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Phil_bfc neuf
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How would you know if they are illegally working
Sounds Irish to me
17 in 1 out?
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Sounds Irish to me
Tangerinemoss
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Not sure where your figures are from. They are certainly suggesting a trial of 50, with the aim to increase to a 1 in, 1 out . Guess you have to start small to make it work
Tangerinemoss
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You do talk rubbish to get a reaction.
Of course most of them do, have employed many immigrants who have been granted permission to work, from 20 odd countries, the latest being the Ukraine.
Tangerinemoss
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You really are being amazing. Do you not think the professions check??
Tangerinemoss
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Have you ever employed anyone under current rules? I have, and believe me, the hoops people have to go to to prove right to work are labyrinthine.
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Phil_bfc neuf
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Of course most of them don't
I've just been told that illegals can't work or clame benefits so why do they bother
I'm sure the rooms in the free hotels aren't all that
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Phil_bfc neuf
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Nonsense anybody can work illegally if they really want to
20togo
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Oh i believe so although i wasn't talking about a right to work i was talking about the qualifications to do the job they are applying for. As i said, i'm glad the rules have been tightened because there clearly was a problem and google will tell you that and about fake degrees for overseas students and the websites that have been closed down where they were being offered. Please don't be naive to the amount of illegal activity that goes on though.
Mcewans Mullet
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I just used the 850 as a ball park figure. It could have easily been 600 or 1000. Point I was trying to make / understand is despite this 1 for 1 the numbers, as I see it will still increase by the numbers arriving , by small boat, every week.
Mcewans Mullet
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I worked on the Morecambe Bay gas field right from the off.
I came from the North Sea where I'd worked for BP and had the vital offshore safety certificate (the one where Blue Peter had one of them in a helicopter going upside down in a swimming pool).
I went to work for a Norweigen company and other than the skipper / engineers everyone else was a scouser . Hundreds of them.
When the safety certificates were up for renewal - was a 3yr renewal if I remember rightly, someone finally twigged that 1 genuine safety certicate had been tippexed and every scouser had typed their own nane in and given a photocopy as proof.
voyeur
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Here's some recent research from Oxford University's Migration Observatory.
migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk
In December 2024 19% of UK employees were migrants. (12% in 2014) London had the highest proportion of employee jobs held by non-UK employees (42%), while Wales had the lowest (10%). This doesn't include the self employed.
The employment rate of working-age migrant men was higher than that of UK-born men (83% and 78%, respectively)
Immigration from non EU country has been rising sharply since 2021, this government inherited a situation that was out of control and hasn't got it under control.
In March 2025, 15% of individuals in receipt of a Universal Credit payment were neither UK nor Irish nationals, similar to their share in the wider population. 16% of the working-age population was born outside of the UK/Ireland and moved to the UK after the age of 16.
Migrants are overrepresented in the administrative services, hospitality, and health and care sectors.
Many highly educated migrant workers are overqualified for their jobs.
Non-UK workers were slightly more likely than UK-born workers to be in high-skill occupation.
Foreign-born workers were more likely to work during night shifts and in non-permanent jobs than the UK born.
Figure 9 shows the ten occupations that were most reliant on workers born in EU and non-EU countries. Care workers and health professional jobs, such as doctors and nurses, had the highest share of non-EU-born workers in 2024. By contrast, factory and machine operators—which includes jobs such as machine operators in food factories and assemblers—had the largest share of EU-born workers.
The people this briefing examines will have migrated to the UK over the course of several decades under a number of different policy regimes.
In the year ending March 2025, the Department for Work and Pensions made £65.4 billion in Universal Credit payments, of which 10% (or £6.25bn) was paid to households with at least one EEA-national claimant and 8% (or £5.31bn) to households with at least one non-EEA-national claimant. These figures cannot be combined, as some households comprise both EEA and non-EEA claimants. They also include payments to UK and Irish claimants living in the same household as an EEA or non-EEA claimant.
Migrants in the UK labour market: an overview - Migration Observatory
This briefing looks at the jobs migrant workers do, their role in the UK labour market and their labour market integration.
migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk
In December 2024 19% of UK employees were migrants. (12% in 2014) London had the highest proportion of employee jobs held by non-UK employees (42%), while Wales had the lowest (10%). This doesn't include the self employed.
The employment rate of working-age migrant men was higher than that of UK-born men (83% and 78%, respectively)
Immigration from non EU country has been rising sharply since 2021, this government inherited a situation that was out of control and hasn't got it under control.
In March 2025, 15% of individuals in receipt of a Universal Credit payment were neither UK nor Irish nationals, similar to their share in the wider population. 16% of the working-age population was born outside of the UK/Ireland and moved to the UK after the age of 16.
Migrants are overrepresented in the administrative services, hospitality, and health and care sectors.
Many highly educated migrant workers are overqualified for their jobs.
Non-UK workers were slightly more likely than UK-born workers to be in high-skill occupation.
Foreign-born workers were more likely to work during night shifts and in non-permanent jobs than the UK born.
Figure 9 shows the ten occupations that were most reliant on workers born in EU and non-EU countries. Care workers and health professional jobs, such as doctors and nurses, had the highest share of non-EU-born workers in 2024. By contrast, factory and machine operators—which includes jobs such as machine operators in food factories and assemblers—had the largest share of EU-born workers.
The people this briefing examines will have migrated to the UK over the course of several decades under a number of different policy regimes.
In the year ending March 2025, the Department for Work and Pensions made £65.4 billion in Universal Credit payments, of which 10% (or £6.25bn) was paid to households with at least one EEA-national claimant and 8% (or £5.31bn) to households with at least one non-EEA-national claimant. These figures cannot be combined, as some households comprise both EEA and non-EEA claimants. They also include payments to UK and Irish claimants living in the same household as an EEA or non-EEA claimant.
Killingmesoftly
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Straight of the boat into a free hotel….is that not classed as benefit?
, plus there fed and given money? Again is that not classed as benefits ? Or is it humanitarian aid ?
Tangerinenick
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How about the French stop them at their borders?
Current French army is 200,000 strong. Poles are doing a good job with a similar size force.
Europe needs to put in place the means to stop them. Clearly they don’t. The question should be why they don’t.
Wizaard
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Its not a benefit.
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contraryalf
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Google will tell me that the Royal Family are shape-shifting lizards, if I look in the right place. It doesn't make it true.
20togo
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Do you realise google is just a search engine in order to look websites to gain information from? Maybe not or maybe you just like to be contrary a**. Google doesn't tell me that, that's just me thinking for myself.
You must be on a wind up
Tangerinenick
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Clearly it is …too the cost of millions a day . Put them on a ship back that should be the only bunk they get for free.
Immigration has definitely changed since Brexit.You blame Brexit I say your chatting shite, nearly every country in Europe has an illegal immigration problem some handle it better than others.
In St Annes i have never seen as many black and brown people as i have since Brexit.
They appear and sound to be African or Indian, i speak to a few that i pass each day as we respectively travel to and from work, friendly folk on the whole.
I'm guessing it might be like this in other parts of the Fylde, these people are legal and work, are people confusing them as illegal or asylum seekers based on colour?
Used to be a lot of Poles, Portuguese, Italian and Spanish around town, not so much now, those people were here pre Brexit and usually didn't stand out from the crowd.
The numbers of legal immigrants is probably fairly static but on the Fylde coast the new arrivals stand out a bit more.
poolseasider
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It is because Poles and southern Europeans used to come and work in the care homes here, they can't now so the homes employ people from Africa and India.
It doesn't bother me because im just not bothered but culturally the African and Indians aren't as similar to most British people as the pre Brexit economic immigrants.
If you voted for Brexit you ended up with a more culturally diverse country, you won, dry your eyes and get on with it.
poolseasider
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I don't know how long the people of Asian appearance that you saw have been in the towns you visited in Europe, they might have been there for decades.
So hard to pass comment on the situation there, but at least we can agree the change in demographic in the UK is down to Brexit
poolseasider
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What the fuck is it down to then, just a coincidence?Is it fuck.
poolseasider
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Did you not read what I've just wrote or is all a Brexit agenda?
The WHOLE of Europe has suffered with mass migration not just us or is your head buried in the sand.
Germany has literally over 100k illegals, Italy, Spain etc tens of thousands and all had mass population growth and neither of them voted to leave any Union.
JJpool
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That's where the brexit blame completely breaks down, it's hilarious.
It can’t be brexit if its happening to EU countries too.
Do you not read what I've written, how do you know if a none white person is legal or illegal how do you know how long they have been in the country.
There is a massive problem with people moving into Europe without the required paperwork this we know. It's a massive issue caused by war, climate change, economic inequality, desperation and misinformation. Europe should have come together to figure out a solution but they haven't and won't.
But the changing face of Britain is definitely down to Brexit, i see it with my own eyes daily, the people who used to come here don't anymore the people who come here to work are now from Africa and India. That wouldn't have been the case if we stayed in the EU and maybe would have stopped some people being obsessed with immigration.
Tangerinemoss
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Source " House of Commons Library:
Spin it how you will.
Asylum is protection given by a country to someone fleeing from persecution in their own country. An asylum seeker is someone who has applied for asylum and is awaiting a decision on whether they will be granted refugee status.
An asylum applicant who does not qualify for refugee status may still be granted leave to remain in the UK for humanitarian or other reasons. An asylum seeker whose application is refused at initial decision may appeal the decision through an appeal process and, if successful, may be granted leave to remain.
Small boats
Spin it how you will.
Asylum is protection given by a country to someone fleeing from persecution in their own country. An asylum seeker is someone who has applied for asylum and is awaiting a decision on whether they will be granted refugee status.
An asylum applicant who does not qualify for refugee status may still be granted leave to remain in the UK for humanitarian or other reasons. An asylum seeker whose application is refused at initial decision may appeal the decision through an appeal process and, if successful, may be granted leave to remain.
Asylum applications
- In 2024, 84,200 applications for asylum were made in the UK, which related to 108,100 individuals (more than one applicant can be included in a single application). This was the highest annual number of applications and applicants ever recorded.
- The number of asylum applications has been high by historical standards in each of the past three years.
- The last time asylum applications were this high before that was in 2002, when 84,100 applications were made. After that the number fell sharply to reach a twenty-year low point of 17,900 in 2010. Between 2011 and 2020, it was relatively consistent at an average of 27,500 applications per year.
Proportion of all migrants who are asylum seekers and refugees
- In 2024, asylum seekers and refugees made up around 16% of immigrants to the UK. If including the British National (Overseas) scheme in the category of humanitarian routes, up to 19% of immigration in that year would fall into that category.
Decisions and refusals
- Not all asylum applications are successful. In 2024, 53% were refused at initial decision (not counting withdrawals). The annual refusal rate was highest in 2004 (88%) and lowest in recent times in 2022 (24%).
- When an application is refused at initial decision, it may be appealed. By June 2024, around a third of applications lodged in 2023 had a known outcome and, of these, around a third had been refused.
Asylum caseload
- As of June 2024, the total ‘work in progress’ asylum caseload consisted of 224,700 cases. Of these, around 88,000 cases were awaiting an initial decision and 138,000 cases had received an initial refusal and were awaiting some kind of further action.
- The total asylum caseload has quadrupled in size since 2014, driven both by applicants waiting longer for an initial decision and a growth in the number of people subject to removal action following a negative decision.
Small boats
- The number of asylum seekers arriving in small boats across the Channel has increased in recent years, from being a route which was almost never used prior to 2018. Between then and December 2024, around 157,000 people arrived in small boats, 95% of whom applied for asylum.
- These individuals accounted for nearly one third (29%) of the total number of people who applied for asylum in the UK between 2018 and 2024.
Nationality of asylum seekers and refugees
- In 2024, the most common origin region of asylum seekers was Asia and the most common single nationality was Pakistani, followed by Afghan. In previous recent years, the Middle East was the most common origin region, with Syrian and Iranian the most common nationalities.
Resettlement
In addition to the asylum process, the UK operates various routes for people seeking humanitarian protection to be granted status outside of the UK and then, in some cases, assisted in travelling to the UK.- Between 2014 and March 2025, around 34,200 Afghans had been resettled to the UK through resettlement schemes. A further 30,700 people were resettled through other schemes – around 20,000 of these were Syrians resettled between 2014 and 2020.
- In 2022, two new routes were introduced for Ukrainians. As of March 2025, around 223,000 people had arrived under these routes. This flow was much larger in scale than any other single forced migration flow to the UK in recent history. The number of Ukrainian refugees who arrived in the UK in 2022 was equivalent to the number of people granted refuge in the UK from all origins, in total, between 2014 and 2021.
European context
- In 2024, there were around 16 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 22 asylum applications for every 10,000 people.
- The UK was therefore below the average among EU countries for asylum applications per head of population, ranking 14th among EU27 countries plus the UK on this measure.
BigHandsOliverKahn
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The wider picture is that Western Countries invaded and robbed the wealth of many countries around the world a couple of centuries ago and now a natural rebalancing is taking place.
Some people are stuck in the past and can't accept today's Britain no longer being the same place as it was in 1900, nevermind 2016.
The Government probably see immigration as necessary as the birthrates are falling fast so the economy will need more people to have a chance of surviving.
Some people are stuck in the past and can't accept today's Britain no longer being the same place as it was in 1900, nevermind 2016.
The Government probably see immigration as necessary as the birthrates are falling fast so the economy will need more people to have a chance of surviving.
You’re off your head.
Ridiculous thing to say.
Nobody who voted for Brexit asked for mass immigration.
The
Well what a pish wider picture that is then.
You’re basically saying replace the white indigenous population.
Unbelievable.
But that’s down to our own governments, Conservatives and Labour have failed to invest in our own people, it’s not a Brexit issue for me.
Maybe Brexit shows how useless our governments have been if we need African/Asian people to run our NHS.
Embarrassing really.
Re Europeans being stopped from working in the UK or travelling to the UK.
We could have kept it as it was but didn’t and that was dumb.
I don't want to be harsh but have you seen the state of a lot of our people, i wouldn't want them looking after my elderly relatives.
As for the freedom of movement that us and our European neighbours had it was always going to go with Brexit.
Farage wanted it to go and campaigned to that end although ultimately it was the Tory government and the EU who got us where we are now.
But Farage certainly won't be bringing back freedom of movement if he becomes PM even though removing it was a dumb move.
Absolute nonsense.
Europe has been overrun with migrants since 2016.
You’re great leaders in the EU have done nothing to stop the invasion.
Stop blaming Brexit and accept the EU are the ones that have wrecked Europe:
Own it.
voyeur
Well-known member
We need them because not enough of our own people are prepared to do those jobs for the money that's paid. The whole system is screwed. A lot of born and bred Brits refuse to do demanding work for £12 an hour. It doesn't pay the mortgage/rent/bills etc. So I guess we allow people from India to come and work for low pay to keep the key services operating. The NHS certainly relies on them.
1966_and_all_that
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The whole thing is insane.
I do a couple of days as a support worker and yes £12.70 an hour but when you take into account reduced sleep hours then tax works out approximately £9 an hour
Somo of the lads will do 60 hours a week and take home around £2,000 a month.
So yep not great money but it’s not rocket science work so most people could do the work.
Surely we are not that work-shy of a nation.
You talk the biggest crap on this forum, like your leader Starmer your painful.
Great deal today with Macron.
1966_and_all_that
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voyeur
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Not as a nation, but a significant minority seems to be. It doesn't pay enough to work those jobs I think. For some people. I've worked and volunteered for charities and dealt with a lot of people on benefits. They get stuck on them because their lives become stabilised. Going back to work makes life less stable. The money is tight, the work is hard, and if they lose the job they have all the fighting with the benefits people to get stable again. It's complicated isn't it? Benefits claimants get constant abuse, but the whole system just makes life so difficult and complicated. Housing is so ridiculously expensive and hard to get and easy to lose. Meanwhile 1% of the population owns most of the wealth. Somehow we seem to gave ended up blaming the poorest people for everything. When the system is rigged against them. While the wealth of the few spirals out of control.
They have answered it but you don't engage with answers that don't suit your narrative.
TangerineBayern
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2015 actually no9 when Angela Merkel opened the German borders allowing millions of immigrants to flood into the country. Some Germans welcomed this and were seen clapping and giving them gifts as they got off trains, but they’re bitterly regretting this now. The majority of the Brits voted to leave the EU in the referendum after seeing this and wanting control of our borders back, but it’s gone horribly wrong and getting out of control, where this ends is anyone’s guess.