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hampshire_exile

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Just seen that tickets for Cardiff go on sale tomorrow and it is a Category A game. There is also no mention of a membership scheme being introduced, whereby you could pay say 20 pounds and then get 5 pounds off each ticket you bought. So presumably that won’t be happening this season.

So the net effect is that if you aren’t a season ticket holder, you are going to have to pay the same as away fans. Not impressed with that. There should be some incentive for fans who go to 5-10 home games a season.
 
Just seen that tickets for Cardiff go on sale tomorrow and it is a Category A game. There is also no mention of a membership scheme being introduced, whereby you could pay say 20 pounds and then get 5 pounds off each ticket you bought. So presumably that won’t be happening this season.

So the net effect is that if you aren’t a season ticket holder, you are going to have to pay the same as away fans. Not impressed with that. There should be some incentive for fans who go to 5-10 home games a season.
Or an incentive to go to more games and get a season ticket?
 
No problem charging Cardiff fans that but there where lies the problem you have to charge the aways your cheapest general admission price so if we did it for 20 they would have to be sold at that price also.

You could be a Bristol fan having to pay 33 next week!
 
This is where having a network of people who buy season tickets and then don't use them comes in handy!

I won't be shedding a tear if the season ends in a relegation and then they drop this and start needing POTG home fans again tbh.
 
Maybe the clue is in his name Wiz and he lives in Hampshire ?
Yes, but if you are going to spend the time and money on a trip from Hampshire to watch Pool, would £5 discount really make a difference?

The club has a business plan and if it waters down match day prices, it will result in fewer ST sales, which means it cannot plan financially. That has a direct impact on the playing budget and general investment.

Look at it this way, the ST sales give us financial stability, irrespective of performances on the pitch. Do you think that if we have a poor season, non ST holders would turn up and pay even £20? History at Pool tells us not.
 
Yes, but if you are going to spend the time and money on a trip from Hampshire to watch Pool, would £5 discount really make a difference?

The club has a business plan and if it waters down match day prices, it will result in fewer ST sales, which means it cannot plan financially. That has a direct impact on the playing budget and general investment.

Look at it this way, the ST sales give us financial stability, irrespective of performances on the pitch. Do you think that if we have a poor season, non ST holders would turn up and pay even £20? History at Pool tells us not.
Absolutely bang on.
 
Yes, but if you are going to spend the time and money on a trip from Hampshire to watch Pool, would £5 discount really make a difference?

The club has a business plan and if it waters down match day prices, it will result in fewer ST sales, which means it cannot plan financially. That has a direct impact on the playing budget and general investment.

Look at it this way, the ST sales give us financial stability, irrespective of performances on the pitch. Do you think that if we have a poor season, non ST holders would turn up and pay even £20? History at Pool tells us not.
20 he wants it for 15 which works out cheaper than a Season Ticket. 😳
 
No problem charging Cardiff fans that but there where lies the problem you have to charge the aways your cheapest general admission price so if we did it for 20 they would have to be sold at that price also.

You could be a Bristol fan having to pay 33 next week!
Not true the club had to just think things through a bit better and be more creative with the pricing instead of just taking what the 900 or so season ticket holders said on the BST survey

Oh and Bristol is a far more affluent town than Blackpool with a much larger average wage ...
 
So Cardiff is the highest category? Why? First game and a decent one but not a special game like the local derby, I thought Cardiff had cat b written all over it. Coventry cat b? What is c then?

Coventry is pretty much as low as they come for excitement.

So its not priced for pool fans but for potential for away fans to bring more.

Bit of a poor move as its not putting pool fans 1st imo.

Some odd pricing strategies by the board for me recently. Not the strategy I would have gone with to maximise our numbers. Doesn't seem thats their strategy though...

Not helping as much as we could to attract the floating supporter. Don't get me wrong the draw of the games will attract fans and if we do well that is key to people wanting to come also. But price is a factor and not one we've hit the sweetspot on with multiple examples now.

In a town like Blackpool too, surely you'd know about the lack of wealth in some areas... a misjudgement of the area by someone?
 
Just seen that tickets for Cardiff go on sale tomorrow and it is a Category A game. There is also no mention of a membership scheme being introduced, whereby you could pay say 20 pounds and then get 5 pounds off each ticket you bought. So presumably that won’t be happening this season.

So the net effect is that if you aren’t a season ticket holder, you are going to have to pay the same as away fans. Not impressed with that. There should be some incentive for fans who go to 5-10 home games a season.

Yep.

This is the sort of thing that BST should be campaigning about, imo. Weren't they advocating that £20 was plenty not long ago?

It just reinforces the view that it's a bit if a closed shop if you haven't got a season ticket and anyone who might like to go to 5-10 games isn't really welcome.
 
Just seen that tickets for Cardiff go on sale tomorrow and it is a Category A game. There is also no mention of a membership scheme being introduced, whereby you could pay say 20 pounds and then get 5 pounds off each ticket you bought. So presumably that won’t be happening this season.

So the net effect is that if you aren’t a season ticket holder, you are going to have to pay the same as away fans. Not impressed with that. There should be some incentive for fans who go to 5-10 home games a season.
Your incentive is .... It’s your club, it’s run by people who care, the owner has invested a shit ton of money despite losing a shit ton of money over the past 15 months. They can’t possibly please everybody. If you only go to 5-10 games and it costs £20/25 to join, it won’t represent much of a saving when you add it all up.
 
Just on the prices is £24/£28 (depending on the area you sit) too much? At this price point you could attend 10-12 games and still be better off than buying a ST.

FWIW I would have put Coventry as Category C with it being midweek and just after another home fixture.
 
So you want us to go down?
I've not said that but if they're having or choosing to do things like this then there's not much longevity to it that I can see. Everything about the financial structure of the whole league is wrong really. When was the last season where a club in the championship didn't have some sort of pretend restriction put on them by the EFL.
 
Not a great price and I am totally against categorising games, but until football gets to grips with player wages this or similar will be the going rate for match day tickets in the Championship.
 
Not true the club had to just think things through a bit better and be more creative with the pricing instead of just taking what the 900 or so season ticket holders said on the BST survey

Oh and Bristol is a far more affluent town than Blackpool with a much larger average wage ...
What's not true you don't have to charge the same for away fans as your matchday price?
 
I've not said that but if they're having or choosing to do things like this then there's not much longevity to it that I can see. Everything about the financial structure of the whole league is wrong really. When was the last season where a club in the championship didn't have some sort of pretend restriction put on them by the EFL.
You fundamentally said you wouldn't shed a tear if this season ends in relegation in order to get cheaper tickets....
 
Not a great price and I am totally against categorising games, but until football gets to grips with player wages this or similar will be the going rate for match day tickets in the Championship.
That's what I'm trying to get at.

If the club feel they're having to do certain things just to try and keep up with the joneses then where does that stop when you get into that cycle. I suggested a membership option on the BST questionnaire for those who can't do a full season ticket but still want to play a part. But it looks like they're going after away fans as the priority in our own stadium and everyone else either has to accept that or doesn't go. So it is what it is.

You fundamentally said you wouldn't shed a tear if this season ends in relegation in order to get cheaper tickets....

Still want the team to do well on the pitch but everything has to come with a sense check applied to it surely. What is next years' 28 quid going to be, 33? Doesn't look a great financial model to be following to me. I thought 25 max is the most they'd go.
 
That's what I'm trying to get at.

If the club feel they're having to do certain things just to try and keep up with the joneses then where does that stop when you get into that cycle. I suggested a membership option on the BST questionnaire for those who can't do a full season ticket but still want to play a part. But it looks like they're going after away fans as the priority in our own stadium and everyone else either has to accept that or doesn't go. So it is what it is.



Still want the team to do well on the pitch but everything has to come with a sense check applied to it surely. What is next years' 28 quid going to be, 33? Doesn't look a great financial model to be following to me. I thought 25 max is the most they'd go.
I would've preferred a standard price across the board for all games of £25 for a matchday ticket.
 
Still want the team to do well on the pitch but everything has to come with a sense check applied to it surely. What is next years' 28 quid going to be, 33? Doesn't look a great financial model to be following to me. I thought 25 max is the most they'd go.
I don't think it is a great financial model... far from it. Maybe it's just the way you phrased it that got me irked? So if my response came aacross as harsh I apologise. This is mainly because the problem isn't ours and ours alone. In the mean time (despite being pretty hard up myself) I can still see sense in trying to compete by charging higher prices in general.

Sure, that's not (morally) right when it comes to access to the game for all... but if the alternative is relegation through lack of finance? I'd rather just go to half of games or less and us stay higher up the leagues than have a cheap ST and see us relegated.

The alternative is we charge less on average and either suffer on the pitch because we can't employ the same standard of player for our division or the owner chips in even more and makes up the difference, which SS said in his last statement he simply can't afford to do.
 
That's what I'm trying to get at.

If the club feel they're having to do certain things just to try and keep up with the joneses then where does that stop when you get into that cycle. I suggested a membership option on the BST questionnaire for those who can't do a full season ticket but still want to play a part. But it looks like they're going after away fans as the priority in our own stadium and everyone else either has to accept that or doesn't go. So it is what it is.



Still want the team to do well on the pitch but everything has to come with a sense check applied to it surely. What is next years' 28 quid going to be, 33? Doesn't look a great financial model to be following to me. I thought 25 max is the most they'd go.
I agree with this. I don't think the suits in the club are really in touch. Of course they will say that's how it is, we have to operate in the structure that exists, but it isn't doing other clubs any good. My view is that you do the right thing, you keep prices as affordable as possible to encourage mass participation, and you accept the level that you operate at, which is really what poolfc is saying. I would buy a season ticket and would be happy to pay £359 but won't get to enough games. The match pricing is going to push a lot of folks away. I think that's hard to argue against.
 
I don't think it is a great financial model... far from it. Maybe it's just the way you phrased it that got me irked? So if my response came aacross as harsh I apologise. This is mainly because the problem isn't ours and ours alone. In the mean time (despite being pretty hard up myself) I can still see sense in trying to compete by charging higher prices in general.

Sure, that's not (morally) right when it comes to access to the game for all... but if the alternative is relegation through lack of finance? I'd rather just go to half of games or less and us stay higher up the leagues than have a cheap ST and see us relegated.

The alternative is we charge less on average and either suffer on the pitch because we can't employ the same standard of player for our division or the owner chips in even more and makes up the difference, which SS said in his last statement he simply can't afford to do.
Sorry if I irked you but the whole concept of the way this is heading doesn't impress me much so that's why I said it. I don't want a relegation for football reasons but it makes you wonder if it were to happen what the reaction would be now. As you can't just pretend going down this route on ticketing never happened once you start with stuff like this. At some point the link breaks between just being grateful that it's not Oyston any more and what you've got now.

I think there's ways you can lower your overheads to save money to make money. Like making less costly mistakes in the transfer market and not having to pay employees off to get rid early or being stuck with them. I've just spent the past week questioning paying for a right back as a full financial package when goals win games. Don't have to go full-on Oyston with it but football needs more sensible decision making to me. Which is obviously nothing new to anyone.

I would've preferred a standard price across the board for all games of £25 for a matchday ticket.
Aye. 22-25 thereabouts. Think the 20's plenty thing is dead now and was just something that sounded OK when that FSA/FSF/whoever it is that Plumbs doesn't like kept saying it as it rhymes.
 
Can see both sides of the argument on this one but ultimately we will see if the proof of the pricing is correct in the attendences

If we have sold 7.5k season tickets then if each game is not above 10k including away fans then I would think that the model implemented has not been a success, although I would think that very few games would be under 10k
 
Sorry if I irked you but the whole concept of the way this is heading doesn't impress me much so that's why I said it. I don't want a relegation for football reasons but it makes you wonder if it were to happen what the reaction would be now. As you can't just pretend going down this route on ticketing never happened once you start with stuff like this. At some point the link breaks between just being grateful that it's not Oyston any more and what you've got now.

I think there's ways you can lower your overheads to save money to make money. Like making less costly mistakes in the transfer market and not having to pay employees off to get rid early or being stuck with them. I've just spent the past week questioning paying for a right back as a full financial package when goals win games. Don't have to go full-on Oyston with it but football needs more sensible decision making to me. Which is obviously nothing new to anyone.


Aye. 22-25 thereabouts. Think the 20's plenty thing is dead now and was just something that sounded OK when that FSA/FSF/whoever it is that Plumbs doesn't like kept saying it as it rhymes.
Like i said, maybe it was the way it was phrased rather than the principle because at the core of your argument I agree.

Many times I wished relegation upon us because I thought the financial penalty of it would rid us of the oystons. Turns out it didn't need something quite that drastic!

I do feel that the set up we have now is aimed at limiting a waste of money from the clubs perspective. But that can only keep ticket prices so low. At some point (imo) the funds have to come from elsewhere and in football terms that usually (nearly 100% of the time) means from the fans.

My argument against not paying for a right back when "we should be investing in scoring more goals" is two fold. First, if you're conceding goals because our dense is weak then we have to spend even more to score more goals. Second if our team is weak then we're not as able to play as an efficient unit and therefore can't get the ball forward to create more chances.

I guess it's a questions as to how you approach building a team. I'd say, start from the back. I'd hazard a guess at saying you'd rather it built from the front? Please, correct me if I'm wrong?

Edit: To add, you're again right... football does need more sensible decision making. I can't see that starting with a championship team or one in the lower leagues. But I get the point. For me that has to be a fundamental shift of the whole football hierarchy. I'll be honest I've no idea how that could be achieved in the current football climate of the last couple of decades or moving forward. Maybe things need to get worse before they can get better?
 
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I think the prices are higher than we are used to, and will take lot of getting used to for some.

What's missing from this thread though is context. I'm assuming that everyone wants us to be competitive. This is a League where we start miles behind some of the others in terms of fan base and parachute payments. Add in the fact that well over half the Division regularly spends MORE than 100% of turnover on wages and the extra TV revenue we are going to get starts to look like a peanut in a bucket.

We have to survive before we can thrive. That means getting the most out of our revenue streams in the short term so that we can actually enjoy a medium term in this league. The owner is putting a lot of money in, but he can't do it for ever. And if we are going to look upon him as a temporary custodian of a community asset (or whatever the saying is), then said community has to take some share of the burden. It's just the way it is.

I wish the club would actually explain its thinking on these things. They had a chance at the Structured Dialogue to lay it all out for us and didn't take it. I'd rather read about the CEO telling us a few financial facts of life than having him field banal questions about where we would like to finish in the League.
 
Home Match day ticket prices Championship Most clubs have a fixed price, others have different prices for different areas and some have membership schemes so no prices available. I have either put the fixed prices for those who have it and the cheapest seats for those who have different pricing. I have put our pricing as our middle tier so could have gone lower.

So come on....... let's hear it...... I think I can hear the excuses already!!

Swansea £35
Fulham £35
Millwall £33
Bristol City £33
Bournemouth £33
Derby £32
QPR £31
Sheff Utd £30
Posh £30
Huddersfield £30
Middlesbrough £30
Coventry £30
Cardiff £28
Blackburn £28
Hull £28
Barnsley £28
Reading £27
Blackpool £26
Luton £26
PNE £24
Birmingham N/A
Nottingham Forest N/A
Stoke N/A
WBA N/A
 
Do we get a share of the parachute payments now Norwich and Watford went back up ?
 
This is where having a network of people who buy season tickets and then don't use them comes in handy!

I won't be shedding a tear if the season ends in a relegation and then they drop this and start needing POTG home fans again tbh.
😳😤 seriously?
 
Let’s say for arguments sake that a season ticket is 300. That roughly equates to 11 match day tickets, effectively half a seasons games.
If you intend to go to more than half a season then you get a season ticket. If the match ticket is much cheaper then people won’t buy season tickets.
Simon can’t win can he…..
 
What's not true you don't have to charge the same for away fans as your matchday price?
So we charge away fans more - so our loyal away fans then get screwed when we play the away game? All because people are moaning about paying £5 above what they think is value.

Some need to get a grip and get behind SS. There is no rip off at BFC, we are getting value for money and the Board are doing great work bringing our club back up to standard.
 
To put our pricing into perspective, in the Championship, my local club Altrincham (still not a professional club) charge £17 match day in the Conference.
 
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Home Match day ticket prices Championship Most clubs have a fixed price, others have different prices for different areas and some have membership schemes so no prices available. I have either put the fixed prices for those who have it and the cheapest seats for those who have different pricing. I have put our pricing as our middle tier so could have gone lower.

So come on....... let's hear it...... I think I can hear the excuses already!!

Swansea £35
Fulham £35
Millwall £33
Bristol City £33
Bournemouth £33
Derby £32
QPR £31
Sheff Utd £30
Posh £30
Huddersfield £30
Middlesbrough £30
Coventry £30
Cardiff £28
Blackburn £28
Hull £28
Barnsley £28
Reading £27
Blackpool £26
Luton £26
PNE £24
Birmingham N/A
Nottingham Forest N/A
Stoke N/A
WBA N/A

Interesting. Before I say anything, I think all those prices are too high. But people that think we can remain competitive by charging £20 instead of £28 to get a few hundred extra in, possibly a thousand, when we're up against clubs getting 15-30k fans in at £30+ a pop are living in cloud cuckoo land. As i've always said, cheap prices won't build a fanbase, a successful football team will. A good team is the only way you can get new/casual fans hooked. We got 8k in the championship pre-prem, and 13k post prem in the same league on similar prices. Good football gets people coming back, it's the only thing that does.
 
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I think the prices are higher than we are used to, and will take lot of getting used to for some.

What's missing from this thread though is context. I'm assuming that everyone wants us to be competitive. This is a League where we start miles behind some of the others in terms of fan base and parachute payments. Add in the fact that well over half the Division regularly spends MORE than 100% of turnover on wages and the extra TV revenue we are going to get starts to look like a peanut in a bucket.

We have to survive before we can thrive. That means getting the most out of our revenue streams in the short term so that we can actually enjoy a medium term in this league. The owner is putting a lot of money in, but he can't do it for ever. And if we are going to look upon him as a temporary custodian of a community asset (or whatever the saying is), then said community has to take some share of the burden. It's just the way it is.

I wish the club would actually explain its thinking on these things. They had a chance at the Structured Dialogue to lay it all out for us and didn't take it. I'd rather read about the CEO telling us a few financial facts of life than having him field banal questions about where we would like to finish in the League.
I don't agree with doing things to copy clubs that are in a mess just because that's how it is, as I don't know what the end game is with that. It doesn't feel very sustainable. But it seems like lots do so whatever really. Just get on with it.

Agree with your last paragraph. A 'we know it's not great but it's just for one year whilst we weigh the job up after covid and stuff and we'll review it' type of statement would be OK, I think.
 
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