So it's a no to Mitch Clarke

Shame, thought he did well considering it was his first game with the team. Maybe the finances didn't stack up.

We can only hope there's an alternative in the wings.
 
I thought he was just ok...couple of decent last ditch tackles but didnt look that mobile going forward...I hope we push the boat out for Gabriel, a player we know fits the bill and has the requisite pace. If not we need somebody with similar attributes. Right back is one position where we are severely lacking and have not improved the team yet.
 
You would imagine they have made progress on a better alternative and are close to completing. Gabriel maybe.
 
I thought he was just ok...couple of decent last ditch tackles but didnt look that mobile going forward...I hope we push the boat out for Gabriel, a player we know fits the bill and has the requisite pace. If not we need somebody with similar attributes. Right back is one position where we are severely lacking and have not improved the team yet.
Completely agree, he will get better and better as he did last season, he has resale value and he’s rapid which gives us an outlet going forward and also helps him recover defensively.

People moaning about the price baffles me.
 
Getting twitchy … the lack of a recognised right-back a week from the season is not a great advertisement for the new recruitment structure …
Oh for gods sake. Man City need a striker and they haven’t got one yet. It’s not easy to fill every position before the season starts. This may take until the window shuts, which is when your recruitment should be properly judged.
 
Getting twitchy … the lack of a recognised right-back a week from the season is not a great advertisement for the new recruitment structure …

I felt more confident after last pre season (probably wrongly with hindsight) This prep hasn't been ideal with Covid again & injuries, but I've no reason to doubt our recruitment strategies. Whilst a decent start would calm a few nerves, lets assess it after the first half dozen games, before the Critchley out mob start whinging again 🙄 The Championship is no doubt a step up but I believe we've still got enough to be competitive, with a few more coming in soon. I can't say I'd like to run a football club, even if I had sufficient money, the figures are truly frightening.
 
Completely agree, he will get better and better as he did last season, he has resale value and he’s rapid which gives us an outlet going forward and also helps him recover defensively.

People moaning about the price baffles me.
What do you think is a fair price for a right back who isn’t wanted by a club in the same division??
Straight question btw???
 
I felt more confident after last pre season (probably wrongly with hindsight) This prep hasn't been ideal with Covid again & injuries, but I've no reason to doubt our recruitment strategies. Whilst a decent start would calm a few nerves, lets assess it after the first half dozen games, before the Critchley out mob start whinging again 🙄 The Championship is no doubt a step up but I believe we've still got enough to be competitive, with a few more coming in soon. I can't say I'd like to run a football club, even if I had sufficient money, the figures are truly frightening.
Yeah, the sums don't add up. The parachute money really distorts the division. Harry Wilson's transfer fee is bigger than our entire player budget I would imagine.
 
Getting twitchy … the lack of a recognised right-back a week from the season is not a great advertisement for the new recruitment structure …
There is no need for anyone to get twitchy.....there is a month of the window to go and no club has their squad 'complete' for the first game of the season. A lot of transfers will go on in August. The club are clearly playing the long game and holding out for Gabriel which in my view will go to the end of the window. The club are so meticulous in their decision making now there will be a reason why they have not gone for Clark. So I would say just wait and see what materialises over the month of August. My guess is that by 1 September we will all be happy if not then is the time to judge.....not now.
 
I felt more confident after last pre season (probably wrongly with hindsight) This prep hasn't been ideal with Covid again & injuries, but I've no reason to doubt our recruitment strategies. Whilst a decent start would calm a few nerves, lets assess it after the first half dozen games, before the Critchley out mob start whinging again 🙄 The Championship is no doubt a step up but I believe we've still got enough to be competitive, with a few more coming in soon. I can't say I'd like to run a football club, even if I had sufficient money, the figures are truly frightening.
I do wonder about the 2 lists we apparently had dependant on the division and have we managed to secure the players or calibre of player we mentioned.

We have some potential exciting talent, Lavery, Carey, Casey, Bowler, James, Connolly etc

Are these they type of players we would have got for league 1? We managed to get some good ones in league 1 so who knows, but maybe, maybe not.

I do wonder if they have struggled a bit certainly at RB and maybe other areas.


The route we've gone is largely the young potential for Critch to develop which is obvious, but it does leave you with an unknown quantity of players.
 
I do wonder about the 2 lists we apparently had dependant on the division and have we managed to secure the players or calibre of player we mentioned.

We have some potential exciting talent, Lavery, Carey, Casey, Bowler, James, Connolly etc

Are these they type of players we would have got for league 1? We managed to get some good ones in league 1 so who knows, but maybe, maybe not.

I do wonder if they have struggled a bit certainly at RB and maybe other areas.


The route we've gone is largely the young potential for Critch to develop which is obvious, but it does leave you with an unknown quantity of players.
If we were starting League 1 with this squad I would be delighted and would fancy us to be champions. However we are now in a much better division and I guess the $64 million question is just what is the gulf between the top of League 1 and mid table Championship. I think we can find 4 or 5 teams who are not as good as us and we will therefore stay up. As I said on another thread the loan market may well make or break us.
 
Getting twitchy … the lack of a recognised right-back a week from the season is not a great advertisement for the new recruitment structure …
Disagree
I think we did not take the easy option.
He looked OK esp against Burnley and could improve,and not many would have been against signing him.
Critch is prepared to wait and Connolly is ok for cover in that role till the right player becomes available.
We did same last season in midfield
 
Friendlies are so difficult to measure a players ability, at best they are played at 80%. The biggest factor would have been on the training ground, Critchley clearly thinks we can do better.
 
What do you think is a fair price for a right back who isn’t wanted by a club in the same division??
Straight question btw???
Based on his age and performances last season, I would say £500,000 with a potential increase on appearances. If he signs and plays well he’ll be worth a couple of million next year.

This is exactly the type of signing we should make, young and progressive with sell-on, the only thing that should stop us is it’s thats the total budget.

I don’t get why people are hung up that’s it’s spending money on a right back? We need one & a decent one.
 
Based on his age and performances last season, I would say £500,000 with a potential increase on appearances. If he signs and plays well he’ll be worth a couple of million next year.

This is exactly the type of signing we should make, young and progressive with sell-on, the only thing that should stop us is it’s thats the total budget.

I don’t get why people are hung up that’s it’s spending money on a right back? We need one & a decent one.
My issue is that I’m not convinced he’s a good enough defender to play against the quality we’ll be facing this season. He could get away with it in L1 but if he went up against Harry Wilson and the like I’m not sure he’d cope. Two Forest managers have decided he’s not for them.
 
Well at least we know that we can afford to write off the season until end of October and still reach the Prem. 👍
 
My issue is that I’m not convinced he’s a good enough defender to play against the quality we’ll be facing this season. He could get away with it in L1 but if he went up against Harry Wilson and the like I’m not sure he’d cope. Two Forest managers have decided he’s not for them.
Harry Wilson? He’s good at this level but about 9m overpriced.

I’ll judge football how I always judge it, with my eyes, not on what two Forest managers think that logic does not stack up.

Again I’ll say this. Neal Eardley cost £350,000 12 years ago.
 
I do wonder about the 2 lists we apparently had dependant on the division and have we managed to secure the players or calibre of player we mentioned.

We have some potential exciting talent, Lavery, Carey, Casey, Bowler, James, Connolly etc

Are these they type of players we would have got for league 1? We managed to get some good ones in league 1 so who knows, but maybe, maybe not.

I do wonder if they have struggled a bit certainly at RB and maybe other areas.


The route we've gone is largely the young potential for Critch to develop which is obvious, but it does leave you with an unknown quantity of players.
I think it's fair to say that we haven't brought in proven championship quality as yet, and that we don't know who of last year's squad will be able to make the step up.
 
What do you think is a fair price for a right back who isn’t wanted by a club in the same division??
Straight question btw???
I would say about 400,000 seems about right for Gabriel.
Leicester were asking 300,000 for Clark who has played his football in League 2 so 400,000 to half a million sounds about right for Gabriel.
I think we paid about 250,000 for Eardly over 10 years ago so the price will be significantly more than that.
 
If we were starting League 1 with this squad I would be delighted and would fancy us to be champions. However we are now in a much better division and I guess the $64 million question is just what is the gulf between the top of League 1 and mid table Championship. I think we can find 4 or 5 teams who are not as good as us and we will therefore stay up. As I said on another thread the loan market may well make or break us.
We can cause issues for any side i this division.

The top few sides will be tough but we gave WBA a good game last season , although maybe a few changes. Certainly a lot of lesser sides than the the top 6 of the championship.

Just not sure what we have yet, lots look promising but we just don't really know fully right now. Weve seen some glimpses from Lavety and Bowler, maybe Carey.

But its hard to call.
 
As has been said before there is still this month to recruit and for sure there will be some Prem standard players available once those teams decide on their final squads. There is no need to panic whatsoever and we may have a few bumps in the road early doors, but l would sooner wait for the right player to become available than bring any old shite in. In NC we trust but l wouldn’t be surprised if Gabriel signs this week!
 
Completely agree, he will get better and better as he did last season, he has resale value and he’s rapid which gives us an outlet going forward and also helps him recover defensively.

People moaning about the price baffles me.
People complaining about the club not throwing money around are probably the same ones who were whining about the rise in ST prices.😉
 
It's not our policy to bring in proven Championship quality, cos we can't afford it. Same principle applied in L1. We identify potential and maximize and develop it. We do it well.
And it will bring us a very similar start and finish to last season though I don't think it will involve the playoffs, probably mid-table. Softly, softly catchee monkey as the saying goes.
 
Well tbh I thought Clarke deserved a contract.
Wonder what Leicester were asking price-wise?
We need to get into gear signing these missing positions, or it could be like last season’s start without a decent CB
 
Wonder what Leicester were asking price-wise?

£300k is the figure that is circulating.

That's steep for a player who's played 15 L2 games in the last 2 seasons at the best of times, after Covid doubly so.

To put it another way, does anyone think Leicester are going to offer him another contract at the end of this season?
 
We may stick an 'eBay bid' in, cos the sale period expires on 31/8. Tell Leicester what we're prepared to pay, come back to us if you can't get more, but we may have bought elsewhere in the meantime.
 
Harry Wilson? He’s good at this level but about 9m overpriced.

I’ll judge football how I always judge it, with my eyes, not on what two Forest managers think that logic does not stack up.

Again I’ll say this. Neal Eardley cost £350,000 12 years ago.
Why did Gabriel start just 18 league games for us??? He had a proper defender vying for his position and couldn’t budge him very often. The Championship is a harsh league and while I have no issue signing him, I don’t think he’s ready to be a first choice right back in this league.
We really need 2 fullbacks and an experienced playmaker type midfielder too.
As for Harry Wilson he’s undoubtedly overpriced but that’s parachute payments for you. He’s absolutely worth around £5-6 m
 
We can cause issues for any side i this division.

The top few sides will be tough but we gave WBA a good game last season , although maybe a few changes. Certainly a lot of lesser sides than the the top 6 of the championship.

Just not sure what we have yet, lots look promising but we just don't really know fully right now. Weve seen some glimpses from Lavety and Bowler, maybe Carey.

But its hard to call.
I’d like to see Lavery start tbh
 
Surely we have someone else in the pipeline then? Normally you'd be getting desperate a week before the season starts and you don't have an out-and-out RB in the squad

Hopefully this is a case of complete and utter confidence in our recruitment, not getting trigger happy simply because the season is about to start - if he isn't the right fit then he isn't the right fit, lets not sign him for signing him sake then we can't get someone else down the line. I pray it's that anyway and not just pure madness a week before our first league game!
 
I do wonder about the 2 lists we apparently had dependant on the division and have we managed to secure the players or calibre of player we mentioned.

We have some potential exciting talent, Lavery, Carey, Casey, Bowler, James, Connolly etc

Are these they type of players we would have got for league 1? We managed to get some good ones in league 1 so who knows, but maybe, maybe not.

I do wonder if they have struggled a bit certainly at RB and maybe other areas.


The route we've gone is largely the young potential for Critch to develop which is obvious, but it does leave you with an unknown quantity of players.
Very few from the A list I’d guess
 
Make a decent offer but not over the top if it is accepted good if not walk away..
We should do the same with Embliton and move on.
 
£300k is the figure that is circulating.

That's steep for a player who's played 15 L2 games in the last 2 seasons at the best of times, after Covid doubly so.

To put it another way, does anyone think Leicester are going to offer him another contract at the end of this season?
I thought Leicester were trying to offload him. If that requested fee is true, it smacks of clubs with expensive academies trying to claw some cash back.

I read some things about Clark, where he wanted to quit the game and kept getting sent off, that made me wonder if he was too big a gamble so not too concerned if we are refusing to be held to ransom.
 
And it will bring us a very similar start and finish to last season though I don't think it will involve the playoffs, probably mid-table. Softly, softly catchee monkey as the saying goes.

Think that is a very naive outlook on this. Last season we were always hoping/expecting to be in and around the playoffs and the slow start was fortuitous in that we could still play catchup with a large part of League One being worse than us. I fear a slow start in the championship will be nowhere near as forgiving and we could be playing catchup as teams move away from us which isn't ideal at all.
 
Why did Gabriel start just 18 league games for us??? He had a proper defender vying for his position and couldn’t budge him very often. The Championship is a harsh league and while I have no issue signing him, I don’t think he’s ready to be a first choice right back in this league.
We really need 2 fullbacks and an experienced playmaker type midfielder too.
As for Harry Wilson he’s undoubtedly overpriced but that’s parachute payments for you. He’s absolutely worth around £5-6 m
Ok so we need a right full back, well let’s get Gabriel then, he knows the manager, he knows the systems, he knows the players.

If you are valuing Harry Wilson at 5-6m, that shows the market inflation.

Completely agree on a creative midfielder. There’s a month left of the window, I’m sure we’ll be active.
 
Ok so we need a right full back, well let’s get Gabriel then, he knows the manager, he knows the systems, he knows the players.

If you are valuing Harry Wilson at 5-6m, that shows the market inflation.

Completely agree on a creative midfielder. There’s a month left of the window, I’m sure we’ll be active.
Harry Wilson has had too very good loan spells and is a Wales regular. He has to be easily worth that....pity we couldn’t afford him!!!!!!!!
If only we had the clout to get Connor Hourihane or someone like him.
 
I respect the Club's decision on Clark, but something clearly isn't going to plan on the RB position. Unless something happens this week, we are going into the season extremely exposed in that area. Bristol are highly likely to target whoever occupies that position and I fear a wasted 3 points as a result. Moreover, if selling teams know we have a problem in that area particularly once the season has started, they will up the selling prices accordingly. Not a great position to be in at all.
 
I respect the Club's decision on Clark, but something clearly isn't going to plan on the RB position. Unless something happens this week, we are going into the season extremely exposed in that area. Bristol are highly likely to target whoever occupies that position and I fear a wasted 3 points as a result. Moreover, if selling teams know we have a problem in that area particularly once the season has started, they will up the selling prices accordingly. Not a great position to be in at all.
We were more vulnerable down our left on Saturday.
 
Yeah the issue isn’t Connolly being rubbish in defence, it’s the fact he’s not so good going forwards so we lose the threat of the overlap/underlap. If we could get someone who can defend and do well going forwards I’m happy to have Connolly become a floater in terms of playing numerous positions over the course of the season. I’m sure if we’re 1 goal up with 15 to play Connolly would be fine at right back to help shore things up.
 
I wonder if it means the Club will take the leap in the offer for Gabriel. Gabriel as wing back, Conolly in fullback or as a righ CB.
 
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