Macseasider
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Are you a one Party person?
Let's see.
Let's see.
Are you for life with "one political party" - Poll
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I cannot understand why some people only ever vote for the same party. Political parties are not like football teams where you choose one and stick with it for life. Party policies and manifestos change dramatically in their approach over time. So to blindly stick with one party irrespective of their policies makes no sense to me. I have voted for all the major parties over the course of numerous General Elections.
Grew up labour. Was chuffed when Blair got elected, twice even.
But then got his God complex and it was downhill from there...Brown, Milliband
then Corbyn 
. Went from the working mans party to a cult.
Thought Cameron was a dick, May weak, but I have warmed to Boris. Sure he has faults, but his heart is in the right place.
Tin hat on
But then got his God complex and it was downhill from there...Brown, Milliband
then Corbyn . Went from the working mans party to a cult.Thought Cameron was a dick, May weak, but I have warmed to Boris. Sure he has faults, but his heart is in the right place.
Tin hat on
Bedfordshire_Seasider
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Football teams change , one minute they are fantastic playing great football the next minute they are crap, but we stick with them, same with politics really
poolseasider
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After what has happened since the Brexit vote and everything that has followed we should bring in PR it works in other countries this two party system with one party just throwing grenades in and they can do no right is outdated and needs to change.
Lala
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braymarina
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Working class lad who has always voted labour....until Corbyn!
I have always voted Labour but like a large proportion of voters I realised it was moving too far to the left under Corbyn and its policies were not what people wanted. The Conservatives have taken Labour's traditional place in politics so I don't know where Labour can go from here.
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basilrobbie
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Intellectually, I can agree with most of that Archie. The trouble is that for me it transcends policies and is more about values and principles. Which leave me permanently on one side of the fence.
P t Barnum
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I ve always voted one way Labour ,but now like to look at things in the round cant takeover mccluskey hope hes gone soon
Bisphamtang
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Again always voted Labour but they were awful under Corbyn/McDonnell, really poor - can see why many turned away and agree Mccluskey needs bringing down a peg or two - way too much power within the Union and wider Labour movement
NB I'm on long term.member of UNITE
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Yep. That's for real and that's what happened at the polls.
1966_and_all_that
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Labour did move to the left, that is true. However, I think that an analysis of what "people" (in the widest, non-personal, sense), wanted is way more complicated than what you present. For me, the two big factors in the 2019 GE, were Corbyn himself and Labour's inability to nail a definite position about Brexit.
Labour gained masses of votes in 2017 with a very brave shift to the left. That shift was in social and economic policy and had nothing to do with the 'hard left' militant tendency. That leftward shift was needed and the 2019 election was not lost because of that, in itself. It is true that the Party's strategy in the election was hopeless, muddled and leaderless but that's a completely different thing.
As for the Conservative Party moving into Labour's "traditional place" in politics...geographically they have, with the fall of the red wall but politically, they're light years away. Under Johnson, Gove and the rest of the ERG extremists, they've moved to a populist far-right position. A position where truth is irrelevant, PR is king and bluster replaces policy. If you don't believe me, ask Ken Clarke, Heidi Allen, Dominic Grieve and all the other 'one-nation Tory centrists.
tangerinenotorange
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A fair assessment 1966. The tories did indeed consolidate their right wing stronghold, but that didn't win the election for them. I believe they did that by also capturing middle ground voters, which Labour failed to convince for the reasons you gave, namely Corbyn and Brexit. This makes Labour's position even more tenuous as nobody is certain as to what its policies now are. Much work to do to reverse their losses, that's for sure.
Chunkylad
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Always voted Labour after Blair was my first PM vote.
Then came the last general election and could not with all honesty back Corbyn and the crazy bunch.
I went for an independant as I equally could not trust what I saw in Number 10 on the run up to the election.
So that now makes me a floating voter I guess?
Then came the last general election and could not with all honesty back Corbyn and the crazy bunch.
I went for an independant as I equally could not trust what I saw in Number 10 on the run up to the election.
So that now makes me a floating voter I guess?
Rusty has posted on this topic a few times... I’m with his opinion. No fixed party, but a serious lack of viable alternatives.
The European Elections showed this... In terms of a huge percentage of the Electorate, were not solidly Labour or Tories, given a viable choice!
See Labour under Blair, or Corbyn too - To show we’re more than just a simplistic Blue V Red electorate now.
The European Elections showed this... In terms of a huge percentage of the Electorate, were not solidly Labour or Tories, given a viable choice!
See Labour under Blair, or Corbyn too - To show we’re more than just a simplistic Blue V Red electorate now.
Seasider1887
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Boris is as good as we have apart from Nigel Farage who doesn’t want the job.Grew up labour. Was chuffed when Blair got elected, twice even.
But then got his God complex and it was downhill from there...Brown, Milliband
Thought Cameron was a dick, May weak, but I have warmed to Boris. Sure he has faults, but his heart is in the right place.
Tin hat on
Treasonous May was a disgrace and did everything she could to stop Brexit.
1966_and_all_that
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I don't intend to pick an argument 1887 but Boris Johnson is woeful, dangerous and nowhere near "as good as we have." There are Tories I'd want in Government ahead of him. I know you can't be convinced that Labour would be better but I truthfully believe that that time Will come.
If you want to catch up on an overview of Johnson`s career (until 2010 or so) I can recommend "Just Boris - the irresistible rise of a political celebrity" by Sonia Purnell.
By halfway through you will be appalled at his complete lack of morality, his avarice, his duplicitous nature, and his relentless quest for self-advancement. By the end you will be fearing for the country should such a sociopath ever get to be PM.
As one work colleague says: "The closer you get to Boris the less you like him". It is a recurrent theme.
And I used to quite like him when he was Mayor of London...
Walthamstow_Seasider
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Anyway call me old fashioned but I'm just happy to vote for my MP who I happen to think works hard for the constituency and is doing a good job. If that changes then so may my vote.
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td53
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The problem is that if people will only vote for 'viable' parties then those options that do exist will never become viable as the main thing we think of when judging whether something is viable or otherwise is 'can they win?'
It's a catch 22.
Seasider1887
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Macseasider
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Macseasider
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As a comedic quiz panel member I quite liked Boris. It's where he belongs. He was even amusing on Top Gear a few years back as Mayor of London. Mind you even then when Clarkson pressured him on traffic tariffs he blustered and made a joke without answering.
As a Prime Minister I think he is the worst the UK has "ever" had and is a beacon for the shambolic farce of populist career MP's.
Which is a shame for all of us.
Anyway it's interesting that whilst not a statistically viable percentage only a tiny number of posters that voted are "one party" voters.
As a Prime Minister I think he is the worst the UK has "ever" had and is a beacon for the shambolic farce of populist career MP's.
Which is a shame for all of us.
Anyway it's interesting that whilst not a statistically viable percentage only a tiny number of posters that voted are "one party" voters.
Johnno
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Number of homeless persons - rising.
Number of food parcels handed out - rising.
Number of people living under the poverty line - rising.
Number of people in debt - rising.
Those cracks are getting wider.......
SecretMucker
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Football Lads Alliance is the way to go, would get thousands of votes all over the country.
Bisphamtang
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I think I have always voted Labour as lot of family were that way
Grandad trade unionist on the Clyde , lot of good came out of labour movement - NHS, equal opps and pay legislation ,health and safety at work etc
Also my political awakening came about during miners strike and with background music of the Jam,Clash, Billy Bragg ,two tone how could I vote Tory
However can send why people switched at last election
Grandad trade unionist on the Clyde , lot of good came out of labour movement - NHS, equal opps and pay legislation ,health and safety at work etc
Also my political awakening came about during miners strike and with background music of the Jam,Clash, Billy Bragg ,two tone how could I vote Tory
However can send why people switched at last election
deary
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Nice idea for a Poll Mac
I wouldve have said no but went for 'Wish there was a better alternative' I didnt even vote at the last election.
Not a decision i took lightly as I used to think not voting was sacrilege in a democracy.
Now if i dont feel they are worthy
choose to be a conscientious (or should that be more concious) objector
One important flaw though
BothK curious cats from the loony left and the reprehensible rancid right types wont admit to being one eyed pricks.
So they will not take part in this poll or discussion.
As such it will not be a true reflection.
I wouldve have said no but went for 'Wish there was a better alternative' I didnt even vote at the last election.
Not a decision i took lightly as I used to think not voting was sacrilege in a democracy.
Now if i dont feel they are worthy
choose to be a conscientious (or should that be more concious) objector
One important flaw though
Both
So they will not take part in this poll or discussion.
As such it will not be a true reflection.
See, youve gone straight into left labour mode. Criticism without solution.
Dont you understand what I said?? The vast majority of people dont fall into these categories, but they would vote for a party that offered real change, not one that offered to bankrupt the country.