Does anyone know what’s happened to Nuttall?

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He went on loan to Northampton at the start of the season was injured and returned months ago but has never been mentioned since , he was a big money signing for us at the time anyone know any info on him ?
 
Harsh things were said but if you perform like he did it was hardly surprising. That`s what happens in the competitive world of football when I last looked or is it now unacceptable to comment on really poor performances allied to an apparent shortage of effort?

Failed footballers reputations matter,.Should all critical AVFTTers now take the knee on his behalf?

Equally Simon Sadler`s bank balance matters to us all too in the future interests of our club.
 
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Maybe his mum or friends or a sports psychologist can sort him out and I hope for his sake they do but as football fans we judge footballers simply on their performances on the pitch be they good bad or indifferent.
 
Harsh things were said but if you perform like he did it was hardly surprising. That`s what happens in the competitive world of football when I last looked or is it now unacceptable to comment on really poor performances allied to an apparent shortage of effort?

Failed footballers reputations matter,.Should all critical AVFTTers now take the knee on his behalf.

Equally Simon Sadler`s bank balance matters to us all too in the future interests of our club.
There's a massive difference between slating a player off for a bad performance and going on and on and on after the event about it then it getting so bad he was probably wondering if he was going to get blamed for it ** raining!!!
Yes as Blackpool fans we have the right to criticise and praise when the need arises, what we shouldn't do is step over the mark like in Nuttalls case and keep chipping away when not necessary.
In today's day and age its called bullying
 
Maybe his mum or friends or a sports psychologist can sort him out and I hope for his sake they do but as football fans we judge footballers simply on their performances on the pitch be they good bad or indifferent.
Agreed, but the criticism should be reasonable and fair and never should it spill over in to hate filled rants.
To be fair to this site I don't think many people overstep the mark.
 
There's a massive difference between slating a player off for a bad performance and going on and on and on after the event about it then it getting so bad he was probably wondering if he was going to get blamed for it ** raining!!!
Yes as Blackpool fans we have the right to criticise and praise when the need arises, what we shouldn't do is step over the mark like in Nuttalls case and keep chipping away when not necessary.
In today's day and age its called bullying
I take your point but would just say he may well never have read these comments and if a topic of any sort comes up on here it inevitably gets scrutinised in more detail by both those who agree or disagree.I think it`s pushing it to describe that as bullying.

It`s part of life to deal with things that aren`t always how we would like them to be,take it on the chin and move on, without constantly complaining about your lot in life which seems to becoming much more prevalent in recent times.Whenever you switch on the news there`s so much whinging and complaining.We used to believe in a stiff upper lip and getting on with life, not any more it seems.

My daughter lived in Turkey for a few years and she has noticed that there are so many good things about living in this country that aren`t available over there and yet in this country they are all just taken for granted whilst there is constant complaining but little appreciation for what we have over here.
 
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I take your point but would just say he may well never have read these comments and if a topic of any sort comes up on here it inevitably gets scrutinised in more detail by both those who agree or disagree.I think it`s pushing it to describe that as bullying.

It`s part of life to deal with things that aren`t always how we would like them to be,take it on the chin and move on, without constantly complaining about your lot in life which seems to becoming much more prevalent in recent times.Whenever you switch on the news there`s so much whinging and complaining.We used to believe in a stiff upper lip and getting on with life, not any more it seems.
No, not any more. Times change. Introduction of social media and globalization lead to massive risks to mental health which didn’t previously exist and exponential rates of young suicide and self-harm. Hence why we approach things a little differently now. We get and appreciate your generational difference, and simply ask that you try to appreciate ours.
 
The expression show some backbone used to be used ie the courage and determination to overcome whatever life throws at you but seems to be less fashionable these days.I can`t believe that`s healthy or progression.I suppose the opposite of that is spineless.
 
🙄 yeah, and all those soft-arsed dementia and Alzheimer’s sufferers. Never had any of that nonsense back in the day, did we.
 
🙄 yeah, and all those soft-arsed dementia and Alzheimer’s sufferers. Never had any of that nonsense back in the day, did we.
Just the sort of inappropriate comparison I would expect from you.We`re talking here about the sort of difficulties that with determination and application can be overcome much to the benefit of those who manage to achieve that.

I can`t believe you are stupid enough to think that such things as dementia and Alzheimer`s come remotely close to the kind of things we were referring to.

Or do I overestimate you?
 
Just the sort of inappropriate comparison I would expect from you.We`re talking here about the sort of difficulties that with determination and application can be overcome much to the benefit of those who manage to achieve that.

I can`t believe you are stupid enough to think that such things as dementia and Alzheimer`s come remotely close to the kind of things we were referring to.

Or do I overestimate you?
Damn, I see my hyperbole was wasted on you

Meanwhile you talk about mental health difficulties that can be overcome and refer to those with such issues as ‘spineless’
 
The expression show some backbone used to be used ie the courage and determination to overcome whatever life throws at you but seems to be less fashionable these days.I can`t believe that`s healthy or progression.I suppose the opposite of that is spineless.
Bit grumpy this morning, my friend ? 😀

In counterpoint to your argument, we used to shoot people with PTSD and label others LMF

Maybe we want a kinder society?

Hope you are good, btw, hopefully all of us back to normal in next few weeks 👍
 
The expression show some backbone used to be used ie the courage and determination to overcome whatever life throws at you but seems to be less fashionable these days.I can`t believe that`s healthy or progression.I suppose the opposite of that is spineless.
Interesting question of whether the recognition and "legitimising" of mental health issues has opened a door that people are willing to walk through. Was that door previously shut or have we just built a new door with a big welcome sign on it? Interestingly the male suicide rate has remained broadly constant since 2000 at around 17 per 1000 pa. Hasn't depression been around since time immemorial as an intrinsic part of the human condition, melancholia was written about in the 19th century after all?

50s makes a really interesting point though in that perspective is fundamental in the ability of an individual, and even society in general, to deal with the bad times. Didn't hear about depression during the Blitz, did we? Was it around or were people too busy trying to stay alive and keeping their loves ones fed. Depression is recognised as a combination of biological, psychological, and social factors, so if the zeitgeist is to share one's problems that's what people will do.

Sorry to spout on in a footy forum on this but its a subject close to my heart. I went through periods in the past of being fed up and peed off about various things, as we all do - and thought depression was a failure of the weak minded. But then something took hold after a particular event and I spiralled to the point where I was sitting under my desk at work in the foetal position - thank f**k I was on my own in the office. And I own the business! Six months of sertraline got me out of that mental s**t show and all is Ok at the mo. But a factor in that spiral is the feeling of being weak, pathetic, a snowflake, letting down your wife, kids, colleagues, parents. It's no f**kin; joke I can tell you and I wouldn't wish it on any one.

I'm 6"2 and 13 1/2 stone if that's relevant.

#UTMP
 
Bit grumpy this morning, my friend ? 😀

In counterpoint to your argument, we used to shoot people with PTSD and label others LMF

Maybe we want a kinder society?

Hope you are good, btw, hopefully all of us back to normal in next few weeks 👍
Oh I have my grumpy moments but I have a bit of a bee in my bonnet about the incessant whinging that seems to be so prevalent.I suppose it goes back to my upbringing with my stoical unselfish mother who never complained and just got on with life and helping us which I always greatly admired.

Nice to hear from you. Happy Easter! 👍
 
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There have been several threads about this situation. I know what the reasons are and have shared that with a few privately

Suffice to say that everyone with their theories perhaps would have more sympathy with the lad if they knew.

As for the club paying wages to someone not playing is admirable, in effect it's just a similar situation to you or I being off work sick. The club is looking after the lad

We've a very good player, whether his personal circumstances dictate we ever see them is something I don't know
 
Oh I have my grumpy moments but I have a bit of a bee in my bonnet about the incessant whinging that seems to be so prevalent.I suppose it goes back to my upbringing with my stoical unselfish mother who never complained and just got on with life which I always greatly admired.

Nice to hear from you. Happy Easter! 👍
50s as i said above I do appreciate the sentiment and I agree we have lost a valuable chunk of self determination, particularly millennials onward. But equally I can think of a lot of occasions where that ‘stuff upper lip’ has led people of the older generation to live miserable lives rather than seek help. It’s about a balance, and I would suggest that it’s massively counter productive to characterize any kind of complaint as whinging.
 
Interesting question of whether the recognition and "legitimising" of mental health issues has opened a door that people are willing to walk through. Was that door previously shut or have we just built a new door with a big welcome sign on it? Interestingly the male suicide rate has remained broadly constant since 2000 at around 17 per 1000 pa. Hasn't depression been around since time immemorial as an intrinsic part of the human condition, melancholia was written about in the 19th century after all?

50s makes a really interesting point though in that perspective is fundamental in the ability of an individual, and even society in general, to deal with the bad times. Didn't hear about depression during the Blitz, did we? Was it around or were people too busy trying to stay alive and keeping their loves ones fed. Depression is recognised as a combination of biological, psychological, and social factors, so if the zeitgeist is to share one's problems that's what people will do.

Sorry to spout on in a footy forum on this but its a subject close to my heart. I went through periods in the past of being fed up and peed off about various things, as we all do - and thought depression was a failure of the weak minded. But then something took hold after a particular event and I spiralled to the point where I was sitting under my desk at work in the foetal position - thank f**k I was on my own in the office. And I own the business! Six months of sertraline got me out of that mental s**t show and all is Ok at the mo. But a factor in that spiral is the feeling of being weak, pathetic, a snowflake, letting down your wife, kids, colleagues, parents. It's no f**kin; joke I can tell you and I wouldn't wish it on any one.

I'm 6"2 and 13 1/2 stone if that's relevant.

#UTMP
I know the feeling mate, and regardless of whose fault it is that you’ve hit rock bottom, in hindsight for me at least I know that the simple act of somebody saying ‘it’s not your fault’ to me spontaneously could have just changed my whole day, week, month if it had ever happened. At the same time I’m not sure it would have been a strictly ‘true’ thing to be told. It’s difficult, but the stakes are so high it’s worth talking about regularly.
 
I highly doubt Joe Nuttall reads AVFTT to be honest, but regardless abuse directed at someone even if they can't read it isn't an okay thing to do - but from what I've seen abuse was very rare. Critique of him as a player and his performances there was lots, but out of order ABUSE there wasn't much of from what I've seen.

What is despicable was people directing things at his personal twitter account which forced him into locking his account, and shouts he'd receive at games. I'll never understand why people think that is acceptable, especially the tweets, I do wonder what goes through their heads as they type the tweet out - I guess there is a disconnect over social media of recognising you're putting it to another human being.

I have my opinions on him as a footballer, and I'd be surprised to see him in a Blackpool shirt again. But regardless of any of that I hope he overcomes his demons and manages to get something out of what is ultimately a short career being a footballer!
 
50s as i said above I do appreciate the sentiment and I agree we have lost a valuable chunk of self determination, particularly millennials onward. But equally I can think of a lot of occasions where that ‘stuff upper lip’ has led people of the older generation to live miserable lives rather than seek help. It’s about a balance, and I would suggest that it’s massively counter productive to characterize any kind of complaint as whinging.
I take your point and I certainly believe in helping others. I wouldn`t normally mention it and never have before on here but just to show that I do have some compassion and do care I did get an award and a scroll presented by our Lord Mayor in Sheffield after I completed 5 years of voluntary fund raising for our local Hospice. Apologies for mentioning it.

It`s just those who constantly complain but do very little constructively that get to me. I admire the one`s who complain little but do plenty to help as well as those that when possible have the strength of character to overcome their own shortcomings.
 
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That is a terrible reply. I am very lucky that mentally I am very strong and have survived some difficult periods of life.

However, it does not mean that I cannot have empathy with people who unfortunately do not have such mental fortitude. I think we should all be more understanding of others.
There are too many people these days looking for excuses, mental health, bullying etc. Just get on with it, life is nowhere’s near as tough as it used to be and we shrugged setbacks off and tried a new approach. People today are too eager to blame things on others, nothing is ever their fault. It’s time to face up to the fact that life is what you make it.
 
There are too many people these days looking for excuses, mental health, bullying etc. Just get on with it, life is nowhere’s near as tough as it used to be and we shrugged setbacks off and tried a new approach. People today are too eager to blame things on others, nothing is ever their fault. It’s time to face up to the fact that life is what you make it.
Idiot.
 
How do we know if Nuttall is suffering with mental health issues?
Is this fact, or just cos someone on AVFTT said so?

Isn't it about time someone asked the manger the question?
I appreciate the sentiment of your comment but I'd say that someone else's health issues (mental or otherwise) are non of our business.

I'll admit I'm curious to know if that's what's been plaguing him having suffered for nearly a decade from depression myself. But IF that person chooses to disclose that to the wider public it should be off their own bat and not under any kind of pressure. It's certainly not for the manager to reveal in an interview unless he has the express permission of the player
 
Trouble is, we don't know if he is injured, out of favour, trying hard to get back into the squad, or out for `personal reasons'.

Otherwise it's just another AVFTT myth.
 
Harsh things were said but if you perform like he did it was hardly surprising. That`s what happens in the competitive world of football when I last looked or is it now unacceptable to comment on really poor performances allied to an apparent shortage of effort?

Failed footballers reputations matter,.Should all critical AVFTTers now take the knee on his behalf?

Equally Simon Sadler`s bank balance matters to us all too in the future interests of our club.

No doubt I'd have been banned for saying the same thing but I won't pretend to disagree.
 
Snowflake.

There are too many people these days looking for excuses, mental health, bullying etc. Just get on with it, life is nowhere’s near as tough as it used to be and we shrugged setbacks off and tried a new approach. People today are too eager to blame things on others, nothing is ever their fault. It’s time to face up to the fact that life is what you make it.
In 1997 my uncle killed himself. He never spoke about depression. The first we knew about it was a suicide attempt, followed fairly quickly afterwards by a succesful suicide attempt.

Not so easy for him 'to just get on with it'

For the record, he was 6.3 and a real mans man. Liked his golf, his beer, his food, his women. Didn't hold much truck with sensitive types and feelings. Then he offed himself.

In the 1920s, a striker of unknown height (I can't remember his name) who played for a club in the north east (I can't remember which one) went home after a game and put his head in the gas oven. It was one of the reasons Herbert Chapman always spoke out against 'barracking' of players.

That was 90+ years before twitter and today's snowflake generation.

But hey ho - you know best chief. You know best.
 
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