5 years in prison

bill40 said:
He will serve his full tariff and be on life licence but that does seem on the lenient side, it can be appealled if unduly so.
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That would be correct if he recieved a life sentence which he didn’t . He wasn’t given given a determinate sentence .

He serves two thirds of the five .
 
Wait on the reporting is shocking, it seems it was involuntary manslaughtere therefor no life tariff. He'll serve two and a half years and the same on probation. Funny old game is the law.
 
AngelBFC said:
That would be correct if he recieved a life sentence which he didn’t . He wasn’t given given a determinate sentence .

He serves two thirds of the five .
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Yes you're right but I think a 2/3rds sentence only kicks in after six years. A matter of months either way :(
 
bill40 said:
Wait on the reporting is shocking, it seems it was involuntary manslaughtere therefor no life tariff. He'll serve two and a half years and the same on probation. Funny old game is the law.
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With a 9 year football banning order
 
bill40 said:
Nobody has ever recieved a prison sentence for hurty words, not once not ever.
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The maximum sentence for libel is two years, but slander is a civil offence so no prison sentence can be imposed. There have been a few prison sentences imposed forlibel, but generally they've been suspended. Usually the judgement is a fine.
 
Meliora said:
The maximum sentence for libel is two years, but slander is a civil offence so no prison sentence can be imposed. There have been a few prison sentences imposed forlibel, but generally they've been suspended. Usually the judgement is a fine.
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Sigh, for around the 55th on this site it was incitement to riot with intent. The law was intended for non white people after the 2011 riots but these things usually tend to expand.
 
Absolutely a disgrace you take a man’s life through a clear aggressive act of violence and get a maximum 5 yeast sentence (regardless of what has been said I believe he will be out well before that) and as such at 40 years of age he can continue his life. This is why the nation is a mess, sorry but at least 20 years if not a full life sentence and f**k the do-gooders who say he is sorry and it was a mistake give him another chance
, the victim and there family don’t get another chance 😡🤬
 
Albert Ross said:
I didn’t express an opinion on her plea or guilt. My point was she was jailed for 31 months for hurty words and no physical crime. Which you said had never happened, ever.
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It's not that hard to grasp; inciting violence isn't a physical crime but it's illegal.

If I called you a c*nt, for example, which some might deem 'hurty', that'd be fine, but if I tried to convince people on AVFTT to set your house on fire that'd be an issue.
 
thefutureistangerine said:
It's not that hard to grasp; inciting violence isn't a physical crime but it's illegal.

If I called you a c*nt, for example, which some might deem 'hurty', that'd be fine, but if I tried to convince people on AVFTT to set your house on fire that'd be an issue.
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To reiterate, I didn’t say what she did wasn’t a crime. I said she was imprisoned for something she said/ posted, not something she physically did. She encouraged others to do things but didn’t do anything herself. If I threatened you with physical violence that’s one thing, if I physically assaulted you and caused you injury, that’s something entirely different. My point is which is the more serious?
 
Albert Ross said:
To reiterate, I didn’t say what she did wasn’t a crime. I said she was imprisoned for something she said/ posted, not something she physically did. She encouraged others to do things but didn’t do anything herself. If I threatened you with physical violence that’s one thing, if I physically assaulted you and caused you injury, that’s something entirely different. My point is which is the more serious?
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You said someone had been imprisoned for 'hurty words', which I think is a little disingenuous.
 
Albert Ross said:
I didn’t express an opinion on her plea or guilt. My point was she was jailed for 31 months for hurty words and no physical crime. Which you said had never happened, ever.
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It hasn't. How many times she was jailed for inciting riots with intent, this isn't a matter of opinion it's a matter of law. Would you be complaining if it was a muslim subject to this law? I'll wait.
 
bill40 said:
It hasn't. How many times she was jailed for inciting riots with intent, this isn't a matter of opinion it's a matter of law. Would you be complaining if it was a muslim subject to this law? I'll wait.
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What’s a Muslim got to do with it? The law is the law and is supposed to apply to all. What is your point?
 
Albert Ross said:
What’s a Muslim got to do with it? The law is the law and is supposed to apply to all. What is your point?
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My point is that it applies to white people including Lucy Connolly. You don't seem to approve and use legally irrelevant phrases like 'hurty words'. Now imagine a riot in Bradford and people posting things like 'burn them all in the name of allah'? Hurty words or a serious criminal offence? As you said the law applies to all (when they bother to apply it).
 
I come in peace lads. I have posted on here previously shortly after the tragic death of Tony and I donated to the go fund me page along with other clarets fans.
Let’s have some perspective here guys. Many of us watched the video from that fateful evening. Five years for one punch against an aggressor isn’t a soft sentence. It was an awful thing to happen but something that could have been avoided.
There were no winners in this. Tony’s family lost a man forever, Jake Hepple’s family have had this hanging over their heads for a serious length of time and now are going to be without him for several years. TBH I didn’t expect him to get a sentence as long as this.
The other perpetrators are still due to be sentenced and will probably all receive custodial sentences, if indeed there is room in the jails for them. Let’s all reflect and look at the possible consequences from pointless football violence. It’s simply not worth it.
RIP Tony Johnson.
 
JimmyG said:
I come in peace lads. I have posted on here previously shortly after the tragic death of Tony and I donated to the go fund me page along with other clarets fans.
Let’s have some perspective here guys. Many of us watched the video from that fateful evening. Five years for one punch against an aggressor isn’t a soft sentence. It was an awful thing to happen but something that could have been avoided.
There were no winners in this. Tony’s family lost a man forever, Jake Hepple’s family have had this hanging over their heads for a serious length of time and now are going to be without him for several years. TBH I didn’t expect him to get a sentence as long as this.
The other perpetrators are still due to be sentenced and will probably all receive custodial sentences, if indeed there is room in the jails for them. Let’s all reflect and look at the possible consequences from pointless football violence. It’s simply not worth it.
RIP Tony Johnson.
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Who is Jake Hepple? The article names Jake Balmforth.

I've always found football violence baffling. You can bet that if the two of them had met in different circumstances like on a plane going to an England away match, or on a beach in Spain, they'd have probably got on well and ended up drinking and laughing together.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Who is Jake Hepple? The article names Jake Balmforth.

I've always found football violence baffling. You can bet that if the two of them had met in different circumstances like on a plane going to an England away match, or on a beach in Spain, they'd have probably got on well and ended up drinking and laughing together.
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Type Jake hepple in google and you have you’re answer
He was the guy behind the flying of the white lives matter banner in 2020
 
Personally I feel the sentence is a bit excessive. Neither man set out to take a life but alcohol fuelled stupidity on both parts led to this. Adults need to behave as such and not go looking for fights with strangers.
A tragedy with a life lost and a life in tatters. I feel for both families and really hope friends of those concerned on both sides of this reassess their behaviours as opposed to instead feel emboldened/agrieved by it.
 
Camberwell1 said:
Sober up, smell the coffee and thank your lucky stars it was only 5 years

Over moderate many would say

But hey he’s a Burnley fan !
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And wtf is that meant to mean?

You're telling me if one of your family ended up like that and a judge passed 5 years on the person that did it to your family member you'd just turn round and say , "hey, they're from (insert location here)"
 
Aren't you encouraged to plead guilty before court?

In the belief it will get taken into account and any sentence(if any) you'll be able to serve a reduction.

Then your made a scapegoat with a ridiculous 31 months,wished you'd gone to court and then appeal?
 
BFC4EVA said:
Type Jake hepple in google and you have you’re answer
He was the guy behind the flying of the white lives matter banner in 2020
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Sorry I got his name wrong. Yes the Jake I referred to was one of the group who hired the plane with the banner. I still stand by what I said though. The sad death of Tony was avoidable and nobody has won here.
 
thefutureistangerine said:
The distinction I was making is I feel there's a difference between hurtful words and inciting violence; I've already made that point so I'm not sure why you're asking me the above.
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Inciting violence is never the answer. The point I was making and I think the people who have liked my post agree with is there is absolutely no comparison between causing the death of someone and posting something inappropriate, even though it’s illegal.
 
Albert Ross said:
Inciting violence is never the answer. The point I was making and I think the people who have liked my post agree with is there is absolutely no comparison between causing the death of someone and posting something inappropriate, even though it’s illegal.
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Again, the only point I've made on thread is that I believe there's a difference between 'hurty words' and inciting violence and I believe it's disingenuous to infer the latter is anything but.

I agree there's no comparison between that and i.e. manslaughter; they were tried as different crimes with a different outcome and a longer sentence, putting aside the nuances of each case and sentencing.

I'll leave it there as my sole point seems to be getting brought into different arguments for some reason.
 
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