5 substitutions

JJpool

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So I believe the Premier league has gone for this.

Will the championship follow suit, surely they will?

If so this could benefit us with the way we have 2 teams almost and subs we can never seem to get on.

We often had attacking talent missing out.

How good would it be to swap a couple of midfielders and then for eg swap Madine, Yates and CJ for Beesley, Lavery and Dale.

Also our mandatory injury per game it seemed, also limited the changes we could make, this would massively help.

Edit - now in place.

 
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Totally agree. Subs always slow games down and often takes the excitement out of a game - might as well only play for 60 mins and have no subs unless there's an injury.
The five subs are only allowed to come on during the three normal changes so it’s not going to make all that much difference.
 
Hopefully not.

5 subs in one game is too much like a freindly.
3 is ideal

Totally agree. Subs always slow games down and often takes the excitement out of a game - might as well only play for 60 mins and have no subs unless there's an injury.

5 subs benefits those with better squads and allows them to keep money players happy.

It would work against us.
Totally disagree and I bet Critch would too.

We have one of the best squads, what I mean by that is we had 2 players for each role where no matter who is picked there isn't much between them, other sides suffered more when their main players were out because they often have a best 11 plus a few.

How many times have we not been able to make that sub because of injuries, Madine playing all game when meant to come off and running on empty not able to get Lavery on for eg.

It would massively benefit us.

When we can switch our whole attack and have them running at tired legs...

So many times we've looked at the team and said, that's a strong bench, but we can never use them all.

Defender goes off as a precaution, we only have 2 left, midfield on empty so make a change and then one left for up top, can only swap madine for Yates for eg.

We could have Dale, bowler or replacement on bench and unable to us them.

Under the 5 rule we could swap the defender, swap a midfielder and a winger.

Swap a striker and another winger.

Its a huge win for us and our style given our pressing game and the energy required.

Critch will want this.
 
Totally disagree and I bet Critch would too.

We have one of the best squads, what I mean by that is we had 2 players for each role where no matter who is picked there isn't much between them, other sides suffered more when their main players were out because they often have a best 11 plus a few.

How many times have we not been able to make that sub because of injuries, Madine playing all game when meant to come off and running on empty not able to get Lavery on for eg.

It would massively benefit us.

When we can switch our whole attack and have them running at tired legs...

So many times we've looked at the team and said, that's a strong bench, but we can never use them all.

Defender goes off as a precaution, we only have 2 left, midfield on empty so make a change and then one left for up top, can only swap madine for Yates for eg.

We could have Dale, bowler or replacement on bench and unable to us them.

Under the 5 rule we could swap the defender, swap a midfielder and a winger.

Swap a striker and another winger.

Its a huge win for us and our style given our pressing game and the energy required.

Critch will want this.
All good and well, but at the upper end the squad quality is better giving them an advantage.
 
For me Critch struggled adjusting from 5 to 3 subs. He adopted a more positive approach with 5. I felt with 3 he was more cautious in his starting set up.

5 is a lot more forgiving when a manager needs to change the starting team / set up. With the talent we have in the squad, 5 would benefit us.
 
All good and well, but at the upper end the squad quality is better giving them an advantage.
I think generally this benefits us and our style of play because of the energy required, were often left running on empty hence late goals against.

This can address that.

I think back to games like Bristol City, the ability to bring lavery and bowler on late changes the game.

We could do that type of move most games wven when things have gone agsint us with an injury or other changes.
 
For me Critch struggled adjusting from 5 to 3 subs. He adopted a more positive approach with 5. I felt with 3 he was more cautious in his starting set up.

5 is a lot more forgiving when a manager needs to change the starting team / set up. With the talent we have in the squad, 5 would benefit us.
Yep definitely benefits us.
 
I think generally this benefits us and our style of play because of the energy required, were often left running on empty hence late goals against.

This can address that.

I think back to games like Bristol City, the ability to bring lavery and bowler on late changes the game.

We could do that type of move most games wven when things have gone agsint us with an injury or other changes.
It probably does benefit us in that way, but better squads will benefit too, to a greater extent.
 
It probably does benefit us in that way, but better squads will benefit too, to a greater extent.
Yeah, but if it definitely improves us then its a positive, I don’t think it improves all of the other sides, as said some beyond the 11 and a few more, when they have injuries are a level below the rest.
 
Totally disagree and I bet Critch would too.

We have one of the best squads, what I mean by that is we had 2 players for each role where no matter who is picked there isn't much between them, other sides suffered more when their main players were out because they often have a best 11 plus a few.

How many times have we not been able to make that sub because of injuries, Madine playing all game when meant to come off and running on empty not able to get Lavery on for eg.

It would massively benefit us.

When we can switch our whole attack and have them running at tired legs...

So many times we've looked at the team and said, that's a strong bench, but we can never use them all.

Defender goes off as a precaution, we only have 2 left, midfield on empty so make a change and then one left for up top, can only swap madine for Yates for eg.

We could have Dale, bowler or replacement on bench and unable to us them.

Under the 5 rule we could swap the defender, swap a midfielder and a winger.

Swap a striker and another winger.

Its a huge win for us and our style given our pressing game and the energy required.

Critch will want this.


I agree with what you say about our squad, but, I don’t think 5 subs is a good idea however.

IMO it would be a good thing in a game of championship manager, but I think real teams have a collective groove, heartbeat, call it what you will, and I think it’s one of the most important aspects of a winning side. using more subs, aside from if you have injuries, I think will usually just disrupt it. How often do teams in friendlies improve when a raft of subs come on? I’d say very rarely, even if the players coming on are “better”.

I think managers who are frustrated or don’t have a clear plan will use it, and more often than not, I don’t think they’ll get the outcome they want.

Just my opinion.
 
I agree with what you say about our squad, but, I don’t think 5 subs is a good idea however.

IMO it would be a good thing in a game of championship manager, but I think real teams have a collective groove, heartbeat, call it what you will, and I think it’s one of the most important aspects of a winning side. using more subs, aside from if you have injuries, I think will usually just disrupt it. How often do teams in friendlies improve when a raft of subs come on? I’d say very rarely, even if the players coming on are “better”.

I think managers who are frustrated or don’t have a clear plan will use it, and more often than not, I don’t think they’ll get the outcome they want.

Just my opinion.
But we always have injuries and are often limited to 2 or 1 sub, meaning attacking or other changes to put more energy in can't happen and we end up sat back.

We also run out of energy late on at times and subs could relieve that.
 
disagree with JJ in the fact that just because we supposedly have two players for every position doesn't mean we have a strong squad. Our league position of 16th tells you that. I'd also say that pretty much every team has a player who can come in for some-one else. All that said, I've no problem with five subs being allowed.
 
I don't mind the number of subs. I guess Critch has some preset plans to swap players ( conceding disasters that require change notwithstanding), but those plans have been wrecked several times this season by having to make first half injury changes.

But I've thought for a while that the subs shouldn't stop the game. Have an entry/exit point and use the fourth official to ensure that the change happens as legally required, and it's up to the manager to make the change whenever they deem it safe to do so. Shouldn't hold up play at all.
 
Ridiculous. Games turning into freindlies
Naaaa, how so?

No more stoppages than normal with the 3 times rule you just have to change more in those 3 windows or at half time.

Just means you can go full on attack more and change more options, we got caught out so many times with injuries and having to play gaz when he was due to come off and not being able to use our dangerous players on the bench etc.

This will be better.

More energy in the teams late on means more excitement, not all knackered players plodding to the finish.
 
Naaaa, how so?

No more stoppages than normal with the 3 times rule you just have to change more in those 3 windows or at half time.

Just means you can go full on attack more and change more options, we got caught out so many times with injuries and having to play gaz when he was due to come off and not being able to use our dangerous players on the bench etc.

This will be better.

More energy in the teams late on means more excitement, not all knackered players plodding to the finish.
Thats half a team potentially changed in a competitive game, thats like something you would see in a freindly against Bamber Bridge

Ruining the game, players shouldn’t be knackered when their paid to be Fit & play 90 mins
 
Thats half a team potentially changed in a competitive game, thats like something you would see in a freindly against Bamber Bridge

Ruining the game, players shouldn’t be knackered when their paid to be Fit & play 90 mins
What makes a friendly rubbish is people aren't match fit and even more than this changes.

This is an option, you don't have to use it all.

When players are pressing from the off its hard to keep that up for 90 mins.

This should benefit those with a squad game like we've had rather than mostly the same 11 plus a few.

Not ruining the game at all.

With more fresh legs I'm certain we wouldn't have conceded so many late goals.
 
What makes a friendly rubbish is people aren't match fit and even more than this changes.

This is an option, you don't have to use it all.

When players are pressing from the off its hard to keep that up for 90 mins.

This should benefit those with a squad game like we've had rather than mostly the same 11 plus a few.

Not ruining the game at all.

With more fresh legs I'm certain we wouldn't have conceded so many late goals.
Along with this ruling.

Colour Blindness kit clashes:

A Home Club will now be able to wear its ‘away’ or third kit where a clash may occur that would make it difficult for people who are colour blind to differentiate between the kits worn by both teams. The amendment also allows Clubs to further ‘mix and match’ elements of their registered kits in order to avoid kit clashes.

This may help the referees as their sight is in doubt. 😂
 
clubs like Preston will also be able to play in special home kits called clown outfits so their supporters can recognise their team
 
Along with this ruling.

Colour Blindness kit clashes:

A Home Club will now be able to wear its ‘away’ or third kit where a clash may occur that would make it difficult for people who are colour blind to differentiate between the kits worn by both teams. The amendment also allows Clubs to further ‘mix and match’ elements of their registered kits in order to avoid kit clashes.

This may help the referees as their sight is in doubt. 😂
Great news that. I’m colourblind and if one team is in green and the other red I just cannot differentiate between them!
 
So I believe the Premier league has gone for this.

Will the championship follow suit, surely they will?

If so this could benefit us with the way we have 2 teams almost and subs we can never seem to get on.

We often had attacking talent missing out.

How good would it be to swap a couple of midfielders and then for eg swap Madine, Yates and CJ for Beesley, Lavery and Dale.

Also our mandatory injury per game it seemed, also limited the changes we could make, this would massively help.

Edit - now in place.

Yes and in a couple of years I expect that teams will be able to bring on specialist set piece players - just for the set piece, you understand - and 7' tall forwards for corners.
They will be dressed in specialist colours that advertise whoever their main sponsor is. After each goal I believe that the scorer's sponsor will take a lap of honour. On each quarter hour the big screens - a mandatory 4, one at each corner - will advertise every sponsor for 10 minutes, during which each team's cheerleaders will dance their entry in the cheerleader league contest (with its own sponsor), and a vote will be taken on the best cheerleader team from buttons on each seat in the ground.
Taking club refreshments will be mandatory and no bags (which may contain flasks), will be allowed in the stadium. Photos of each supporter group (no singles will be allowed entry), will be on sale immediately after they are taken. Any group showing off their sponsored drink cartons or 'dog' napkins will receive a 10% discount on their photo. Mandatory framing will cost £10 extra.

Have a nice day.
 
Yes and in a couple of years I expect that teams will be able to bring on specialist set piece players - just for the set piece, you understand - and 7' tall forwards for corners.
They will be dressed in specialist colours that advertise whoever their main sponsor is. After each goal I believe that the scorer's sponsor will take a lap of honour. On each quarter hour the big screens - a mandatory 4, one at each corner - will advertise every sponsor for 10 minutes, during which each team's cheerleaders will dance their entry in the cheerleader league contest (with its own sponsor), and a vote will be taken on the best cheerleader team from buttons on each seat in the ground.
Taking club refreshments will be mandatory and no bags (which may contain flasks), will be allowed in the stadium. Photos of each supporter group (no singles will be allowed entry), will be on sale immediately after they are taken. Any group showing off their sponsored drink cartons or 'dog' napkins will receive a 10% discount on their photo. Mandatory framing will cost £10 extra.

Have a nice day.
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I quite like this because it'll just mean the first sub will probably be man for man, the second will probably be a double and then you have the third in case of injury. Might make managers change what is going on earlier in the game knowing they have so many subs left. Will make for better games IMHO.
 
I quite like this because it'll just mean the first sub will probably be man for man, the second will probably be a double and then you have the third in case of injury. Might make managers change what is going on earlier in the game knowing they have so many subs left. Will make for better games IMHO.
Yep, also there's not usually one first half unless it's forced.

Half time you can change and it obviously doesn't count towards to 3 stoppages as ita already stopped.

Should lead to less injuries which for us would be massive.

Not sure why pool fans aren't up for this as so many times we had a strong bench and could not use them.

Also helps keep more players happy when not selected as they can now get on.

Players should be fresher as the season goes on.

Based on us last season but imagine if we had Bowler Yates and Kirk starting.

We get an injury so swap a defender at half time.

2nd half Could swap Yates for Beesley and CJ for Kirk.

You can then swap Bowler for Dale to run at tired legs.

Plus another swap to freshen up midfield or maybe throw Lavery on.

Or if that injury first half was in play, you'd have to do those last 2 subs together.

Many more options now.
 
What makes a friendly rubbish is people aren't match fit and even more than this changes.

This is an option, you don't have to use it all.

When players are pressing from the off its hard to keep that up for 90 mins.

This should benefit those with a squad game like we've had rather than mostly the same 11 plus a few.

Not ruining the game at all.

With more fresh legs I'm certain we wouldn't have conceded so many late goals.

It will just make the team leading 1-0 turn the closing minutes into a time-wasting, bore fest.

The team that are winning will take even longer than the usual 30 secs added, to take for example, 2 or 3 players off in injury time, as one-by-one, they applaud the fans and limp off the pitch from the far side.

As mentioned above, no substitutions should be allowed after 90 mins or it will just be used to waste time.
 
It will make the team leading 1-0 turn the closing minutes into a time-wasting, bore fest.

The team that are winning will take a lot longer than the usual 30 secs added, to take for example, 2 or 3 players off in injury time.

As mentioned above, no substitutions should be allowed after 90 mins or it will just be used to waste time.
Teams already do that and will only have the same 3 windows to make changes.

Teams often have 1 left anyway so if they have 1 in stoppage time, it's no different, just 2 players leaving and not 1.

I think the benefits will outweigh and slight issues at times.
 
It would be interesting to see how many of our substitutions were forced on us by injury. Given the number of injuries we had (from memory I reckon we had a few games when we had 2 injury substitutions) I bet it works out at least 1 a game if not more. In which case in effect we only have 2 tactical substitutions per game. I know there will be old timers who say the game went perfectly well pre substitutions but the game has moved on and the speed of the game seems to result in more soft tissue injuries.
 
If it's about time wasting substitutions just have a timekeeper & stop the clock, referees should already make allowances for this behaviour, but we all know it can vary significantly.
Let's see how it pans out first & don't forget it'll be the same for all teams too.
 
If it's about time wasting substitutions just have a timekeeper & stop the clock, referees should already make allowances for this behaviour, but we all know it can vary significantly.
Let's see how it pans out first & don't forget it'll be the same for all teams too.
Yep they time the stoppages anyway, but there will only be 3 sub windows allowed, just there might be 2 players going on/off in those windows. We're talking seconds and the refs add it on anyway.
 
Yes and in a couple of years I expect that teams will be able to bring on specialist set piece players - just for the set piece, you understand - and 7' tall forwards for corners.
They will be dressed in specialist colours that advertise whoever their main sponsor is. After each goal I believe that the scorer's sponsor will take a lap of honour. On each quarter hour the big screens - a mandatory 4, one at each corner - will advertise every sponsor for 10 minutes, during which each team's cheerleaders will dance their entry in the cheerleader league contest (with its own sponsor), and a vote will be taken on the best cheerleader team from buttons on each seat in the ground.
Taking club refreshments will be mandatory and no bags (which may contain flasks), will be allowed in the stadium. Photos of each supporter group (no singles will be allowed entry), will be on sale immediately after they are taken. Any group showing off their sponsored drink cartons or 'dog' napkins will receive a 10% discount on their photo. Mandatory framing will cost £10 extra.

Have a nice day.
No good for us as we can not find one specialist set piece player.
 
It's a load of bollox.
It will just be another time wasting exercise by the team leading 1-0.

Just watch the number of substitutions suddenly appear by the winning team in the 92nd minute.

Nothing to do with formations, just another tiresome excuse to wind down the clock, as the player(s) slowly trudge off the pitch with a pretend injury.

Whatever happened to the rule that the substituted player must leave at the side of the pitch he is nearest to?
Never happened did it.
It's farcical.

No substitutions should be allowed in injury time, regardless of how many minutes are added.

It wasnt that long ago only 1 substitute was allowed FFS.
 
It's a load of bollox.
It will just be another time wasting exercise by the team leading 1-0.

Just watch the number of substitutions suddenly appear by the winning team in the 92nd minute.

Nothing to do with formations, just another tiresome excuse to wind down the clock, as the player(s) slowly trudge off the pitch with a pretend injury.

Whatever happened to the rule that the substituted player must leave at the side of the pitch he is nearest to?
Never happened did it.
It's farcical.

No substitutions should be allowed in injury time, regardless of how many minutes are added.

It wasnt that long ago only 1 substitute was allowed FFS.
I don’t recall it being an issue when we did it in the covid season.

Think you're overreacting to this.

The clubs voted for it so the people in the game can see the benefits.
 
Yep they time the stoppages anyway, but there will only be 3 sub windows allowed, just there might be 2 players going on/off in those windows. We're talking seconds and the refs add it on anyway.

The remaining substitutions will just be thrown on, to waste a few more seconds and break down the impetus of late pressure from the losing team.

No substitutions should be allowed in injury time because its clearly just another cheating, time wasting exercise.

After all, you very rarely see substitutions being made by the losing side in injury time.
Strange that isnt it?.🤔
 
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But they barely add much of the time on, do they, especially when 2 players trude off slowly together.

And the remaining substitutions are just thrown on, to waste a few more seconds and break down the impetus of late pressure from the losing team.

No substitutions should be allowed in injury time because its clearly just another cheating, time wasting exercise.

After all, you very rarely see substitutions being made by the losing side in injury time, to change the formation.
Strange that isnt it?.🤔
If the refs add the time on correctly its no different to what they do now.

All what you claim will happen happens anyway.

Subs have always been used late on to waste time.

If sides are only saving all 3 occasions until the end of the game they are screwing their players. It's likely they'll have 1 left so maybe 1 extra guy coming off after or at the same time as the other.

Stick to ticket sales? Getting a bit irate over this aren't you?

I didn’t make the rule the clubs agreed it, just i cam see the benefits.

Also as I said did you moan or notice it during the covid season, I can't remember seeing ridiculous time wasting...
 
If the refs add the time on correctly its no different to what they do now.

All what you claim will happen happens anyway.

Subs have always been used late on to waste time.

If sides are only saving all 3 occasions until the end of the game they are screwing their players. It's likely they'll have 1 left so maybe 1 extra guy coming off after or at the same time as the other.

Stick to ticket sales? Getting a bit irate over this aren't you?

I didn’t make the rule the clubs agreed it, just i cam see the benefits.

Also as I said did you moan or notice it during the covid season, I can't remember seeing ridiculous time wasting...

Like most , I was unable to watch many games during the covid season, but Im sure the same would have applied.

But I guarantee these extra substitutions will be used as another excuse to waste a few extra seconds in injury time by the winning team, just like footballers are wasting time by taking the ball to the corner flag, or more recently goalkeepers taking an easy catch, and then falling to the ground to waste a few more seconds.
Oh and the latest time wasting tactic is a winning teams player suddenly feeling cramp and stopping play, in the dying embers of the game.

Bizarre how the losing teams hardly ever make substitutions in injury time, or suddenly feel cramp isn't it?
It's nearly always the winning side.

Maybe it's time to introduce a stopwatch system.
 
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Like most , I was unable to watch many games during the covid season, but Im sure the same would have applied.

But I guarantee these extra substitutions will be used as another excuse to waste a few extra seconds in injury time by the winning team, just like footballers are wasting time by taking the ball to the corner flag, or more recently goalkeepers taking an easy catch, and then falling to the ground to waste a few more seconds.
Oh and the latest time wasting tactic is a winning teams player suddenly feeling cramp and stopping play, in the dying embers of the game.

Bizarre how the losing teams hardly ever make substitutions in injury time, or suddenly feel cramp isn't it?
It's nearly always the winning side.

Maybe it's time to introduce a stopwatch system.
I wasn't one of the season ticket holders but I bought the games. Watched them all, as most people did i thought...

I don't recall any real issues or anyone moaning in the matchday threads etc.

Your guaranteeing something will happen based on a feeling yet the actual evidence from a year or so ago tells us best, it wasn't an issue.

That's the best way to judge, based of what we saw when the rule was in place.

Again, if its such an issue why wasn't a big fuss made by anyone when it was happening.......

That tells us it's no issue.
 
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