Wonder what Sadler is thinking?

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Superbretty

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He’s a businessman and his football business is underperforming.
He’s sacked Grayson and Appleton and McCarthy left my mutual consent, so he’s not afraid to make a change.
Is Critchley in the firing line?
 
If he has tangerine blood, it'll be boiling after tonight's display. Obviously we want our owner to be measured and see the bigger picture but at times I also want him to be ruthless and set a tone for what he expects. Tonight doesn't surprise me, we've been awful pretty much all season away from home. Away to 2nd bottom and within 10mins I knew we'd lose, that speaks volumes.
 
Put it this way if he carries on and we’ve still got Critchley in charge when STs are up for renewal he might be in for a shock as l can see a lot not renewing, and SS should see this as his number 1 risk and mitigate it! Yet again we took a great number of fans on a shitty night and served up that bollox again, you don’t treat your customers like that!
 
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NewburyOne said:
If he has tangerine blood, it'll be boiling after tonight's display. Obviously we want our owner to be measured and see the bigger picture but at times I also want him to be ruthless and set a tone for what he expects. Tonight doesn't surprise me, we've been awful pretty much all season away from home. Away to 2nd bottom and within 10mins I knew we'd lose, that speaks volumes.
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That’s the really disappointing thing, we don’t expect to win away at Cheltenham, Burton, Port Vale, etc
 
I can’t imagine he’ll be turning cartwheels. His intentions were undoubtedly good But…..

He’s done a load of personal dough and will continue to do so unless team does better or he finds a buyer

His team are doing pretty poorly

Crowds are poor

He’s getting bad stick on here, which he reads all the time (fact) which he won’t like, he’s only human

He has had a succession of poor mangerial appts

It’s a distraction from his core business

But things can change …with the right manger
 
no9 said:
That’s the really disappointing thing, we don’t expect to win away at Cheltenham, Burton, Port Vale, etc
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That's because people base it on the current team and performances not some ridiculous elitist attitude that we used to berate other clubs for.
 
OneStepBeyond said:
That's because people base it on the current team and performances not some ridiculous elitist attitude that we used to berate other clubs for.
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And that’s why it’s very disappointing. If the players are not good enough then that’s down to the recruitment team. Buying Beesley and Kouassi says it all.
 
Superbretty said:
He’s a businessman and his football business is underperforming.
He’s sacked Grayson and Appleton and McCarthy left my mutual consent, so he’s not afraid to make a change.
Is Critchley in the firing line?
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I don't think he had any real relationship with those 3 managers.
There is no doubt he has a connection with Critchley as does everyone at the club.
I think Critchley will blame the players and buy more time.
 
Superbretty said:
He’s a businessman and his football business is underperforming.
He’s sacked Grayson and Appleton and McCarthy left my mutual consent, so he’s not afraid to make a change.
Is Critchley in the firing line?
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Is he not afraid to make a change? He sacked Appleton two months too late and not long after we’d completed a transfer window geared towards bringing in players to suit his style. Then McCarthy left by mutual consent, not sacked, only when we were all but confirmed as down.

Let’s be real here, sacking Critchley now would not be a knee jerk reaction - the away performances all season have been unacceptable. But realistically there’s no chance he’s going to be sacked.
 
The core problem we have is that our owner is well intentioned but doesn't know what he's doing, and doesn't really trust anybody else to make decisions either. He employs various men in suits but I'm not sure he knows how to select those people either, and ultimately he doesn't seem to trust them to make key decisions anyway. Expensive administrators, money burned.

The last thing a football club needs is changes of manager every few months. But he keeps making decisions based on fear and ignorance and returning to square one. No club owner should need to make a video in which he holds up a dossier which proves beyond doubt that the latest appointment is the correct one. It's a nonsense. I hope he didn't actually waste good money paying someone to write that dossier.

Buying a football club is rarely a smart move, given everything you have to contend with, including the attitude and behaviour of quite a few football supporters. Unless the money involved is pretty inconsequential to the owner, who stands to benefit from the platform and profile obtained. And I 'm not sure there will be much interest in stepping into Sadler's shoes. Owning BFC doesn't look very attractive. Sadler leaving could easily make things worse. Repeating what Belokon did is highly unlikely, without a major investor, so let's not live as if it should happen. It partly happened because nobody believed it could.

As much as I was a fan of NC first time I was amazed he was brought back, it was such a weak decision. Desperate really. Stop looking backwards Simon. Find a model that allows young coaches like Dobbie to develop with the guidance of an experienced mentor, as Critch did first time. If they move on to bigger things, don't take them back when they fail, especially if they just vanished in a puff of smoke at the first opportunity. Keep moving forwards. There was nothing to lose by giving Dobbie an opportunity to show what he could do this season. It would have been far more interesting.
 
voyeur said:
The core problem we have is that our owner is well intentioned but doesn't know what he's doing, and doesn't really trust anybody else to make decisions either. He employs various men in suits but I'm not sure he knows how to select those people either, and ultimately he doesn't seem to trust them to make key decisions anyway. Expensive administrators, money burned.

The last thing a football club needs is changes of manager every few months. But he keeps making decisions based on fear and ignorance and returning to square one. No club owner should need to make a video in which he holds up a dossier which proves beyond doubt that the latest appointment is the correct one. It's a nonsense. I hope he didn't actually waste good money paying someone to write that dossier.

Buying a football club is rarely a smart move, given everything you have to contend with, including the attitude and behaviour of quite a few football supporters. Unless the money involved is pretty inconsequential to the owner, who stands to benefit from the platform and profile obtained. And I 'm not sure there will be much interest in stepping into Sadler's shoes. Owning BFC doesn't look very attractive. Sadler leaving could easily make things worse. Repeating what Belokon did is highly unlikely, without a major investor, so let's not live as if it should happen. It partly happened because nobody believed it could.

As much as I was a fan of NC first time I was amazed he was brought back, it was such a weak decision. Desperate really. Stop looking backwards Simon. Find a model that allows young coaches like Dobbie to develop with the guidance of an experienced mentor, as Critch did first time. If they move on to bigger things, don't take them back when they fail, especially if they just vanished in a puff of smoke at the first opportunity. Keep moving forwards. There was nothing to lose by giving Dobbie an opportunity to show what he could do this season. It would have been far more interesting.
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Excellent post.
 
Rhodes is very good, my point about Beesley was that I didn’t think it was an ambitious signing.
 
voyeur said:
The core problem we have is that our owner is well intentioned but doesn't know what he's doing, and doesn't really trust anybody else to make decisions either. He employs various men in suits but I'm not sure he knows how to select those people either, and ultimately he doesn't seem to trust them to make key decisions anyway. Expensive administrators, money burned.

The last thing a football club needs is changes of manager every few months. But he keeps making decisions based on fear and ignorance and returning to square one. No club owner should need to make a video in which he holds up a dossier which proves beyond doubt that the latest appointment is the correct one. It's a nonsense. I hope he didn't actually waste good money paying someone to write that dossier.

Buying a football club is rarely a smart move, given everything you have to contend with, including the attitude and behaviour of quite a few football supporters. Unless the money involved is pretty inconsequential to the owner, who stands to benefit from the platform and profile obtained. And I 'm not sure there will be much interest in stepping into Sadler's shoes. Owning BFC doesn't look very attractive. Sadler leaving could easily make things worse. Repeating what Belokon did is highly unlikely, without a major investor, so let's not live as if it should happen. It partly happened because nobody believed it could.

As much as I was a fan of NC first time I was amazed he was brought back, it was such a weak decision. Desperate really. Stop looking backwards Simon. Find a model that allows young coaches like Dobbie to develop with the guidance of an experienced mentor, as Critch did first time. If they move on to bigger things, don't take them back when they fail, especially if they just vanished in a puff of smoke at the first opportunity. Keep moving forwards. There was nothing to lose by giving Dobbie an opportunity to show what he could do this season. It would have been far more interesting.
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Great post.

I’ve no doubt that SS has been poorly advised. But that stems from only having poor advice available. You need more than some analytics-based dossier.
When a fan with no football experience buys a club, he needs wise football counsel close to hand.
And right now the only person SS has who appears to fit that bill is the CEO, Julian Winter. What opinion is he offering? Is he being asked for an opinion?

The football industry is weird, I can’t think of another where the top management would mostly have zero experience.
An engineering company or an ad agency would have engineers or ad people in charge.

But I suppose most ex-players and coaches want to be out there “on the grass” rather than near a boardroom, so suitable candidates are in short supply.
Which is why someone like SS needs to make the most of the real world experience available to him. And try to obtain more of it, different voices.
And please, please, listen to football people before appointing a manager.
 
voyeur said:
The core problem we have is that our owner is well intentioned but doesn't know what he's doing, and doesn't really trust anybody else to make decisions either. He employs various men in suits but I'm not sure he knows how to select those people either, and ultimately he doesn't seem to trust them to make key decisions anyway. Expensive administrators, money burned.

The last thing a football club needs is changes of manager every few months. But he keeps making decisions based on fear and ignorance and returning to square one. No club owner should need to make a video in which he holds up a dossier which proves beyond doubt that the latest appointment is the correct one. It's a nonsense. I hope he didn't actually waste good money paying someone to write that dossier.

Buying a football club is rarely a smart move, given everything you have to contend with, including the attitude and behaviour of quite a few football supporters. Unless the money involved is pretty inconsequential to the owner, who stands to benefit from the platform and profile obtained. And I 'm not sure there will be much interest in stepping into Sadler's shoes. Owning BFC doesn't look very attractive. Sadler leaving could easily make things worse. Repeating what Belokon did is highly unlikely, without a major investor, so let's not live as if it should happen. It partly happened because nobody believed it could.

As much as I was a fan of NC first time I was amazed he was brought back, it was such a weak decision. Desperate really. Stop looking backwards Simon. Find a model that allows young coaches like Dobbie to develop with the guidance of an experienced mentor, as Critch did first time. If they move on to bigger things, don't take them back when they fail, especially if they just vanished in a puff of smoke at the first opportunity. Keep moving forwards. There was nothing to lose by giving Dobbie an opportunity to show what he could do this season. It would have been far more interesting.
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Quality post 👍
 
Problem is - if he is a stubborn chap… he won’t want to admit he has failed … and so will stick with the manager .

I just hope he was in attendance last night to witness it
 
Watched first 3 episodes of Sunderland till i die series 3 yesterday and was interesting to listen to Simon Jordan on it talking about Sunderlands new owner and how he will need the right people advising him as a 23 year old very rich man, basically football as a business is totally different to any other business. I am afraid Simon Sadler has not been surrounded by the right people and been badly advised especially with regards appointing managers.
 
He needs to get on the phone to Gary Bowyer. Nice man with a bit of steel, experience with youth
 
no9 said:
And that’s why it’s very disappointing. If the players are not good enough then that’s down to the recruitment team. Buying Beesley and Kouassi says it all.
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very poor recruiting by the Headmaster by not spending money on bringing the right players in to the club Sadler was hoping that the headmaster would be able to get free transfer players in and develop these players which simply has not happened and the only youth player who is good enough to play for us is Apter who is presently out on loan,the club is a total shambles from start to finish.
 
TommyHutch said:
I think it’s unfair to say he’s not bothered. As others have said though he needs to be more ruthless - if someone was underperforming in his financial business they’d be out. The football club should be no different.
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Your right .. that was an immediate response after last night… however his lack of communication over the last 18 months or so is concerning
 
Toastrack said:
Great post.

I’ve no doubt that SS has been poorly advised. But that stems from only having poor advice available. You need more than some analytics-based dossier.
When a fan with no football experience buys a club, he needs wise football counsel close to hand.
And right now the only person SS has who appears to fit that bill is the CEO, Julian Winter. What opinion is he offering? Is he being asked for an opinion?

The football industry is weird, I can’t think of another where the top management would mostly have zero experience.
An engineering company or an ad agency would have engineers or ad people in charge.

But I suppose most ex-players and coaches want to be out there “on the grass” rather than near a boardroom, so suitable candidates are in short supply.
Which is why someone like SS needs to make the most of the real world experience available to him. And try to obtain more of it, different voices.
And please, please, listen to football people before appointing a manager.
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and how do these ceo get the appointments in the first place. . what was his background . had he had this role before.
 
Lythamkev said:
very poor recruiting by the Headmaster by not spending money on bringing the right players in to the club Sadler was hoping that the headmaster would be able to get free transfer players in and develop these players which simply has not happened and the only youth player who is good enough to play for us is Apter who is presently out on loan,the club is a total shambles from start to finish.
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Rob Apter along with Cj will be sold in the summer.Unless we have a new owner at the helm,anyone got Denis Bergkamps agents number.
 
Reappointing NC indicates some basic lack of understanding of football and its customers, especially if, as an owner, you're prepared to play a long game in terms of improving your clubs overall position. And I've no reason to doubt that Simon Sadler wants to do that.

The problem is that NC was NEVER going to be given time by supporters because he buggered off and left us in the brown stuff. I'd be willing to bet good money that a totally new gaffer wouldn't be getting anywhere near as much heat from supporters because he'd still have some goodwill in the bank to allow for bumps in the road.

Simon Sadler would do well to understand that the mindset of your average football supporter is totally irrational, ignorant to the realities of running a football club and unwilling to even consider the notion that there are 23 other competitors in the race they want to win. He may feel that it's absurd to 'play' to such logic, but from a business perspective it's probably the smarter choice than trying to get supporters to think differently. It's never happened before for any club and I don't see it starting with us.
 
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