L’étranger
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I see the government’s orchestrated attack on ‘lefty lawyers’ is starting to bear fruit; first report of a knife attack by a rwnj. Patel, Johnson and their cohorts increasingly resemble a low grade Trump tribute act.
‘Lefty’ lawyers
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Lost Seasider
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Link?
deary
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Fair point but so called ' Lefty human rights lawyers' defending 'non worthy people or causes' have likely cost the public purse 100s of millions.
Its been a bit of a cash cow/gravy train tbf.
We are in a covid induced economic crisis so certainly balance needs to be struck. Obviously the gov should not inflame the situation but the greed of lawyers even so called 'lefty ones' often holds no bounds.
Unfortunately Knife attacks by RWNJs are nothing new. So called 'Lefty Lawyer's will even defend the perps if they fit a certain criteria. This criteria seems to mainly be decided by skin colour.
Its been a bit of a cash cow/gravy train tbf.
We are in a covid induced economic crisis so certainly balance needs to be struck. Obviously the gov should not inflame the situation but the greed of lawyers even so called 'lefty ones' often holds no bounds.
Unfortunately Knife attacks by RWNJs are nothing new. So called 'Lefty Lawyer's will even defend the perps if they fit a certain criteria. This criteria seems to mainly be decided by skin colour.
Mexboroseasider
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Deary you’re talking arse. Legal Aid/Lefty Lawyers are paid peanuts. Out of which they have to pay their employees and all the costs of their business.
However a link to the apparent attack would be helpful.
deary
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Mex im not really talking legal aid per se. More higher profile 'human rights' lawyers who exploit the system to feather their own nest.
Millions of pounds wasted on higher profile frivolous cases costing the public purse.
Legal aid is certainly in principle a very good thing but im sure it has been used not with the best of intent by all in the legal profession at times. .Because of this unfortunately more deserving cases have missed out.
Sorry but i doubt you will get a lot of sympathy for lawyers & the legal profession.
It certainly imho compared to most industries has more that its fair share of sharks & bottom feeders.
Mexboroseasider
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I wasn’t particularly looking for sympathy. I was just stating a fact - lawyers do not get rich off legal aid/the public purse. The claim that they do is just another RW fantasy created and then exploited by unscrupulous politicians like Priti Patel looking to boost their credentials in any future leadership contest.
Does it matter? Well it strikes me as very similar to the RW fantasies pushed by Farage that prompted a RWNJ to stab, shoot and murder young mum Jo Cox. And if the report mentioned in the op is true then it’s a case of history potentially repeating itself.
So yes it does matter.
ElBurroSinNombre
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Priti Patel speech 'inspired knife attack at law firm that injured person'
Britain's top lawyers have claimed remarks by the home secretary about motivated an attack on an immigration solicitor four days later by a man armed with a large knife
www.mirror.co.uk
Mex is right, my friend who is a barrister is thinking of quitting because it is very difficult to make a decent living these days. He prosecutes for the CPS and defends privately, If you want to find out what legal aid rates are for barristers and lawyers read 'The Secret Barrister'. It is certainly not a gravy train any more and hardly worth their while a lot of the time. From what I understand, morale is at an all time low in the legal profession after a decade of austerity cuts and many are leaving the profession.
An article about the attack is above.
Shandypants
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Lawyers who exploit the system? Despite what The Mail says there is another way of looking at this. In a functioning and fair society, every single person (despite the gravity of the accusation) deserves a fair trial and representation. Should we lock people up or deport people on a whim?
Legal aid plays an important role in maintaining this system. Read "The Secret Barrister" an interesting but ultimately shocking script on how cuts and the "lets get tough" brigade have rendered our judicial system to a shambles.
deary
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I agree that there has been a narrative put forward by the right & sections of the media about costs and exploitation of the system.
This has been no doubt exaggerated & distorted for headlines.
However that does not mean there is not some truth to it.
Right & Left wing types both distort to fit their predisposed agenda.
Both lack freedom of thought and balance
As with anything the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
This has been no doubt exaggerated & distorted for headlines.
However that does not mean there is not some truth to it.
Right & Left wing types both distort to fit their predisposed agenda.
Both lack freedom of thought and balance
As with anything the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
1966_and_all_that
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I know that Shandy has already made the point eloquently but it is important to stress the right to representation. In a civilised society, the rule of law and the right to representation are crucial and non-negotiable. Whatever subjective point you are making Deary - and it may be a reasonable one - it can't be be based on any qualification of that right.
deary
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Yes i agree 66 representation is paramount in a civil society. I am not talking about criminal cases here.
I am speaking of frivolous and in some instances downright ludicrous cases that should never be entertained & are a waste of both time & money.
Some people in the legal profession are happy to take undeserving civil cases.
Human rights, employment law & compensation claims unfortunately get their share of this kind of action. Firms & legal folk with questionable morals are undoubtedly complicit in perpetuating the bullshit.
Obviously it is not painting the whole picture to just point the finger at 'lefty lawyers'.
Cherie Blair for instance is a high profile human rights lawyer who has received criticism from all sides of the media.
Lawyers lacking in morals?
I guess nobody should be shocked!!
As professional people they really should be held to a better standard imho though.
Obviously there are good & bad apples.
Perhaps they should have to take a hippocratic style oath like doctors?
There are probably too many of them nowadays anyway.
Does everything you dont agree with require legal representation?
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TwelveAngryMen
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Deary for the record civil and employment cases don't qualify for legal aid and haven't done for donkeys years
Even when they did you ' got buttons ' - we were paid significantly less for legal aid work ten years ago than when I started in the profession in 1989
In simple terms you can take a case on ' no win no fee ' and run the risk of not getting paid or your client funds you
Either way you aren't going to last long as a practice if you take on ' undeserving cases ' as you either wont get paid or face a negligence claim for advising a client to proceed with an unmeritorious case
Even when they did you ' got buttons ' - we were paid significantly less for legal aid work ten years ago than when I started in the profession in 1989
In simple terms you can take a case on ' no win no fee ' and run the risk of not getting paid or your client funds you
Either way you aren't going to last long as a practice if you take on ' undeserving cases ' as you either wont get paid or face a negligence claim for advising a client to proceed with an unmeritorious case
TwelveAngryMen
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I haven't had any experience myself of dealing with immigration / human rights cases
You do see some eyebrow raising cases in the Mail etc however they are not the norm
I also doubt you can get legal aid for a standalone human rights case
You do see some eyebrow raising cases in the Mail etc however they are not the norm
I also doubt you can get legal aid for a standalone human rights case