Not sure how this is going to go down!

Is EuroWeekly News the free paper published in Spain by Mr & Mrs Eusden?

The paper that was fined by the Spanish for spreading false information?

The one that Leapy Lee writes for? 🏹
 
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It's an interpretation of what happened on a recent conversation between Johnson and Biden.
I think it's fair to say that we are keener on a trade deal than the US and the US is bound to use a potential trade deal to gain leverage in other areas.

 
Being a supporter of Irish nationalism he would say that wouldn’t he.
Move on nothing to see here.
I think Brexit makes the prospect of a united Ireland much more likely TBH.
We are treating NI differently to the rest of the country and this will cause many to look to the ROI.
IMO Ireland will be united within a generation, probably sooner.
 
I think Brexit makes the prospect of a united Ireland much more likely TBH.
We are treating NI differently to the rest of the country and this will cause many to look to the ROI.
IMO Ireland will be united within a generation, probably sooner.
It would be the simplest thing to do on paper unifying a United Ireland but try telling 1m Protestants that.

So good luck with that one.
 
I don't believe there will be a UK-US trade agreement in the near future, but I don't think this is a massive issue. As this article from CNN says, the UK needs to concentrate on the quickly growing Asian and African markets. The current substantial trade volume between the UK and US will continue with or without a trade deal and the US will remain our biggest single trading partner. Let's get a foothold in the global market that Boris keeps talking about.


 
I don't believe there will be a UK-US trade agreement in the near future, but I don't think this is a massive issue. As this article from CNN says, the UK needs to concentrate on the quickly growing Asian and African markets. The current substantial trade volume between the UK and US will continue with or without a trade deal. Let's get a foothold in the global market that Boris keeps talking about.


Yes, it won't be easy to do a deal with Biden that is for sure and anything we agree will be in the US's favour.
 
I don't believe there will be a UK-US trade agreement in the near future, but I don't think this is a massive issue. As this article from CNN says, the UK needs to concentrate on the quickly growing Asian and African markets. The current substantial trade volume between the UK and US will continue with or without a trade deal and the US will remain our biggest single trading partner. Let's get a foothold in the global market that Boris keeps talking about.


Quickly growing African markets, you mean countries with an economic output of 10 bob then turning over a £1000 quid the year after? Thats quick growing
 
So on that basis, its true then.
More than likely yes I’d imagine it would be but I’d be surprised if we never had any deal with the US at some point as American exporters to the UK will suffer just the same as anyone else.
Harley Davison exports alone to the UK are worth over $75m annually.
 
Quickly growing African markets, you mean countries with an economic output of 10 bob then turning over a £1000 quid the year after? Thats quick growing

You're clearly not an economist. These are countries that dwarf the UK in terms of size and population and investment growth.
 
You're clearly not an economist. These are countries that dwarf the UK in terms of size and population and investment growth.
Fair enough ttj, but first of all you said that the article was untrue and I think someone described it as bullshit (tbf the article is mostly speculation). But then you go on to say that you didn't expect a UK / US trade deal which is exactly what the article says (although it gives it's own spin on why that would be).
Personally I cannot see Biden and Johnson doing business without Biden trying to humiliate Johnson in someway, the US would certainly get the better side of any trade deal we make. A Bloomberg article I read said a UK / US trade deal would be worth 0.17% GDP to the UK, whereas we are losing 4% by leaving the EU.
 
Fair enough ttj, but first of all you said that the article was untrue and I think someone described it as bullshit (tbf the article is mostly speculation). But then you go on to say that you didn't expect a UK / US trade deal which is exactly what the article says (although it gives it's own spin on why that would be).
Personally I cannot see Biden and Johnson doing business without Biden trying to humiliate Johnson in someway, the US would certainly get the better side of any trade deal we make. A Bloomberg article I read said a UK / US trade deal would be worth 0.17% GDP to the UK, whereas we are losing 4% by leaving the EU.
The CNN article has some gravitas, not the Spanish freebie paper. I agree with you that Biden won't be in a hurry to do a trade deal with the UK. He has history with Boris Johnson and an historical Irish Republican view of his motherland. As you say, a deal would not be worth huge sums in any case, not like the potential trans-Pacific deals we are currently chasing. The US likes the kind of goods and services we supply and pays handsomely for them, and the same applies to US produced goods and services coming into the UK. That will carry on regardless and will continue to generate huge sums for both economies.
 
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You obviously missed the bit about the US being our biggest trading partner.
Wouldn't that have been on a deal via the EU though? See how decent a deal in future will look when they negotiate 1 to 1. Hopefully we won't throw the NHS in as a bargaining chip as is predicted to happen.
 
You're clearly not an economist. These are countries that dwarf the UK in terms of size and population and investment growth.
You're right I'm not an economist. What I can say is the population of a country doesn't dictate it's wealth and investment growth will be Chinese money, after brexit investment growth on the UK will diminish. Rapidly economic expansion
means nothing when the base line is low in the 1st place and certainly doesn't backfill for reduced trading terms to the EU and saying otherwise is brexiteers bullshit.
 
You're right I'm not an economist. What I can say is the population of a country doesn't dictate it's wealth and investment growth will be Chinese money, after brexit investment growth on the UK will diminish. Rapidly economic expansion means nothing when the base line is low in the 1st place and certainly doesn't backfill for reduced trading terms to the EU and saying otherwise is brexiteers bullshit.

Just think about the figures again. Before Covid, Bangladesh had a growth rate of 8%, Ghana 6%, India 7%, compared to UK 2.0%, France 1.7%.
These countries have expanding economies and as CNNBusiness says it's not just their pace of growth that is so appealing to investors, but the innovative approach of their young, skilled workforces and the countries' attractive tax policies as well as their free trade approach to international commerce. Precisely the opposite of Europe where high tax rates and restrictive policies have a detrimental effect on economic growth.
 
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Just think about the figures again. Before Covid, Bangladesh had a growth rate of 8%, Ghana 6%, India 7%, compared to UK 2.0%, France 1.7%.
These countries have expanding economies and as CNNBusiness says it's not just their pace of growth that is so appealing to investors, but the innovative approach of their young, skilled workforces and the countries' attractive tax policies as well as their free trade approach to international commerce. Precisely the opposite of Europe where high tax rates and restrictive policies have a detrimental effect on economic growth.
Bangladesh, Ghana and India have ** shocking human rights records though.
 
Just think about the figures again. Before Covid, Bangladesh had a growth rate of 8%, Ghana 6%, India 7%, compared to UK 2.0%, France 1.7%.
These countries have expanding economies and as CNNBusiness says it's not just their pace of growth that is so appealing to investors, but the innovative approach of their young, skilled workforces and the countries' attractive tax policies as well as their free trade approach to international commerce. Precisely the opposite of Europe where high tax rates and restrictive policies have a detrimental effect on economic growth.
Jesus wept. The economy of Ghana is £46 billion a year, Bangladesh approx 200bn. Utter small fry, I can tell you're not much of an economist, they'll have to grow a bit more than the figures you're quoting to be any use. France has a economy at 3 trillion so a 1.5% growth rate pisses all over them. If the Faroe islands had an economy growing at 500% would that be much use?
 
Jesus wept. The economy of Ghana is £46 billion a year, Bangladesh approx 200bn. Utter small fry, I can tell you're not much of an economist, they'll have to grow a bit more than the figures you're quoting to be any use. France has a economy at 3 trillion so a 1.5% growth rate pisses all over them. If the Faroe islands had an economy growing at 500% would that be much use?
OK. Let's put it this way. If I had invested in the Indian economy in the 1970s I would have enjoyed consistent, increasing investment growth over a fifty year period to its current rate of more than 7% pa. Going forward (virus permitting) we are talking about reaching trade agreements with expansive, high growth economies with innovative ideas, momentum, mostly English speaking, tax friendly with limited restrictions.

Just to correct your figures, France has a current GDP of $2400 billion, which is significantly smaller than India's. However, if I understand the point of this thread it is whether the UK will strike a trade deal with the US and, if so, whether it will be much better than the existing WTO arrangements or whether the UK would be better off striking trade deals with emerging African and Asian countries. The opinion I gave above is that we won't reach a trade deal with the US for a while and that I agree with Lord Marland's view that the UK should instead concentrate on global expansion. We already have healthy trading arrangements with the USA and a trade deal would not be worth as much as the expansion mentioned above. We also have a trade deal with France and the EU so references to France's economy are not relevant to this.

If you disagree and believe that the UK should go all out for a US trade deal, then say so. It doesn't look like Biden is ready or even willing to reach any deal with us but if he does will it have conditions we can't agree with and will it earn us substantially more than the lucrative trading arrangements we have with them already?
 
OK. Let's put it this way. If I had invested in the Indian economy in the 1970s I would have enjoyed consistent, increasing investment growth over a fifty year period to its current rate of more than 7% pa. Going forward (virus permitting) we are talking about reaching trade agreements with expansive, high growth economies with innovative ideas, momentum, mostly English speaking, tax friendly with limited restrictions.

Just to correct your figures, France has a current GDP of $2400 billion, which is significantly smaller than India's. However, if I understand the point of this thread it is whether the UK will strike a trade deal with the US and, if so, whether it will be much better than the existing WTO arrangements or whether the UK would be better off striking trade deals with emerging African and Asian countries. The opinion I gave above is that we won't reach a trade deal with the US for a while and that I agree with Lord Marland's view that the UK should instead concentrate on global expansion. We already have healthy trading arrangements with the USA and a trade deal would not be worth as much as the expansion mentioned above. We also have a trade deal with France and the EU so references to France's economy are not relevant to this.

If you disagree and believe that the UK should go all out for a US trade deal, then say so. It doesn't look like Biden is ready or even willing to reach any deal with us but if he does will it have conditions we can't agree with and will it earn us substantially more than the lucrative trading arrangements we have with them already?
You quoted the French economy in your original post by saying they will grow by 1.5%. My stance is to rejoin the EU and get better trade deals through a cooperative agreements. The size of our economy isn't big enough to strike great deals. The big three are US, China and the EU all roughly equal with economies at about 15 trillion per year. It then drops sharply to Japan at approx 5 trillion.
Not sure where you get your facts from but the size of India's economy is pretty much on a par with France.
 
My stance is to rejoin the EU and get better trade deals through a cooperative agreements. The size of our economy isn't big enough to strike great deals.
Well I wouldn't hold your breath. If there was ever a chance that we would rejoin the EU it's quickly disappearing now that Brussel's true colours are emerging post-Brexit. Some nasty stuff going on there.
 
Well I wouldn't hold your breath. If there was ever a chance that we would rejoin the EU it's quickly disappearing now that Brussel's true colours are emerging post-Brexit. Some nasty stuff going on there.
What nonsense. You mean they are treating us as a 3rd country? We are out of the club, instead of blaming them why don't you reserve your wrath for the architects of brexit, the ones who sold you a pile of bollocks.
 
What nonsense. You mean they are treating us as a 3rd country? We are out of the club, instead of blaming them why don't you reserve your wrath for the architects of brexit, the ones who sold you a pile of bollocks.

You haven't got a clue have you? Rather than treating us as a third country, the EU is making demands on our vaccines as if we were part of their club. The EU is tearing itself apart in front of your eyes as well as threatening us and you seriously believe that we were wrong to leave or that we are sorry to leave. With each day that passes it becomes clearer that we are well shut of the 'European Project'

How about a comment from you on German MEP Peter Liese's threat to the UK that "if you treat the Europeans as second class, you will suffer for this."
 
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