28 for Cardiff City

A membership scheme is the way forward. Charge £25 per season and get a fiver off the match day price. It would reward regular match goers, but still make it worthwhile to get a season ticket if you were going to most games.
So you’re advocating a scheme that would effectively reduce the number of ST purchases, by making it more attractive to pay £25 membership and pick & choose games (and just not bother if the team is struggling).

I’m struggling with the idea against the true definition of a fan.
 
This is where having a network of people who buy season tickets and then don't use them comes in handy!

I won't be shedding a tear if the season ends in a relegation and then they drop this and start needing POTG home fans again tbh.

A genuine Blackpool Fan obviously! (not)
 
So you’re advocating a scheme that would effectively reduce the number of ST purchases, by making it more attractive to pay £25 membership and pick & choose games (and just not bother if the team is struggling).

I’m struggling with the idea against the true definition of a fan.

That's the complete opposite of what I'm advocating, as I said in the post you quoted.

Regardless of your true definition of a fan, a membership would appeal to a lot of our supporters who can't get a season ticket due to upfront cost or work pattern etc.

I bought season tickets last season and have done again this season, so it doesn't affect me. I just want as many Pool fans in the ground on a matchday as possible. Anything that makes that easier is to be encouraged, imo.
 
That's the complete opposite of what I'm advocating, as I said in the post you quoted.

Regardless of your true definition of a fan, a membership would appeal to a lot of our supporters who can't get a season ticket due to upfront cost or work pattern etc.

I bought season tickets last season and have done again this season, so it doesn't affect me. I just want as many Pool fans in the ground on a matchday as possible. Anything that makes that easier is to be encouraged, imo.
I get the sentiment, but you are advocating a scheme that a good number would prefer, over buying a ST, even those that could afford one.

How is SS supposed to plan financially? Such a scheme would reduce ST purchases.

Membership schemes elsewhere provide different benefits, so priority for / discounted cup tickets. They don’t impact on the selling of ST’s.
 
What utter fuckin tosh, call yourself a fan!
A genuine Blackpool Fan obviously! (not)
This has to be the worst post I’ve ever read on AVFTT.
Sorry it was a bit reactionary lads. In the full context the football team I care about less so this approach to ticketing as I don't see a way back from it. I don't think that making the move to charging home fans more to charge away fans (depending on who it is) more on the day, or whatever it is they're trying to achieve, is a particularly sustainable model for our club or for football full stop. It's nothing new but I just didn't think we'd just jump straight in and join in with it. Shouldn't have to be thinking about ways around it like I highlighted but I bet quite a few do.

Just have to see what happens with it now but as you can probably tell it made me angry. Not just for now (it's obviously amplified after a year out) but for where they go next with it as a pricing model to follow.
 
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Yep.

This is the sort of thing that BST should be campaigning about, imo. Weren't they advocating that £20 was plenty not long ago?

It just reinforces the view that it's a bit if a closed shop if you haven't got a season ticket and anyone who might like to go to 5-10 games isn't really welcome.
They did but stay strangely quiet on this. They are becoming the new bisa but without the I of course.
 
Sorry it was a bit reactionary lads. In the full context the football team I care about less so this approach to ticketing as I don't see a way back from it. I don't think that making the move to charging home fans more to charge away fans more on the day, or whatever it is they're trying to achieve, is a particularly sustainable model for our club or for football full stop. It's nothing new but I just didn't think we'd just jump straight in and join in with it. Shouldn't have to be thinking about ways around it like I highlighted but I bet quite a few do.

Just have to see what happens with it now but as you can probably tell it made me angry. Not just for now (it's obviously amplified after a year out) but for where they go next with it as a pricing model to follow.
I think you need to look at this differently, to understand why what BFC is doing, is no different to any other service business. It has to make money and it needs to plan financially. It’s not about charging casual home fans more to bump up away prices. It simply wants to make buying a ST more attractive, so of course it’s going to charge more for casual fans, who will generally want to choose the big matches.


For the life of me I don’t get what there is to be angry about.
 
I think you need to look at this differently, to understand why what BFC is doing, is no different to any other service business. It has to make money and it needs to plan financially. It’s not about charging casual home fans more to bump up away prices. It simply wants to make buying a ST more attractive, so of course it’s going to charge more for casual fans, who will generally want to choose the big matches.


For the life of me I don’t get what there is to be angry about.
Nah, they are exploiting fans, pure and simple.
People need to wake up.
 
Genuinely, it’s too steep for me at £28.

Had my brother and I who used to be STH, brother in law and father in law primed for it. As the other two aren’t Blackpool fans I think over £20-22 will put them off.

Will hopefully get to some lower category games or if they do some block deals I’d pick one of them up if it works out around £22 a ticket.
 
Home Match day ticket prices Championship Most clubs have a fixed price, others have different prices for different areas and some have membership schemes so no prices available. I have either put the fixed prices for those who have it and the cheapest seats for those who have different pricing. I have put our pricing as our middle tier so could have gone lower.

So come on....... let's hear it...... I think I can hear the excuses already!!

Swansea £35
Fulham £35
Millwall £33
Bristol City £33
Bournemouth £33
Derby £32
QPR £31
Sheff Utd £30
Posh £30
Huddersfield £30
Middlesbrough £30
Coventry £30
Cardiff £28
Blackburn £28
Hull £28
Barnsley £28
Reading £27
Blackpool £26
Luton £26
PNE £24
Birmingham N/A
Nottingham Forest N/A
Stoke N/A
WBA N/A
Ours is 24 for the middle bracket games when advanced purchased.

Which seems not too bad but then you consider Cardiff is classed as highest category and you wonder a bit then.

28 advance and 30 on the day, people will have to break some old habits and the way that many who feel like going and go down.

It may be that some more casual fans who want to go last minute see 30 quid and say ill give it a miss.

Those who want a flat 25, depending on how categories was implemented, having more games at 20 and 24 is obviously better.

I dont know, I just want the stadium as full as possible, building the fanbase can pay off as higher numbers and sales do offset a cheaper price and its almost like a long term investment. The more fans for life you add the better.

To attract the floating fan success is key but price also a factor too. We cant always be as successful, be very hard to go up again. A price people can't refuse is another way. One thats so good it doesn't cause these debates only promotes the spread of good news.

I'd like to see some initiatives, well, if we had space for new fans and weren't filling the east with away fans or no fans.

Free pie and pint for new fans, i don't know there's tons we can do.
 
I can see both sides of the argument, the club is a business and makes decisions based on maximising revenue. They’ve clearly looked at all options and decided this is the best one to achieve that objective.

I’m sure they’ve taken account of the “fact” that Blackpool is apparently the most deprived area in the country and concluded that those on low incomes will be spending their money on food and other essentials, rather than football tickets, whatever the price.
Time will tell if they’re right or wrong.
 
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3 of us getting tickets later... yes £28 is more than I would like to pay but just look around at the ground... squad (still more to come)...we could have only dreamt of being in this position prior to Simon arriving.

Do agree some kind of discount/flexi ticket would be good idea. Maybe they should include if you buy x amount of tics at £28/£30 any further tics you get £5 off.. that would certainly intise me to some games that without discount I would give a miss.
 
I think you’ll find you’re the one sleeping. The world and business has moved on. There is no exploitation at BFC, the pricing structure is sound and reasonable. If you don’t like it, you can watch park football for free.
He's upset because we've moved on from altruistic owners putting the club first, as we were under his heroes.
 
Not true the club had to just think things through a bit better and be more creative with the pricing instead of just taking what the 900 or so season ticket holders said on the BST survey

Oh and Bristol is a far more affluent town than Blackpool with a much larger average wage ...
I don't disagree with but you can't criticise the club of disagreeing with what 900 fans said and agreeing with what one fan said. (a bit of poetic license but you get my drift)
 
This is where having a network of people who buy season tickets and then don't use them comes in handy!

I won't be shedding a tear if the season ends in a relegation and then they drop this and start needing POTG home fans again tbh.
What a shocking comment to make. Poor.
 
£28 in a low income, poverty riddled town like Blackpool is too steep. I thought Sadler wanted to attract new fans as well as win the old fans back? Getting fans to return is far, far harder than losing them. I know the O's did so, so much wrong but they did price it right at times and did the bulk discount games thing too.

I will pay it as I can't get a season ticket due to family commitments, but I know a few who won't pay it. Couple of fans of other clubs (Prem) who I know, said they'd take in a few games next season but won't now.

Sadler has done a fantastic job so far but I think he could have done better here. Just my opinion.
 
Cards on the table, I personally I think the pricing is about right for the division we are in.
I also think you need to be careful in structuring your match day tickets low. There is no guarantee this will increase attendance to the level needed that would pay for the drop and secondly it might even work the other way and be a disincentive to St holders who then just potg but only for the bigger games and if things aren't great on the pitch don't bother at all.
As with everything its a balance and one I think they have got about right. They will never please everyone but its a business who will look to maximise revenue by taking the majority with them and unfortunately if that means a few people can't afford to go then that's what it will be.
 
This is where having a network of people who buy season tickets and then don't use them comes in handy!

I won't be shedding a tear if the season ends in a relegation and then they drop this and start needing POTG home fans again tbh.
A: Do you ‘borrow’ a season ticket for free or give the holder(s) anything towards their cost.
B: As a POTG, you won’t be going this season ‘cos it’s too expensive?
C: Do you really think prices will drop next season?
 
I agree with this. I don't think the suits in the club are really in touch. Of course they will say that's how it is, we have to operate in the structure that exists, but it isn't doing other clubs any good. My view is that you do the right thing, you keep prices as affordable as possible to encourage mass participation, and you accept the level that you operate at, which is really what poolfc is saying. I would buy a season ticket and would be happy to pay £359 but won't get to enough games. The match pricing is going to push a lot of folks away. I think that's hard to argue against.
I had taken you for a ST holder Voy.
I appreciate, therefore, that you go to as many as your family/work/finance allows?
I was in that position in my past.
 
I had taken you for a ST holder Voy.
I appreciate, therefore, that you go to as many as your family/work/finance allows?
I was in that position in my past.
For a long time family and finance got in the way, then I stopped going altogether when Holloway left, now it's other things I do that mean I can get to some games and not others. I have considered getting a ST this time and getting to as many as possible but another issue is doing it all on my own. My son wants to go occasionally too, so we need 2 seats together. That will now be 56 quid plus travel. I'll do some on my own too. If the average price is £26 then I'd need to do more than 14 home games to make a ST worthwhile. I still might get a ST. I wasn't expecting the 28 category.
 
£28 in a low income, poverty riddled town like Blackpool is too steep. I thought Sadler wanted to attract new fans as well as win the old fans back? Getting fans to return is far, far harder than losing them. I know the O's did so, so much wrong but they did price it right at times and did the bulk discount games thing too.

I will pay it as I can't get a season ticket due to family commitments, but I know a few who won't pay it. Couple of fans of other clubs (Prem) who I know, said they'd take in a few games next season but won't now.

Sadler has done a fantastic job so far but I think he could have done better here. Just my opinion.
The question is what fans want for their club. Under the O’s there was no investment, not even when we hit the PL, so their business model was different.

What any fan should want is progress, particularly for future generations. Wasn’t that the point of NAPM?

Under SS, we can already see very significant investment. Long may that continue, and we fans have a big part to play.
 
All this moaning and when the Preston games come around, non ST holders will be racing to buy Category A tickets. It’ll be the same if we are near the top towards the end of the season. And we had 30k fans at Wembley twice, all happy to spend probably in excess of £100 on the day out, on 1 match.
There's a difference between rare occasions and regular occasions, which isn't difficult to work out.
 
There's a difference between rare occasions and regular occasions, which isn't difficult to work out.
Of course Voy, but this thread was about £28 and the pricing structure. Our first home game back in the Championship. For many, the first match in over 18 months. A match played in summer and likely to attract a large away following. This was always a Cat A match, in the same way Preston, Blackburn and others will be.

Surely you cannot expect the club to build a business model and pricing around what you describe as rare occasion fans?
 
Exactly my thoughts, it not us 8k, it the next 2-4k that we need to be targeting.
I will have a listen later, but re the next 2-4K fans, they already exist, we’ve seen that time and again for big games. They just choose their games and SS cannot rebuild the club and plan for the future on floating fans.
 
20 he wants it for 15 which works out cheaper than a Season Ticket. 😳
It's not that far.
Time to respond to a couple of points on here.

I agree with the point that giving a 5 pound discount on a 20 ticket would be ridiculous. I should have made it clear that I thought the discount should apply to the A and B categorised games.

As for Wizard’s comment that “it’s not that far”, I have just looked at what matters the most to Yorkies which is the cost.

The cheapest return train fare from my local station to Blackpool on the first match day, using a senior railcard, is 70 pounds.

Compared to from say Bradford, where with a senior railcard you can get to the game for 10 pounds.
 
We haven't been able to go to Bloomfield Road since February 2020 (trial games aside).

We're in the Championship with a fantastic owner and coach. We just tied down our prize asset to a 4 year contract. We boycotted for years for this exact scenario! (Could we even have dreamed of this so quickly?)

If you moan about supporting your lifelong team at this point, I'm thinking you'll never be happy. AFC Fylde charge £22 in the National League North FFS.

Of course the first home game back (irrespective of opponent) is Category A.
 
Time to respond to a couple of points on here.

I agree with the point that giving a 5 pound discount on a 20 ticket would be ridiculous. I should have made it clear that I thought the discount should apply to the A and B categorised games.

As for Wizard’s comment that “it’s not that far”, I have just looked at what matters the most to Yorkies which is the cost.

The cheapest return train fare from my local station to Blackpool on the first match day, using a senior railcard, is 70 pounds.

Compared to from say Bradford, where with a senior railcard you can get to the game for 10 pounds.
All credit to you for making the long journey. It’s an expensive day no doubt, and I’m sure the £5 won’t make a difference to your decision to travel.

There will be more demand for tickets on the A and maybe some B games, so there is no need to discount. All that would then happen, is that casual fans would avoid the C games. I’m sure you’d agree that would not be right and that it would not go down well with 8k ST holders.
 
Time to respond to a couple of points on here.

I agree with the point that giving a 5 pound discount on a 20 ticket would be ridiculous. I should have made it clear that I thought the discount should apply to the A and B categorised games.

As for Wizard’s comment that “it’s not that far”, I have just looked at what matters the most to Yorkies which is the cost.

The cheapest return train fare from my local station to Blackpool on the first match day, using a senior railcard, is 70 pounds.

Compared to from say Bradford, where with a senior railcard you can get to the game for 10 pounds.
So you want A gamesto be 23
B-19 with discounts
C-20 no difference.
It makes no sense.
 
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So how do you grow the fanbase?
The fan base will grow, but it takes time. For example, my lad is a Pool fan and ST holder. Neither of us are from Blackpool, but I took him and he caught the bug. There are many others with the exact same story.

So the fan base grows through the generations, but it also grows more quickly with investment and success. Fans want to see good football, good players, on a good pitch and in a stadium that merits payment of the ticket fee. That’s what SS is building.

Wider, across the NW, we can do more to put Blackpool FC in the spotlight, to attract fans that have no connection with the town.
 
I can't believe the grief Poolfc is getting

He's one of the most knowledgeably posters on this site on football matters

He isn't happy with the prices and he's not the only one ...

Like a pack of wolves you lot
 
A: Do you ‘borrow’ a season ticket for free or give the holder(s) anything towards their cost.
B: As a POTG, you won’t be going this season ‘cos it’s too expensive?
C: Do you really think prices will drop next season?
A - Unfortunately I don't have that network but you know that for those maybe that do but can't commit the same, there will be people trying to find ways around this. Which is why I mentioned it. And nobody should need to be doing that.

B - If it's something you really want to be at then you are. And when the season starts all this likely goes away and you get on with it. Clubs know this and they all talk to each other, obviously. I just thought that whilst there is debts to try to chase down, they'd be having a sensible reset after covid after they've just spent time talking about how important the fans are. But it doesn't look like that's going to be the case. So yes this has made me think twice about a bigger picture rather than just the next match and yes I'm not going to complain only to then just toe the line on it completely.

C - If a relegation did happen then they would have to drop the tiered pricing structure and go flat rate again, surely? Either way anything that looks like it might put people off doesn't look like a way forward. Not to me anyway but if everyone else is on board with it then whatever really.
 
Of course Voy, but this thread was about £28 and the pricing structure. Our first home game back in the Championship. For many, the first match in over 18 months. A match played in summer and likely to attract a large away following. This was always a Cat A match, in the same way Preston, Blackburn and others will be.

Surely you cannot expect the club to build a business model and pricing around what you describe as rare occasion fans?
No you described them as rare occasion fans. I'm talking about fans who go to maybe 8 -15 games a season. Quite a few I reckon. I expect to be in that range this season. Watch others on Sky or TTV.

I appreciate that BFC is operating within an industry that has chosen a full on corporate moidel and that is my real gripe - I hate the corporate nature of the top two divisions. I hate the notion that local Blackpool people will be priced out, that kids won't get to fall in love like I did in the late 60s when my skint dad was able to take me and my brother to home games regularly. It was our one treat, the thing we did together. I thought Sadler wanted a community club? I will be fine, I will stump up the cash.
 
I can't believe the grief Poolfc is getting

He's one of the most knowledgeably posters on this site on football matters

He isn't happy with the prices and he's not the only one ...

Like a pack of wolves you lot
Exactly and I wonder who's behind it? I just had to send this in after numerous complaints on one of my posts apparently.

"I understand that a post has been removed concerning comments about BSTs secretary being out of touch with the local community, but this isnt criticism on the person concerned as such.

I have had many issues with the Football Supporters Association on the fact their main committee is London-centric ,where for instance one member is Exeters representative but lives in London

This is important because the economic demographic changes regionally especially after the COVID issues, and in my view these London based fans have no idea when it comes to debating ticket prices etc and its a wholly relevant point.

AVFTT needs to stop pandering to the Blackpool Supporters Trust who are once again trying to run this board in my view"
 
Exactly and I wonder who's behind it? I just had to send this in after numerous complaints on one of my posts apparently.

"I understand that a post has been removed concerning comments about BSTs secretary being out of touch with the local community, but this isnt criticism on the person concerned as such.

I have had many issues with the Football Supporters Association on the fact their main committee is London-centric ,where for instance one member is Exeters representative but lives in London

This is important because the economic demographic changes regionally especially after the COVID issues, and in my view these London based fans have no idea when it comes to debating ticket prices etc and its a wholly relevant point.

AVFTT needs to stop pandering to the Blackpool Supporters Trust who are once again trying to run this board in my view"
Bit paranoid that Plumbs.

I’ve been quite vocal on this thread, but I’ve no connection with BST and I’m not a member. My views are my own and Poolfc has acknowledged he could have made his point differently.
 
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