17 in 1 out?

Wizaard said:
Are you denying that deportations went down because the Tories reduced the staff looking at applications?

These things take time to turn around.

The NHS waiting lists are down and deportations are up, with asylum seekers in hotels down from 56,000 to 35,000, so plans are starting to bear fruit. It takes time.
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but still you overlook the key point that the cost has increased substantially.
 
The migrants on the French coast are living in tents in a SAFE but probably unwelcoming country. We put then up in hotels give mobile phones and living expenses. Are our government completely stupid. Is it not possible and cheaper to set up a processing centre in France and also say like the Aussies if you enter illegally you will NEVER be allowed to apply to stay.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Two separate things, matey

Outstanding applications for asylum are indeed down, as more staff have been taken on.

Appeals, those disagreeing with the outcome of their application, may well be up, I suppose if more decisions are being given, there is a logic to it.

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separate but linked. If the appeals backlog numbers have increased by 80% that naturally means it takes a lot longer to prepare and hear each appeal. So it's more than reasonable that it is taking longer to actually deport them. And that just increases the cost.

Cost at over 8 million a day to support them. Clearly you're happy with that cost.


Here to help.
 
Wizaard said:
The backlog is being cleared, as you know. A deliberate Tory ploy to confect a crisis which you right whingers have lapped up.
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How it going with smashing the gangs?

Sounds quite easy to me border forces and police to arrest the illegals on the beach, interrogate them, remove their mobiles and check their contact details

Follow the money, arrest the gang leaders and clamp down on the money laundering

If they have ID process them through the detaintment centres if no ID stick them on a boat and drop them back off in France

Easy
 
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Only high skilled or high wage migrants contribute more and we know what model were following and its not an Australian type one is it.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

The Fiscal Impact of Immigration in the UK - Migration Observatory

This briefing gives an overview of research on the impact of immigration on government finances in the UK and explains the main issues related to estimating the fiscal impact of immigration in the UK.
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Even then you have illegal immigration and this being based off the useless OBR old forecasts which often wrong and wrong in a way that means it'll cost us more.

Recent migration wave may cost country billions, warns CPS - The Centre for Policy Studies

NOTE: The Office for Budget Responsibility fiscal data contained within this report is the subject of dispute, meaning that the overall cost estimates should no longer be used. We will be publishing an updated estimate in due course. This does not impact on the visa data or projections for the...
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20togo said:
separate but linked. If the appeals backlog numbers have increased by 80% that naturally means it takes a lot longer to prepare and hear each appeal. So it's more than reasonable that it is taking longer to actually deport them. And that just increases the cost.

Cost at over 8 million a day to support them. Clearly you're happy with that cost.


Here to help.
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Just plucking numbers out of the air to illustrate a point

So you have 100 000 aplications.

You process 50 000 of them

5000 0f them appeal

You still have 45000 less decisions and people to put up.

And where have I said I am happy with the cost? It is a national disgrace, caused entirely by a Government who cut the number of staff making immigration decisions. As an aside, a lot of hotels and an Australian Travel company made a fortune. Clearly you are happy with that.
 
JJpool said:
The OBR estimated the cost to the public purse rose to almost £500,000 if they lived to 80, and more than £1m if they lived to 100.

By contrast, the average British-born worker boosts the public finances by £280,000 by the time they reach 66.

Lol.
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You're forgetting that the vast majority of migrants come here to work, pay their taxes then go back home. As such, living to 80 or 100 is completely irrelevant.

Plus everyone who lives to 100 will take out more than they pay in, as they will have been a pensioner longer than they worked. Its not relevant.
 
In todays age of technology why can’t drones be used to scupper these dinghies before they are even launched, can’t believe it’s because the French don’t want these illegal immigrants in France🤔
 
Wizaard said:
You're forgetting that the vast majority of migrants come here to work, pay their taxes then go back home. As such, living to 80 or 100 is completely irrelevant.

Plus everyone who lives to 100 will take out more than they pay in, as they will have been a pensioner longer than they worked. Its not relevant.
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Not what the data shows.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Just plucking numbers out of the air to illustrate a point

So you have 100 000 aplications.

You process 50 000 of them

5000 0f them appeal

You still have 45000 less decisions and people to put up.

And where have I said I am happy with the cost? It is a national disgrace, caused entirely by a Government who cut the number of staff making immigration decisions. As an aside, a lot of hotels and an Australian Travel company made a fortune. Clearly you are happy with that.
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yep, plucking out numbers but over emphasising them. 100,000 applications and you process 50,000 of them. This processing! Is that per day, per week, per month, per year. You didn't say! Meanwhile there's the cost. In your opinion do costs ever come down?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
BBC reporting probable 1 in 1 out deal, returning boat people in return for a genuine asylum seeker

  • The so-called "one in, one out" deal would see France would send an asylum seeker to the UK - possibly with a family connection to Britain - for every migrant sent back

Unlike the Express to get it's facts wrong lol


Trial to start soon with small number. Amazing what can actually happen when we talk to our neighbours instead of shouting at them. Presumably, as Reform are more bothered about boat people than all the real illegal immigrants, they will welcome this?
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Apologies if Im being thick here.
Ball park random number -850.
850 a week arrive, we send 50 back, they send us 50 back to us who they believe may have a case to be here, family etc.

Equates to us being +850 on the week....
 
Wizaard said:
Where is the comparison for 100 year old pensioners from here?
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Doesn't matter what British pensioners cost, it's our country, you look after your own.

Clearly the longer you live the more that'll cost depending on what job you had to offset it.
 
Wizaard said:
You're forgetting that the vast majority of migrants come here to work, pay their taxes then go back home. As such, living to 80 or 100 is completely irrelevant.

Plus everyone who lives to 100 will take out more than they pay in, as they will have been a pensioner longer than they worked. Its not relevant.
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Do they fcuk come here to work
 
JJpool said:
Doesn't matter what British pensioners cost, it's our country, you look after your own.

Clearly the longer you live the more that'll cost depending on what job you had to offset it.
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I'm saying there are very few migrants who stay here past pension age. Economic migrants come to work then return.
 
Wizaard said:
You're forgetting that the vast majority of migrants come here to work, pay their taxes then go back home. As such, living to 80 or 100 is completely irrelevant.
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Do they all arrive with their fake degree certificates? Trust me, I'm a doctor.
 
20togo said:
Do they all arrive with their fake degree certificates? Trust me, I'm a doctor.
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Make your mind up. Thought they'd destroyed all documentation?

You do love a stereotype though. Just think, the whole of the NHS is reliant on fake qualifications.
 
Wizaard said:
Make your mind up. Thought they'd destroyed all documentation?

You do love a stereotype though. Just think, the whole of the NHS is reliant on fake qualifications.
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did i say that? Or is there a difference between illegal immigration and legal migration. Pretty sure, you've tried to point out the difference on more than the odd occasion.
 
20togo said:
did i say that? Or is there a difference between illegal immigration and legal migration. Pretty sure, you've tried to point out the difference on more than the odd occasion.
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Illegal immigrants all destroyed evidence, or so we were told. Now they're all fake doctors, when not wannabe suicide bombers. Make your mind up.
 
no9 said:
Why don’t the French send them back over their land borders. Aren’t they all in the EU?
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The French are essentially directing them our way. They might be inclined to do more if we blockaded all illegal passage across the Channel in the first place.
 
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Wizaard said:
Ah yes, they all come to claim benefits, despite there being a minimum 2 year wait to get them.
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Or work illegally thus paying no taxes which is a massive problem that you appear to ignore
 
Wizaard said:
There used to be 600,000 Polish builders here. They've all gone back.
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Have you got stats to back this up?

I'm currently working with a couple of Polish builders 😉

It's also worth noting the increase in Romanian Labour
 
Wizaard said:
Quite. If you're not making a decision, then there's nothing to appeal.
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but every single case requires a decision does it not. And if a case is rejected then there can be an appeal. Wouldn't surprise me if a vast majority of rejections were appealed. And like i said, there is an increase of 80% in appeals. All takes time, all costs money.
 
Wizaard said:
And how many is that? Of course, that also means they can't be in a position to claim any benefits, so something has to give.
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You have the stats don't you?

And it's more than possible to work illegally and claim benefits you know

You do live in your own little bubble sometimes
 
Phil_bfc neuf said:
You have the stats don't you?

And it's more than possible to work illegally and claim benefits you know

You do live in your own little bubble sometimes
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How? You've arrived illegally so how can you claim benefits?

You live in a make believe bubble.

As I said earlier, the vast majority of migrants claiming benefits are Irish.
 
Wizaard said:
And how many is that? Of course, that also means they can't be in a position to claim any benefits, so something has to give.
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Over the last year, Deliveroo, Uber Eats, and Just Eat have introduced voluntary 'right to work' checks on all account holders and registered substitutes. These measures have helped stop illegal workers abusing the platform, with action taken on thousands of accounts.

Do you believe all these illegal workers have NI numbers. So just how naive is your post?!
 
20togo said:
Over the last year, Deliveroo, Uber Eats, and Just Eat have introduced voluntary 'right to work' checks on all account holders and registered substitutes. These measures have helped stop illegal workers abusing the platform, with action taken on thousands of accounts.

Do you believe all these illegal workers have NI numbers. So just how naive is your post?!
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You have to have an NI number and a contributions record of at least 10 years to claim State Retirement Pension, which JJ was claiming was costing us a million quid per migrant. How naive are you to think they're getting that? You should know better.
 
Wizaard said:
You have to have an NI number and a contributions record of at least 10 years to claim State Retirement Pension, which JJ was claiming was costing us a million quid per migrant. How naive are you to think they're getting that? You should know better.
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I've never brought State Retirement pension into any of the points I've made. JJ makes his points, i make mine. So in effect you've deflected away from my points.
 
20togo said:
I've never brought State Retirement pension into any of the points I've made. JJ makes his points, i make mine. So in effect you've deflected away from my points.
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Even with means tested benefits, the access point is a NINO, as you well know.

How do you claim benefits when you're here illegally?
 
Yesterday, I was waiting for a tram at north station, just missed one but only had to wait 10 minutes. During that time I saw around 7/8 young Asian/black men walking to and from the Metropole. I doubt they were tourists, and pretty sure they were asylum seekers. All had iPhones or similar and I thought why? Why are they being put up in a hotel right by the beach, given food and cash to spend, makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
Wizaard said:
How? You've arrived illegally so how can you claim benefits?

You live in a make believe bubble.

As I said earlier, the vast majority of migrants claiming benefits are Irish.
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I've said working illegally are you saying illegals don't get a penny?

If so why bother
 
Wizaard said:
Even with means tested benefits, the access point is a NINO, as you well know.

How do you claim benefits when you're here illegally?
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missing my point. Claiming benefits and working illegally.
Sorry my post at #86 wasn't clear.
 
Wizaard said:
How? You've arrived illegally so how can you claim benefits?

You live in a make believe bubble.

As I said earlier, the vast majority of migrants claiming benefits are Irish.
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No they aren't

Prove it
 
Wizaard said:
How? You've arrived illegally so how can you claim benefits?

You live in a make believe bubble.

As I said earlier, the vast majority of migrants claiming benefits are Irish.
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easy to look up.

"No, the vast majority of migrants claiming benefits in the UK are not Irish. While Irish citizens have the right to claim benefits in the UK due to historical and legal ties, they represent a relatively small proportion of total benefit claimants. Data from the UK government indicates that most migrants claiming benefits are from other EU countries and non-EU countries. "
 
20togo said:
Over the last year, Deliveroo, Uber Eats, and Just Eat have introduced voluntary 'right to work' checks on all account holders and registered substitutes. These measures have helped stop illegal workers abusing the platform, with action taken on thousands of accounts.

Do you believe all these illegal workers have NI numbers. So just how naive is your post?!
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They must all be Irish
 
20togo said:
easy to look up.

"No, the vast majority of migrants claiming benefits in the UK are not Irish. While Irish citizens have the right to claim benefits in the UK due to historical and legal ties, they represent a relatively small proportion of total benefit claimants. Data from the UK government indicates that most migrants claiming benefits are from other EU countries and non-EU countries. "
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While you're looking up easy to find information, look up how many illegal migrants are claiming benefits while working.
 
Wizaard said:
While you're looking up easy to find information, look up how many illegal migrants are claiming benefits while working.
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Ah right deflect again. So not only were you wrong you were massively wrong. There's a helluva difference between "vast majority" and "relatively small proportion" wouldn't you say?

But i reckon that is a statistic no-one will have the answer to for obvious reasons. On the other hand what you tried to claim was easy to prove and you were massively wrong.
 
20togo said:
yep, plucking out numbers but over emphasising them. 100,000 applications and you process 50,000 of them. This processing! Is that per day, per week, per month, per year. You didn't say! Meanwhile there's the cost. In your opinion do costs ever come down?
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Obviously, if you are processing more than are applying. Do you know the figures? off out for a beer but will try to find figures later.

It's almost like some of you don't want this problem solved
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Obviously, if you are processing more than are applying. Do you know the figures? off out for a beer but will try to find figures later.

It's almost like some of you don't want this problem solved
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have a cool beer. Out myself a bit later. I'd suggest we all want the problem solved. It's just a case that not mentioning any names some think it's less of a problem that it actually is.
 
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