Sadlers hedge fund

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Not going to pretend I know anything about hedge funds or investment but came across this article today 👀
uk.finance.yahoo.com

Segantii Hedge Fund Assets Shrank by $1 Billion Since March

(Bloomberg) -- Simon Sadler’s Segantii Capital Management Ltd. saw its hedge fund assets shrink by 18% since last March amid investment losses and redemptions, said people familiar with the matter.Most Read from BloombergLargest Covid Vaccine Study Yet Finds Links to Health ConditionsCapital One...
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Does mention interest rates and such.
Probably just one of those things that no one is immune to. People holding money close at the moment...

Still seems to be relatively giant, compared to other funds
 
can someone explain in thick man’s terms how hedge funds work?
With billions mentioned why aren’t we seeing investment ?
 
Seasidestevo71 said:
can someone explain in thick man’s terms how hedge funds work?
With billions mentioned why aren’t we seeing investment ?
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It's a fairly sophisticated form of betting, really. You spend a lot of time assessing market conditions and taking positions that are likely to generate income for your clients. You need good analytical skills and a willingness to take calculated risks. And if you do it well, you not only earn your flat management fees you can also earn a lot of money in the form of performance bonuses.

The "billions " you have mentioned don't belong personally to the hedge fund manager. So in our case, they are not Mr. Sadler's to invest in our football club, and he would be in very hot water if he ever tried it. Which he won't.
 
Seasidestevo71 said:
can someone explain in thick man’s terms how hedge funds work?
With billions mentioned why aren’t we seeing investment ?
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Sadler invests other people's money and takes a cut. What percentage of the fund is anyone's guess, could be anything from 1% to 10%. Sadlers net worth isn't broadcast, I've seen anything between £50M and £500M mentioned. It's a murky world, so you'd probably need to ask Simon. 😂
 
basilrobbie3 said:
It's a fairly sophisticated form of betting, really. You spend a lot of time assessing market conditions and taking positions that are likely to generate income for your clients. You need good analytical skills and a willingness to take calculated risks. And if you do it well, you not only earn your flat management fees you can also earn a lot of money in the form of performance bonuses.

The "billions " you have mentioned don't belong personally to the hedge fund manager. So in our case, they are not Mr. Sadler's to invest in our football club, and he would be in very hot water if he ever tried it. Which he won't.
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Just saved me about 10 mins sending something similar
 
NewburyOne said:
Sadler invests other people's money and takes a cut. What percentage of the fund is anyone's guess, could be anything from 1% to 10%. Sadlers net worth isn't broadcast, I've seen anything between £50M and £500M mentioned. It's a murky world, so you'd probably need to ask Simon. 😂
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Hi Simon, how much are you worth? I won’t tell anyone honest.
 
Sadler must take away a fair chunk in wages and bonuses. He is the CEO and founder isn't he of Segantii? Running a company worth nearly 6 billion last year, he must do alright..
 
I know they’re not related as such but for someone so calculated and risk taking his managerial appointments have been very safe.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So now we know why the training ground and east stand developments have gone quiet. 😞put it this way he has corpus amounts of money reading between the lines after having read that report but unfortunately he is not investing enough money in to our team as well as not recruiting the right manager he is obviously a ruthless hard faced business man by all accounts nothing surprises me especially owners of football clubs.
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A very brief explanation of a hedge fund. They invest in a variety of assets while hedging against losses by buying very cheap binary options against the assets they hold, a bet they will fail. A cunning plan that isn't as easy as it sounds.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
If you've read the thread, that is exactly what people are NOT saying.
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I read the important stuff like the hedge fund lost 1.1 billion in a very short space of time.
Coincidence the east stand and training ground have suddenly gone silent?
People may well not be saying it but it’s in the paperwork as they say.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I read the important stuff like the hedge fund lost 1.1 billion in a very short space of time.
Coincidence the east stand and training ground have suddenly gone silent?
People may well not be saying it but it’s in the paperwork as they say.
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It didn't lose $1.1bn.

Assets under management have reduced by $1.1bn due to fund withdrawels and negative growth. In the previous 13 years growth had been 12 % pa on average. This reduction will mean his profits for 2023 will be down but he will still be making a decent profit.
 
His company will earn a commission annually off the fund and from that he pays his company costs and pays out dividends to directors.

It will have impacted him on a personal level however it’s been a difficult 24 months for all hedge funds and equities. Likewise, recovery could be equally strong for them so Simon will be more than used to these fluctuations.

The article is clear that his hedge since inception has massively outperformed the market and only seen 2 loss years since 2007 (last year being one thanks to Geopolitical issues in China / region).

So if… if.. this has impacted him cash flow wise, the bounce back would then see him having excess cash flow on recovery. Works both ways
 
basilrobbie3 said:
It's a fairly sophisticated form of betting, really. You spend a lot of time assessing market conditions and taking positions that are likely to generate income for your clients. You need good analytical skills and a willingness to take calculated risks. And if you do it well, you not only earn your flat management fees you can also earn a lot of money in the form of performance bonuses.

The "billions " you have mentioned don't belong personally to the hedge fund manager. So in our case, they are not Mr. Sadler's to invest in our football club, and he would be in very hot water if he ever tried it. Which he won't.
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Perfect 👌
 
Segantii was only worth 3 billion when Simon Sadler bought the club.

So looking on the positive side, it has increased by 50% if its worth 4.5 billion.

I'm sure this would make Simon's own wealth greater than when he bought us

and it's his own wealth that's funding the football club.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I read the important stuff like the hedge fund lost 1.1 billion in a very short space of time.
Coincidence the east stand and training ground have suddenly gone silent?
People may well not be saying it but it’s in the paperwork as they say.
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F()cks sake...
 
The Merry Stripes said:
Segantii was only worth 3 billion when Simon Sadler bought the club.

So looking on the positive side, it has increased by 50% if its worth 4.5 billion.

I'm sure this would make Simon's own wealth greater than when he bought us

and it's his own wealth that's funding the football club.
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That’s not how it works.

Essentially Sadler owns the piggy bank not the money inside it. He just gets paid for letting people put their money in his pig.
 
65 & Counting said:
I'd like to think most know that but it's not unreasonable to suggest that his personal wealth may have also taken a dip.
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Money not being under management of the fund doesn’t mean the fund is losing money or has lost money - it does however mean it’s likely making less money (for now)
 
Maybe this is why he’s been all over this board of late under his pseudonym TheLuker giving any cint shit that may dare question his integrity🤔
 
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LA1 Seasider said:
Money not being under management of the fund doesn’t mean the fund is losing money or has lost money - it does however mean it’s likely making less money (for now)
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Tell me something I'm not already aware of!
There's little doubt that Sadler has cut back on the playing side as witnessed by watching that bunch of tripe tonight.
 
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