Stewart Yates
 
voyeur said:
We are definitely too passive. Lots of nice, easy going types. You need a mix of characters in a squad, surely. A core of players hell bent on winning, who push and talk.

2007 - Jackson Barker evatt, Southern Jorgensen Hoolahan Morrell

2010 - Crainey evatt Coleman Southern Adam GTF Ormerod

2021 - Ballard Stewart Yates
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Yep. Fully agree.
 
BFCfan33 said:
So what formation would you pick and why? and also the team for that formation?
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It's not hard. Well it is for Critchley.

--------Grimshaw
Gabriel-Ekpiteta-Casey-Husband
---Byers-Norburn-Morgan
--Dembele-Rhodes-Joseph

- Players familiar with roles
- Try and dominate the midfield
- Less emphasis on this crappy idea of transition play.
- Far more flexible. Could play Dembele in AMC and bring in CJ.
- Cover in every defendive position and more importantly in their normal positions; Lyons, Pennington, Coulson, etc
 
Whatever formation Critchley uses, the biggest issue seems to be a reluctance to change it / adapt mid game !! We just plod away with the same strategy (in away games). Having said that we had opportunities in the game at Stevenage … Gabriel blasting the ball into the roof of the stand when he was running into the box & Husband having a great opportunity to shoot but choosing to try to pass spring to mind
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
It's not hard. Well it is for Critchley.

--------Grimshaw
Gabriel-Ekpiteta-Casey-Husband
---Byers-Norburn-Morgan
--Dembele-Rhodes-Joseph

- Players familiar with roles
- Try and dominate the midfield
- Less emphasis on this crappy idea of transition play.
- Far more flexible. Could play Dembele in AMC and bring in CJ.
- Cover in every defendive position and more importantly in their normal positions; Lyons, Pennington, Coulson, etc
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Fair enough i see your points and reasoning, i just feel we are lacking something with that team like pace and outlets it looks solid enough, i don't know just my opinion
 
Robbosa said:
Whatever formation Critchley uses, the biggest issue seems to be a reluctance to change it / adapt mid game !! We just plod away with the same strategy (in away games). Having said that we had opportunities in the game at Stevenage … Gabriel blasting the ball into the roof of the stand when he was running into the box & Husband having a great opportunity to shoot but choosing to try to pass spring to mind
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Can i put a question out there and this is no way aimed at you Robbosa but how many people on this site and in the ground would know or notice if he had changed a formation or tweaked something during a game. IMO i would say a few but not many.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
It's not hard. Well it is for Critchley.

--------Grimshaw
Gabriel-Ekpiteta-Casey-Husband
---Byers-Norburn-Morgan
--Dembele-Rhodes-Joseph

- Players familiar with roles
- Try and dominate the midfield
- Less emphasis on this crappy idea of transition play.
- Far more flexible. Could play Dembele in AMC and bring in CJ.
- Cover in every defendive position and more importantly in their normal positions; Lyons, Pennington, Coulson, etc
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Remember that is only you view other people will think differently
 
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