Blackpool South By Election hustings - Thursday April 25that The Armfield Club 🍊👍

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To all sea-sea-Seasiders, AVFTT’ers and the good people of Blackpool …

This is your opportunity to question all the candidates.

Invites have been sent to and been received by all 9 candidates.

To date the candidates are :

Mark Butcher - Reform
Andrew Cregan - Liberal Democrat
Howling Laud Hope - OMRLP
David Jones - Conservative
Kim Knight - Alliance for Democracy and Freedom
Damon Sharp - New Organised Non-Political Leadership
Ben Thomas - Green
Chris Webb - Labour

The hustings will take a similar format to BBC’s Question Time.

The candidates will be instructed to answer all your questions directly and concisely.

All the candidates are there to be challenged and interrogated.

Whilst this by-election is important to the residents of Blackpool South …. for one of these candidates it is likely to be the biggest event in their political lives.

The successful individual will launch a Westminster career and have the great honour of becoming the next parliamentary representative for the fine people of Blackpool South.

Let’s get as many to attend as possible so you can all have your say deep in the beating heart of FY1 - Blackpool South.

The event starts at 7:00pm, it is open to everybody, there is no door charge and refreshments will be available.

Proceedings will be live streamed and recorded.

Please re-post on socials to get the word round 🙏
 
Blackpool_Rox said:
To all sea-sea-Seasiders, AVFTT’ers and the good people of Blackpool …

This is your opportunity to question all the candidates.

Invites have been sent to and been received by all 9 candidates.

To date the candidates are :

Mark Butcher - Reform
Andrew Cregan - Liberal Democrat
Howling Laud Hope - OMRLP
David Jones - Conservative
Kim Knight - Alliance for Democracy and Freedom
Damon Sharp - New Organised Non-Political Leadership
Ben Thomas - Green
Chris Webb - Labour

The hustings will take a similar format to BBC’s Question Time.

The candidates will be instructed to answer all your questions directly and concisely.

All the candidates are there to be challenged and interrogated.

Whilst this by-election is important to the residents of Blackpool South …. for one of these candidates it is likely to be the biggest event in their political lives.

The successful individual will launch a Westminster career and have the great honour of becoming the next parliamentary representative for the fine people of Blackpool South.

Let’s get as many to attend as possible so you can all have your say deep in the beating heart of FY1 - Blackpool South.

The event starts at 7:00pm, it is open to everybody, there is no door charge and refreshments will be available.

Proceedings will be live streamed and recorded.

Please re-post on socials to get the word round 🙏
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Is it true the Labour candidate is not coming to this event ? What is he scared of or did he have aprevious appointment 😒
 
Yes heard from his handler sorry, agent today by email - not particularly polite or helpful.

Left us hanging re their response to our invitation for two weeks 🤷‍♂️

After they had ignored the invite for a few days I did manage to speak with his agent. She wouldn’t confirm or deny if he had an appointment.

I explained that TAC was deep in FY1 a poor area of TGC (she’s not local, I was just trying to be helpful) and as Chris was who people wanted to question that we could easily move either side of the 25th to accommodate his PR obligations.

I did ask her if she could check if he had any appointment that night and she got very shirty.

Chris Webb is obviously going to win by a landslide. I can’t speak on his behalf as to why he or his team have chosen not to attend but it’s a poor show.

The Tory candidate didn’t show up at our 2015 election hustings (the Oyston Out years) but I honestly never thought Labour would duck it in 2024 like this. They turned out with supporters and councillors then.

Club members and FY1 locals who wanted to speak to their MP in waiting are disappointed.

A couple of Labour voters I’ve spoken with on hearing he declined the invite have said they won’t even bother voting now.

He’s gracing us with his presence at the Cricket Club tonight btw - he’s really looking forward to it according to his Twitter account.
 
Very disappointing that Chris Webb can't be arsed turning up.
This after I've had a number of canvassers knocking down my door telling me the 'local' lad was for 'local' issues and 'local' people 🤷

Looks like the non local agent is the tail wagging the dog, so would any serious local issues be heard in Westminster?

Email him that question Higgy and maybe we could hear his reply next Thursday or is he not allowed to answer his own emails either🤬
 
At the Cricket Club hustings tonight … 7 out of 9 candidates attending.

Running order for the 3 minute introductions …

Kim Knight - Alliance for Democracy and Freedom
Mark Butcher - Reform
Ben Thomas - Green
Andrew Cregan - Liberal Democrat
Chris Webb - Labour
David Jones - Conservative
Stephen Black - Independent

No Howling Laud Hope - OMRLP or
Damon Sharp from New Organised Non-Political Leadership … couldn’t be here tonight

Biggest applause for Labour and Reform - audience were kind to the young Green candidate.

Standing room only btw …

45 seconds to respond to questions.

Lot of focus on deprivation, housing, health service, cost of living crisis …

Talk of film studios from Mark Butcher and attacking Big Pharma from Stephen Black.

Will let you know if anything interesting happens … 😀
 
Wizzerboy said:
Very disappointing that Chris Webb can't be arsed turning up.
This after I've had a number of canvassers knocking down my door telling me the 'local' lad was for 'local' issues and 'local' people 🤷

Looks like the non local agent is the tail wagging the dog, so would any serious local issues be heard in Westminster?

Email him that question Higgy and maybe we could hear his reply next Thursday or is he not allowed to answer his own emails either🤬
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The only thing I've heard people say about him is... he's local, well so are many others. As a get out to an FB question he was saying that the Labour council had only had full control since 2023, wilfully ignoring the 10 years before 2021...

Apart from being local what does he have and what does he stand for?

Mark Butcher is local and seems far more impressive.

People really need to change from the Tories or Labour IMO, Reform are the only other party who will bring significant change and are actually getting or likely to get popular enough to get more than a handful voting for them, like the greens and the lib dems.
 
Blackpool_Rox said:
At the Cricket Club hustings tonight … 7 out of 9 candidates attending.

Running order for the 3 minute introductions …

Kim Knight - Alliance for Democracy and Freedom
Mark Butcher - Reform
Ben Thomas - Green
Andrew Cregan - Liberal Democrat
Chris Webb - Labour
David Jones - Conservative
Stephen Black - Independent

No Howling Laud Hope - OMRLP or
Damon Sharp from New Organised Non-Political Leadership … couldn’t be here tonight

Biggest applause for Labour and Reform - audience were kind to the young Green candidate.

Standing room only btw …

45 seconds to respond to questions.

Lot of focus on deprivation, housing, health service, cost of living crisis …

Talk of film studios from Mark Butcher and attacking Big Pharma from Stephen Black.

Will let you know if anything interesting happens … 😀
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Looked a very low quality debate based on the gazette video...

 
JJpool said:
The only thing I've heard people say about him is... he's local, well so are many others. As a get out to an FB question he was saying that the Labour council had only had full control since 2023, wilfully ignoring the 10 years before 2021...

Apart from being local what does he have and what does he stand for?

Mark Butcher is local and seems far more impressive.

People really need to change from the Tories or Labour IMO, Reform are the only other party who will bring significant change and are actually getting or likely to get popular enough to get more than a handful voting for them, like the greens and the lib dems.
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Agree with that - Blackpool South and the UK deserve more and we need a change.

A link below to our thoughts put to music from The Armfield - it’s a 2 Party Tyranny …

Two Party Tyranny


Let me know your thoughts - if you have a YouTube account please like 👍 and comment …

Cheers

IDFS 🤣 x
 
JJpool said:
The only thing I've heard people say about him is... he's local, well so are many others. As a get out to an FB question he was saying that the Labour council had only had full control since 2023, wilfully ignoring the 10 years before 2021...

Apart from being local what does he have and what does he stand for?

Mark Butcher is local and seems far more impressive.

People really need to change from the Tories or Labour IMO, Reform are the only other party who will bring significant change and are actually getting or likely to get popular enough to get more than a handful voting for them, like the greens and the lib dems.
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Nobody should change to Reform! It's a puppet show of a party. Don't be duped. Sad to see that Mark Butcher doesn't see what he's got into.

bylinetimes.com

Reform UK Limited: The Political Business Brought to You by Billionaires

Despite its wealthy backers and blanket media coverage, few have peered under the bonnet of Reform UK. It's time to take a look at its backers.
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Blackpool_Rox said:
Agree with that - Blackpool South and the UK deserve more and we need a change.

A link below to our thoughts put to music from The Armfield - it’s a 2 Party Tyranny …

Two Party Tyranny


Let me know your thoughts - if you have a YouTube account please like 👍 and comment …

Cheers

IDFS 🤣 x
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Surreal.
 
voyeur said:
Nobody should change to Reform! It's a puppet show of a party. Don't be duped. Sad to see that Mark Butcher doesn't see what he's got into.

bylinetimes.com

Reform UK Limited: The Political Business Brought to You by Billionaires

Despite its wealthy backers and blanket media coverage, few have peered under the bonnet of Reform UK. It's time to take a look at its backers.
bylinetimes.com bylinetimes.com
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According to you.

It's the snobbish 'he's been duped, doesn't realise what he doing' argument again.

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JJpool said:
The only thing I've heard people say about him is... he's local, well so are many others. As a get out to an FB question he was saying that the Labour council had only had full control since 2023, wilfully ignoring the 10 years before 2021...

Apart from being local what does he have and what does he stand for?

Mark Butcher is local and seems far more impressive.

People really need to change from the Tories or Labour IMO, Reform are the only other party who will bring significant change and are actually getting or likely to get popular enough to get more than a handful voting for them, like the greens and the lib dems.
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So your argument is don't vote Green because not enough will vote for them?
 
voyeur said:
He clearly doesn't - sometimes it's true.
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Yet when interviewed he said he's read the manifesto and agrees with it all.

It really is hard for some to accept when others have a different view to them, the arrogant ignorant left think they must be confused, tricked, duped.

It's pathetic.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
But your core message was don't vote for minority parties because they're minority parties?
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I don't have a core message, it was a line I wrote.

Most don't care for them in Blackpool and Reform are the only party after the Conservatives with a chance IMO.
 
JJpool said:
Yet when interviewed he said he's read the manifesto and agrees with it all.

It really is hard for some to accept when others have a different view to them, the arrogant ignorant left think they must be confused, tricked, duped.

It's pathetic.
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It's not about the left. I have no particular faith in any group. I have zero faith in Reform, given their origins and ownership. Don't be taken in.
 
voyeur said:
It's not about the left. I have no particular faith in any group. I have zero faith in Reform, given their origins and ownership. Don't be taken in.
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It's not about being taken in, I'd say to you don't be taken in by the broken 2 party system that doesn't bring about meaningful change.

Why keep voting tories or Labour, especially in Blackpool when people slate the Labour council and the Tories have ruined their own brand.

A lot are liking what reform are saying, stop taking a a patronising approach.
 
JJpool said:
It's not about being taken in, I'd say to you don't be taken in by the broken 2 party system that doesn't bring about meaningful change.

Why keep voting tories or Labour, especially in Blackpool when people slate the Labour council and the Tories have ruined their own brand.

A lot are liking what reform are saying, stop taking a a patronising approach.
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I'm not taken in bh the two party system. I voted for PR in that referendum. Reform is run by arseholes, I will never vote for them.
 
voyeur said:
I'm not taken in bh the two party system. I voted for PR in that referendum. Reform is run by arseholes, I will never vote for them.
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Which is entirely your choice, however people seem to have to try throw out the 'he's been duped' or 'doesn't know who he's dealing with' lines. It's nonesense.
 
JJpool said:
Which is entirely your choice, however people seem to have to try throw out the 'he's been duped' or 'doesn't know who he's dealing with' lines. It's nonesense.
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It's not though. If you fully understand the people behind Reform, and then vote for them, you're a fool. In my opinion. They are not straight and honest people.
 
Sorry to post this here rather than on the non-football section of the board but the thread is here. Firstly if you are thinking of voting Reflux or whatever they call themselves now, be aware that there is not a sheet of Izal between them and the Tories: Anderson slotted in like a toe into a jackboot and half their cabinet and extreme wing would as well. They offer nothing but the failed policies of Brexit with a bit of climate denial thrown in. It is a limited company run by two spivs with money off-shore. Then there are their near neighbours the Tories. If South Shore doesn't realise by now they were taken for a ride by the Bent one they will never know. Drink in the Con cubs by all means but for God's sake don't reward their 14 years of lies, corruption and self-serving spivvery by electing another one. The sane bet is Labour. Blackpool is a town full of working people crying out for a share of the national cake. Labour is the party of working people - it will always be. If the country gives Labour a landslide they won't make the same mistake as the Tories. Levelling up will not just be another Johnson lie. It has to be Labour IMHO. (For what it is worth). UTMP
 
voyeur said:
It's not though. If you fully understand the people behind Reform, and then vote for them, you're a fool. In my opinion. They are not straight and honest people.
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There you go again. Not everyone thinks like you, would you believe.

Please tell everyone who they can vote for, in your expert opinion.
 
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Can someone just check the apps on each candidates phone?
Also have a look at their Google search history quickly?

Might save a bit of time later and reduce the need for another by-election.
 
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Terminallytangerine said:
Sorry to post this here rather than on the non-football section of the board but the thread is here. Firstly if you are thinking of voting Reflux or whatever they call themselves now, be aware that there is not a sheet of Izal between them and the Tories: Anderson slotted in like a toe into a jackboot and half their cabinet and extreme wing would as well. They offer nothing but the failed policies of Brexit with a bit of climate denial thrown in. It is a limited company run by two spivs with money off-shore. Then there are their near neighbours the Tories. If South Shore doesn't realise by now they were taken for a ride by the Bent one they will never know. Drink in the Con cubs by all means but for God's sake don't reward their 14 years of lies, corruption and self-serving spivvery by electing another one. The sane bet is Labour. Blackpool is a town full of working people crying out for a share of the national cake. Labour is the party of working people - it will always be. If the country gives Labour a landslide they won't make the same mistake as the Tories. Levelling up will not just be another Johnson lie. It has to be Labour IMHO. (For what it is worth). UTMP
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Yet people hate the Labour council in Blackpool and look at Wales for what they've done there, a shambles. Labour aren't the party of old for the working classes that they used to be and if anyone thinks they'll solve the problems of the day or intend to, I think they're sadly mistaken.
 
Blackpool_Rox said:
To all sea-sea-Seasiders, AVFTT’ers and the good people of Blackpool …

This is your opportunity to question all the candidates.

Invites have been sent to and been received by all 9 candidates.

To date the candidates are :

Mark Butcher - Reform
Andrew Cregan - Liberal Democrat
Howling Laud Hope - OMRLP
David Jones - Conservative
Kim Knight - Alliance for Democracy and Freedom
Damon Sharp - New Organised Non-Political Leadership
Ben Thomas - Green
Chris Webb - Labour

The hustings will take a similar format to BBC’s Question Time.

The candidates will be instructed to answer all your questions directly and concisely.

All the candidates are there to be challenged and interrogated.

Whilst this by-election is important to the residents of Blackpool South …. for one of these candidates it is likely to be the biggest event in their political lives.

The successful individual will launch a Westminster career and have the great honour of becoming the next parliamentary representative for the fine people of Blackpool South.

Let’s get as many to attend as possible so you can all have your say deep in the beating heart of FY1 - Blackpool South.

The event starts at 7:00pm, it is open to everybody, there is no door charge and refreshments will be available.

Proceedings will be live streamed and recorded.

Please re-post on socials to get the word round 🙏
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And your big opportunity to kick out the Evil Party akaTories
 
JJpool said:
Yet people hate the Labour council in Blackpool and look at Wales for what they've done there, a shambles. Labour aren't the party of old for the working classes that they used to be and if anyone thinks they'll solve the problems of the day or intend to, I think they're sadly mistaken.
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I disagree. After 14 years of lies, corruption and self-serving spivvery (the most corrupt, dishonest government in my lifetime) @UKLabour will be a breath of fresh air. Labour still has its roots in the aspirations of working people. That is why the Tories are working so hard to destroy Angela Rayner. For all the gutter press criticism of Labour in Wales there is no likelihood of Wales voting Tory. In the end you have to vote against the known evil, put the psychic cynicism on hold and give Labour its chance to change the climate of politics. Johnson trashed the Nolan Principles; we have the chance to restore them. #Starmer4PM offers home; the Tories/Reflux offer nothing.
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@Terminallytangerine

I can't quote as you posted in my post.

I'm not in Blackpool south constituency for this by-election but for the general I'll go for reform, because there's a lot to like even of I don't agree with everything and the 2 party system needs a shake up. They'd actually bring in PR, if they ever got in.

It's very difficult for any party outside of those 2 to do anything but they can exert influence.

Labour will win anyway, but I dred to think where the country will be if they were in power as long as the Tories, they may be better in some ways and less sleaze, but I imagine there will be a whole host of other issues and Wales is an example of some of them. Labour IMO aren't going to get a grip on ridiculous levels of immigration, stopping illegals arriving etc. If they were in charge during covid we'd have been locked down far longer.

The fact people keep voting for them doesn't exactly make a great case, as with the system if you don't want the Tories you go Labour, it's hardly complete free choice. You also get some people voting because they've always voted that way even if its not in line with their current beliefs.

I've voted Labour before, I voted Tories once for brexit. None really appeal anymore. The greens would make life hell and in Scotland they've just scrapped the 2030 target for net zero and they have green policies there, it's just not viable. Lib dems are not for me. So it's reform, even if they are new and developing and will have some growing pains.
 
Sorry about that. I obviously did something which is usually beyond my technical capacity so it was a mistake. There are several problems for me in voting for Reform. Firstly they are only a sheet of Izal away from the party of the Bent one after whom the streets of South Shore will need to be washed down with Dettol. Voting Reform endorses the politics of someone who you know is corrupt. Secondly Reform only sound convincing because they are peddling the same populist bollocks that is constantlt thrown at you by #GBBelsTV and the gutter press - a narrative owned by very rich non-dom men with the same sort of money, power and wannabe influence that the two spivs who currently run the party also have. They want political power to legitimise their extreme politics and Blackpool after it has been defiled by Benton (and we wont mention defiling of Fylde) has had enough of that (or should have). Thirdly Blackpool will not get a Labour MP by default. They will have to work for every vote. But if you want to send a message that the actions of the Tories have sickened you to core you have to vote Labour. Reflux are just the Tories without any need to moderate their views because they will never be in government. To be on the right side of history is to elect a Labour MP. (Now to put my cards on the table: I don't live in Blackpool so you might say what has it got to do with me. I was brought up in FY4 and so still hold a string affection for the town. I want the best for it. I am emotionally tied to the town through the football team. I still have family there. Blackpool no matter where I live will always be my town and the thought of if ending up as Reform win or a Tory win again which is only a sheet of Izal difference fills me with dread. I won't post any more on this on here as it is for the good people of South Shore to decide and I've probably said too much already). UTMP - whatever your politics. TT.
 
JJpool said:
There you go again. Not everyone thinks like you, would you believe.

Please tell everyone who they can vote for, in your expert opinion.
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Oh grow up ffs. You're only response is to make out I'm talking down to you. I'm not, I'm just telling you that I don't like the people behind the Reform party and I don't trust them as far as I could throw them. Maybe try to reassure me that Reform is a serious party and explain why I should vote for them. Personally I don't agree with their immigration policy, or their net zero policy. I think they've dragged the Tories into shallow populist nonsense like Stop the Boats (and fail) and Rishis latest war on sickness, instead of doing anything meaningful or useful. We have had a truly diabolical government in recent times, as I predicted, despite me not being an expert, it turned out I was right. Because it doesn't take an expert, it's obvious that the right has nothing constructive to offer, because it's motivation doesn't involve being constructive. Everything is being allowed to drift. What is the government doing? What has it done since 2010? Brexit and COVID and bugger all else. And screwed those things up. Years of wasted time, energy and billions of pounds on Brexit. And who was behind Brexit? Farage and his cronies. Reform is run by mega rich people who don't want to be constrained by net zero policies, so they target votes by looking for simple populist agendas and pretending to be for the people. They're not.
 
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Terminallytangerine said:
Sorry about that. I obviously did something which is usually beyond my technical capacity so it was a mistake. There are several problems for me in voting for Reform. Firstly they are only a sheet of Izal away from the party of the Bent one after whom the streets of South Shore will need to be washed down with Dettol. Voting Reform endorses the politics of someone who you know is corrupt. Secondly Reform only sound convincing because they are peddling the same populist bollocks that is constantlt thrown at you by #GBBelsTV and the gutter press - a narrative owned by very rich non-dom men with the same sort of money, power and wannabe influence that the two spivs who currently run the party also have. They want political power to legitimise their extreme politics and Blackpool after it has been defiled by Benton (and we wont mention defiling of Fylde) has had enough of that (or should have). Thirdly Blackpool will not get a Labour MP by default. They will have to work for every vote. But if you want to send a message that the actions of the Tories have sickened you to core you have to vote Labour. Reflux are just the Tories without any need to moderate their views because they will never be in government. To be on the right side of history is to elect a Labour MP. (Now to put my cards on the table: I don't live in Blackpool so you might say what has it got to do with me. I was brought up in FY4 and so still hold a string affection for the town. I want the best for it. I am emotionally tied to the town through the football team. I still have family there. Blackpool no matter where I live will always be my town and the thought of if ending up as Reform win or a Tory win again which is only a sheet of Izal difference fills me with dread. I won't post any more on this on here as it is for the good people of South Shore to decide and I've probably said too much already). UTMP - whatever your politics. TT.
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So you don't live in Blackpool but are slagging off Scott Benton who did try for our town before getting his fingers burnt as you do realize Blackpool South couldn't wait to get rid of that tosser Gordon Marsden who was utterly useless living in his Brighton home popping in now and again.

Chris Webb a local lad will get in but I'm with JJpool can't stand this only two parties can run our country system, the quicker we have PR in whatever form that takes the better as the only country in Europe who has our voting system in Europe is Belarus says it all.
 
voyeur said:
Oh grow up ffs. You're only response is to make out I'm talking down to you. I'm not, I'm just telling you that I don't like the people behind the Reform party and I don't trust them as far as I could throw them. Maybe try to reassure me that Reform is a serious party and explain why I should vote for them. Personally I don't agree with their immigration policy, or their net zero policy. I think they've dragged the Tories into shallow populist nonsense like Stop the Boats (and fail) and Rishis latest war on sickness, instead of doing anything meaningful or useful. We have had a truly diabolical government in recent times, as I predicted, despite me not being an expert, it turned out I was right. Because it doesn't take an expert, it's obvious that the right has nothing constructive to offer, because it's motivation doesn't involve being constructive. Everything is being allowed to drift. What is the government doing? What has it done since 2010? Brexit and COVID and bugger all else. And screwed those things up. Tears of wasted time, energy and billions of pounds on Brexit. And who was behind Brexit? Farage and his cronies. Reform is run by mega rich people who don't want to be constrained by net zero policies, so they target votes by looking for simple populist agendas and pretending to be for the people. They're not. Wake up!
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All you've done is say anyone who votes for them must be stupid, I'd say that's talking down.

I don't care who you vote for, but you seem to want to jump on anyone who says it'll be Reform, yet no-one seems to do this when other people say they'll vote for anyone smaller party, it's the typical reaction of the intolerant.

The Tories brand is badly damaged and they need to lose in many peoples eyes, Labour I just don't believe in on many issues. The only party that fits after that is reform.

So you think we should just carry on with ridiculously high level of immigration whilst living standards of people who live here go down due to no access to schools, doctors, hospitals, roads clog up etc. We don't have the infrastructure and couldn't built it fast enough. Nevermind the social changes it bring and at the speed it's happening at means integration is minimal of at all. So all you get is a multicultural mess and that brings with it many problems, clashes etc. We need to defend and promote the British identity far more.

The boats are literally young men illegally arriving and being a strain on the taxpayer, it shouldn't be happening, its a security threat etc.

Brexit hasn't been capitalised on like it could be, we haven't done half things people wanted to do.

You say the right has nothing constructive, yet this is probably the least Conservative government for a while, they are actually not far from Labour on many things. The lefts answers seems to be just to let immigration happen, probably happy as they benefit from the votes, a con if ever I've seen on. Some solution.

As for net zero and the urgency, there's many lies that have been told about climate change and exaggerations that simply didn't come to pass. That's not to say we don't do anything, but sensible things at a sensible pace, surely also planting millions of trees to offset some carbon is doable but instead we seem intent to cripple ourselves despite only being 1% of global emissions. Even the Scottish government have had to scrap their targets for 2030 as its just not achievable. Its why it also makes sense to renew oil and gas licences in thr North Sea, as imports are higher in emissions.

Reform have some good policies if you read their manifesto, which you won't have done, not to say I agree with everything but you rarley do.
 
Terminallytangerine said:
Sorry about that. I obviously did something which is usually beyond my technical capacity so it was a mistake. There are several problems for me in voting for Reform. Firstly they are only a sheet of Izal away from the party of the Bent one after whom the streets of South Shore will need to be washed down with Dettol. Voting Reform endorses the politics of someone who you know is corrupt. Secondly Reform only sound convincing because they are peddling the same populist bollocks that is constantlt thrown at you by #GBBelsTV and the gutter press - a narrative owned by very rich non-dom men with the same sort of money, power and wannabe influence that the two spivs who currently run the party also have. They want political power to legitimise their extreme politics and Blackpool after it has been defiled by Benton (and we wont mention defiling of Fylde) has had enough of that (or should have). Thirdly Blackpool will not get a Labour MP by default. They will have to work for every vote. But if you want to send a message that the actions of the Tories have sickened you to core you have to vote Labour. Reflux are just the Tories without any need to moderate their views because they will never be in government. To be on the right side of history is to elect a Labour MP. (Now to put my cards on the table: I don't live in Blackpool so you might say what has it got to do with me. I was brought up in FY4 and so still hold a string affection for the town. I want the best for it. I am emotionally tied to the town through the football team. I still have family there. Blackpool no matter where I live will always be my town and the thought of if ending up as Reform win or a Tory win again which is only a sheet of Izal difference fills me with dread. I won't post any more on this on here as it is for the good people of South Shore to decide and I've probably said too much already). UTMP - whatever your politics. TT.
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I wouldn't vote Labour as explained, but I've no problem giving people a chance and judging them fairly, as I do actually the Blackpool Labour council, who many hate on.
 
JJpool said:
All you've done is say anyone who votes for them must be stupid, I'd say that's talking down.

I don't care who you vote for, but you seem to want to jump on anyone who says it'll be Reform, yet no-one seems to do this when other people say they'll vote for anyone smaller party, it's the typical reaction of the intolerant.

The Tories brand is badly damaged and they need to lose in many peoples eyes, Labour I just don't believe in on many issues. The only party that fits after that is reform.

So you think we should just carry on with ridiculously high level of immigration whilst living standards of people who live here go down due to no access to schools, doctors, hospitals, roads clog up etc. We don't have the infrastructure and couldn't built it fast enough. Nevermind the social changes it bring and at the speed it's happening at means integration is minimal of at all. So all you get is a multicultural mess and that brings with it many problems, clashes etc. We need to defend and promote the British identity far more.

The boats are literally young men illegally arriving and being a strain on the taxpayer, it shouldn't be happening, its a security threat etc.

Brexit hasn't been capitalised on like it could be, we haven't done half things people wanted to do.

You say the right has nothing constructive, yet this is probably the least Conservative government for a while, they are actually not far from Labour on many things. The lefts answers seems to be just to let immigration happen, probably happy as they benefit from the votes, a con if ever I've seen on. Some solution.

As for net zero and the urgency, there's many lies that have been told about climate change and exaggerations that simply didn't come to pass. That's not to say we don't do anything, but sensible things at a sensible pace, surely also planting millions of trees to offset some carbon is doable but instead we seem intent to cripple ourselves despite only being 1% of global emissions. Even the Scottish government have had to scrap their targets for 2030 as its just not achievable. Its why it also makes sense to renew oil and gas licences in thr North Sea, as imports are higher in emissions.

Reform have some good policies if you read their manifesto, which you won't have done, not to say I agree with everything but you rarley do.
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I haven't said people who vote Reform are stupid, you are twisting words, but I do think there is a dishonesty about their motives which Mark Butcher hasn't understood. That's my opinion. I think it's a mistake to vote Reform, because they are led by people with ulterior motives. They won't deliver, just as Brexit hasn't delivered advantages that were promised, and won't deliver them. Forked tongues. These people say one thing, and make promises, but actually it's about their own interests.

The Tories got a huge vote in 2019 and now all these people who were on that whole Boris bandwagon have abandoned them and Wang change again. So we do have a huge number of people who vote without their brains, in my opinion. I never expected the Tories to do what they said, and I believe Reform are cut from similar cloth. In my older years I do feel frustrated with how easily people are convinced for morally corrupt people.

Stop the boats. How? It's so complicated. How will Reform stop them? They won't. And I think we will find that Reform people are the intolerant, not me.

Lies about climate change that didn't come to pass? Get real. It's happening. Rapidly. You are being misled by dubious people, in my opinion.

German joke. Want to know what East Germany was like before reunification? Visit England. So much neglect, and we've gone backwards so much under the Conservatives, cos they don't give a toss as long as they are ok. The same applies to Farage and Tice and their backers. They just want your votes, to give them power. In my opinion. They have no answers to the problems, I believe.
 
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I haven't said people who vote Reform are stupid, you are twisting words, but I do think there is a dishonesty about their motives which Mark Butcher hasn't understood. That's my opinion. I think it's a mistake to vote Reform, because they are led by people with ulterior motives. They won't deliver, just as Brexit hasn't delivered advantages that were promised, and won't deliver them. Forked tongues. These people say one thing, and make promises, but actually it's about their own interests.

The Tories got a huge vote in 2019 and now all these people who were on that whole Boris bandwagon have abandoned them and Wang change again. So we do have a huge number of people who vote without their brains, in my opinion. I never expected the Tories to do what they said, and I believe Reform are cut from similar cloth. In my older years I do feel frustrated with how easily people are convinced for morally corrupt people.

Stop the boats. How? It's so complicated. How will Reform stop them? They won't. And I think we will find that Reform people are the intolerant, not me.

Lies about climate change that didn't come to pass? Get real. It's happening. Rapidly. You are being misled by dubious people, in my opinion.

German joke. Want to know what East Germany was like before reunification? Visit England. So much neglect, and we've gone backwards so much under the Conservatives, cos they don't give a toss as long as they are ok. The same applies to Farage and Tice and their backers. They just want your votes, to give them power. In my opinion. They have no answers to the problems, I believe.
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You said they're a fools, not much difference is there.

Who would blame something like Brexit, which is basically just getting control of rules, rather than those who have or haven't used the new powers they now have wisely, an odd approach. They've literally had the power to control immigration yet haven't, could have done many things that benefited the country that many who voted for it wanted, but haven't.

Upto you what you do, but I could easily say I'm frustrated with how easily people stick with the 2 party system, expecting change, voting that way because they've always done maybe. Maybe people just want someone who will passionately defend the values of the country, its people, stop all the woke shite and stop turning us into a third world country.

Regarding your attitude to Reform, it's seen often on here when they are mentioned and it's getting tiresome, although they must be doing something right if it's triggering a few. The same people who usually haven't bothered to even look at the manifesto but want to call them far right etc. Your opinion people are being misled is based on your own bias.

Some just can't accept many people have had enough of the usual shite and they are an outlet making a lot of the right noises.

They've already said what they'll do many times if you look, like Australia did in taking people back to the country of departure and it stopped them coming. Its got to be better than being a border force taxi service.

If you read again what I said was about the urgency of net zero and some of the lies about climate change, which there have been many. Maybe you've forgotten the ice age that was coming many years ago, or that places like Blackpool might be underwater by 2030, complete nonesense scaremongering that even the most extreme climate models don't support, it'll take centuries to see significant changes and that with no action.

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These areas of Blackpool could be underwater by 2030 study reveals

If water levels continue to rise at their current rate, these are the areas of Blackpool which could be underwater by 2030.
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Therew even certain factors like isostatic rebound, which is small admittedly but still happening, but slightly offsets a little bit of sea level rise in our area. Every little helps as they say.

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Although people jumped on it to wrongly say the world was ending, it was still misinformation, that apparently the guy she was quoting didn't say, but caused alarm and a sense of urgency for many.

So what I said is right, there are lies and exaggerations, I've not denied it's real, of course it is it's been happening forever and humans add to it and I've already stated ways to get on top of it with planting millions of trees etc and being smart, not crippling ourselves with unreachable targets when we're 1% of emissions. My point was about the urgency and false predictions or lies.

Even Scotland has, embarrassingly, rowed back on their targets that just aren't achievable.

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Scottish government ditches flagship climate change target as it accepts it is 'out of reach'

Mairi McAllan, minister for wellbeing economy, net zero and energy, announced the move in an update to Holyrood on Thursday as she set out the government's next steps on tackling climate change.
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Regardless of what you think of Reform they are a growing movement and have policies that are resonating with millions and many don't even know who they are yet, so will likely only grow.
 
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