A lot of the racist abuse England players got came from abroad

JJpool

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According to Southgate and whoever he got to look into it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1414575992912367617

Some on that twitter saying most were Italian and American anime accounts, no idea if true but could be bots.

I have no doubt we have some knuckle draggers, but makes you wonder what things these bots get used for and why.
 
Shandypants said:
Bots are used to stir and encourage the culture war. They assist in destabilising countries- see brexit
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I'm sure they are used in all sorts of angles, we know the countries who are the biggest users in their cyber propaganda wars, looking to sow division wherever they can.

Really wouldn't surprise me.

I would like to see how many accounts made such posts and what they are, have they been laying dormant and suddenly kicked out a message not related to its so called title like anime.

The UK is a big cyber power and id imagine we have our own methods of influence and bots etc, all quite shady business really.

But brexit was won on the arguments not bots.
 
JJpool said:
I'm sure they are used in all sorts of angles, we know the countries who are the biggest users in their cyber propaganda wars, looking to sow division wherever they can.

Really wouldn't surprise me.

I would like to see how many accounts made such posts and what they are, have they been laying dormant and suddenly kicked out a message not related to its so called title like anime.

The UK is a big cyber power and id imagine we have our own methods of influence and bots etc, all quite shady business really.

But brexit was won on the arguments not bots.
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Not sure about that. Facebook and twitter were awash with claims about immigration and the likes of Turkey joining the EU. Due to a poor education system that trains people to pass exams, critical thinking is no longer at play in this country and people rely on fake information too readily. This country was easy pickings in that respect..
 
JJpool said:
I'm sure they are used in all sorts of angles, we know the countries who are the biggest users in their cyber propaganda wars, looking to sow division wherever they can.

Really wouldn't surprise me.

I would like to see how many accounts made such posts and what they are, have they been laying dormant and suddenly kicked out a message not related to its so called title like anime.

The UK is a big cyber power and id imagine we have our own methods of influence and bots etc, all quite shady business really.

But brexit was won on the arguments not bots.
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Or lack of argument the Remaining side just thought they'd win they where lazy.
 
JJpool said:
According to Southgate and whoever he got to look into it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1414575992912367617

Some on that twitter saying most were Italian and American anime accounts, no idea if true but could be bots.

I have no doubt we have some knuckle draggers, but makes you wonder what things these bots get used for and why.
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There's a link here, although not much more info: https://order-order.com/2021/07/14/70-of-footballer-racist-abuse-coming-from-overseas/

I wouldn't be surprised if quite a lot of the abuse coming from supposed UK accounts is also really overseas based, or at least nothing to do with football at all.
 
Shandypants said:
Not sure about that. Facebook and twitter were awash with claims about immigration and the likes of Turkey joining the EU. Due to a poor education system that trains people to pass exams, critical thinking is no longer at play in this country and people rely on fake information too readily. This country was easy pickings in that respect..
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The whole Turkey thing wasn't helped by the video of Cameron saying he would pave the way from Ankara to Brussels or whatever it said.

But anyway were getting sidetracked.

Bots will be used on all sides id imagine another sinister methods also.
 
Shandypants said:
Not sure about that. Facebook and twitter were awash with claims about immigration and the likes of Turkey joining the EU. Due to a poor education system that trains people to pass exams, critical thinking is no longer at play in this country and people rely on fake information too readily. This country was easy pickings in that respect..
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It's not just down to critical thinking. It's too neat an explanation in and of itself. There comes a point where the sheer amount of information in the discourse becomes destabilising to everyone. If you can stir that up with falsity then it's very difficult to guard against.

I think the more we head this way,the more important it is to tie internet access to id, but then of course, that yields its own problems in terms of surveillance and liberty.
 
The thing is, if most of those tweets did indeed come from abroad and maybe bot accounts or whatever, this should be mentioned in the mainstream media.

Let's investigate it and expose it.

But they often seem to not want to report stuff that doesn't fit the narrative, that were clearly such a racist country, when were really not. Always a very small minority of idiots and only takes 1 to make that story like this but you can never stop them all.

These potential bot account posts may be encouraging the lunatics, thinking their views are wider spread than they are.
 
JJpool said:
The thing is, if most of those tweets did indeed come from abroad and maybe bot accounts or whatever, this should be mentioned in the mainstream media.

Let's investigate it and expose it.

But they often seem to not want to report stuff that doesn't fit the narrative, that were clearly such a racist country, when were really not. Always a very small minority of idiots and only takes 1 to make that story like this but you can never stop them all.

These potential bot account posts may be encouraging the lunatics, thinking their views are wider spread than they are.
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Then again there's the Portsmouth Under 18s...
 
Scaramanga said:
A lot of this comes down to the media AGAIN. Also there is a large proportion of political agitators that just want this to continue as it suits a narrative. Some just don’t want the division to end.
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Then again there's the Portsmouth Under 18s...
 
Scaramanga said:
A lot of this comes down to the media AGAIN. Also there is a large proportion of political agitators that just want this to continue as it suits a narrative. Some just don’t want the division to end.
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The players taking the knee are drawing attention to a problem - are they really political agitators?
Then after the England match, we have a very clear illustration of the problem that players face - racial abuse on social media, which is a manifestation of a deeper problem in UK society (yes it is here in our society).
This incident isn't the first time that this has happened, it happens frequently, and notably for Blackpool fans to one of our own players Grant Ward last season.
Something needs to change and until it changes the players will, I expect, carry on taking the knee to draw attention to the problem.
Pretending that we don't have a problem is not an option, in doing so you are tacitly supporting the racists.
If you want the division to end, support the players, call out racism when you see it and put pressure on your political representatives to change the law regarding social media.
When the racism is eradicated the division will end.
 
I've seen 3 screenshots of abuse. One was a video on some sharing platform of a coked up England fan at Wembley describing the players who had missed as "wogs" and saying they needed a good kicking.

The other is the Pompey u18s and the last one was Rashford's Instagram.

Only the latter was possibly the work of a foreign agent. I haven't gone looking for this, it's just what I've scrolled past. BBC analysed a small number of public tweets.

Like the post above, I am not sure asking not to be abused is 'divisive' and whilst clearly there is abuse coming from foreign up address there has also been physical abuse scrawled in paint on walls and at least *some* of the abuse is from the UK.

Wherever the abuse comes from, the players are entitled to ask for it to stop and that message is one, that if you aren't participating in abuse, is brief enough for you to just let slide by and crack on with your life.

We recieve 1000s of messages per day and this is just another one. I drive past billboards imploring me to by crunchy nut cornflakes and have a bet and yet,somehow, I just tune them out and don't live in a house full of betting slips and cornflakes.
 
td53 said:
It's not just down to critical thinking. It's too neat an explanation in and of itself. There comes a point where the sheer amount of information in the discourse becomes destabilising to everyone. If you can stir that up with falsity then it's very difficult to guard against.

I think the more we head this way,the more important it is to tie internet access to id, but then of course, that yields its own problems in terms of surveillance and liberty.
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There is also an intention to make people not believe anything (even when it is correct).

Trump and Boris both use this tactic with their blatant, continual lieing and then you get people saying 'but all politicians lie'.*

* which is possibly true but most politicians don't lie on an industrial scale.
 
bollieboy said:
There is also an intention to make people not believe anything (even when it is correct).

Trump and Boris both use this tactic with their blatant, continual lieing and then you get people saying 'but all politicians lie'.*

* which is possibly true but most politicians don't lie on an industrial scale.
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Which is how the election bollocks happened, but seeing as a good percentage of those who thought the US election was stolen also believe there's a secret cartel of famous politicians and people who are actually paedophiles that eat babies, maybe the whole truth thing is lost forever.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Which is how the election bollocks happened, but seeing as a good percentage of those who thought the US election was stolen also believe there's a secret cartel of famous politicians and people who are actually paedophiles that eat babies, maybe the whole truth thing is lost forever.
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Interesting piece in the Guardian. We might never know if it is true or not but it is certainly believable.

www.theguardian.com

Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House

Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracy
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
bollieboy said:
There is also an intention to make people not believe anything (even when it is correct).

Trump and Boris both use this tactic with their blatant, continual lieing and then you get people saying 'but all politicians lie'.*

* which is possibly true but most politicians don't lie on an industrial scale.
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Exactly. I think it was birthed in Russia. Putin funds media that gives an anti Putin message. Why? To ensure there is no established singular 'truth' but instead multiple truths that people believe instead and argue about. No one can coelesce around anything because everything is a culture war.
 
bollieboy said:
Interesting piece in the Guardian. We might never know if it is true or not but it is certainly believable.

www.theguardian.com

Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House

Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracy
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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It's not a surprise is it?

It certainly explains his embarrassingly cuckold performance when they met, thank fuck he lost this time, Putin's demeanour was certainly a lot more nervous with Biden, who I imagine told him politely (and possibly not too politely) to go fuck himself.
 
Wizaard said:
For the millionth time, the players have chosen to kneel, not in support of a campaign group called Black Lives Matter, but to raise awareness of issues they themselves are facing.

What's so hard to understand and take in about that?
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So raise awareness a different way to save any misunderstanding. Seems quite straightforward to me.
 
rockontommy said:
So raise awareness a different way to save any misunderstanding. Seems quite straightforward to me.
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They have. They're kneeling and making it clear it's not in support of BLM as a movement, but some are deliberately ignoring the message.
 
Wizaard said:
They have. They're kneeling and making it clear it's not in support of BLM as a movement, but some are deliberately ignoring the message.
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Would be an awful lot easier if they chose a different way of doing it. Would eradicate the whole debate in an instant.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
It's not a surprise is it?

It certainly explains his embarrassingly cuckold performance when they met, thank fuck he lost this time, Putin's demeanour was certainly a lot more nervous with Biden, who I imagine told him politely (and possibly not too politely) to go fuck himself.
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This is beyond parody, hope you find your way back to reality at some point. Btw, Putin sends thanks to Obama & Biden for Crimea and Nordstream 2.
 
Bamber said:
I'm making a nazi salute as a protest against homophobia, which makes it totally ok cos I say it is.
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Bamber
Taking the knee is evolving into an enduring, symbolic gesture against racism. It has strong elegiac connotations, and does not have the aggressive undercurrent of the 68 Black Power clenched fist. It has also been used by both black and white, and is gradually losing its association with BLM, for good or ill.
The Nazi salute, on the other hand, represents a racist, Aryan supremacist, homophobic, misogynistic ideology. 1. Why would one use a Nazi salute to protest against homophobia? 2. Who needs to find their way back to reality? I apologise if I overlooked a sophistication in your parallel.
 
Bots, fake news bullshit & social media, I think we may need to turn all this shit off very soon, that's if you've actually turned on in the first place 🙄
 
rockontommy said:
Would be an awful lot easier if they chose a different way of doing it. Would eradicate the whole debate in an instant.
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White person dictating how Black Person should protest... ?

"I give you permission to protest, but would you mind awfully adhering to my preference, when it comes to how you might undertake said protest, my boy"
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
White person dictating how Black Person should protest... ?

"I give you permission to protest, but would you mind awfully adhering to my preference, when it comes to how you might undertake said protest, my boy"
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Typical honky presuming I am white
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
The players taking the knee are drawing attention to a problem - are they really political agitators?
Then after the England match, we have a very clear illustration of the problem that players face - racial abuse on social media, which is a manifestation of a deeper problem in UK society (yes it is here in our society).
This incident isn't the first time that this has happened, it happens frequently, and notably for Blackpool fans to one of our own players Grant Ward last season.
Something needs to change and until it changes the players will, I expect, carry on taking the knee to draw attention to the problem.
Pretending that we don't have a problem is not an option, in doing so you are tacitly supporting the racists.
If you want the division to end, support the players, call out racism when you see it and put pressure on your political representatives to change the law regarding social media.
When the racism is eradicated the division will end.
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I think your deluded if you think taking the knee will end racism, or that racism will end full stop. I’m afraid we will be long gone before that remotely looks like happening. but carry on watching the division rise. Ive already said that 5Yes 5 silly posts was 5 too many. But I can’t help but feel people like you love watching it all unravel. Its like some people are Media puppets and love it.
 
Discojohndeary said:
Bamber
Taking the knee is evolving into an enduring, symbolic gesture against racism. It has strong elegiac connotations, and does not have the aggressive undercurrent of the 68 Black Power clenched fist. It has also been used by both black and white, and is gradually losing its association with BLM, for good or ill.
The Nazi salute, on the other hand, represents a racist, Aryan supremacist, homophobic, misogynistic ideology. 1. Why would one use a Nazi salute to protest against homophobia? 2. Who needs to find their way back to reality? I apologise if I overlooked a sophistication in your parallel.
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You must have missed a lot of players raising their fist black power style while kneeling, including Grant Ward. I doubt most of the players are sophisticated enough to understand the history and its connotations but its weird to see it on a football pitch in the UK in 2021.
 
There’s several threads on this now, clearly there’s not going to be an amicable agreement on the rights and wrongs. As I’ve said the media have played a big role in blowing this up to something a lot bigger than it needed to be and with the division in today’s society they have got the coverage they wanted.

As the lads have taken a private jet to the Turks and Caicos islands for a well earned rest doesn’t everyone think it’s time to discuss other current affairs such as the problems in Cuba, South Africa or the 6750 slaves that have died building the World Cup stadiums in Qatar ?
 
So in conclusion, the vast majority of racial tweets were from overseas, and the Rashford mural vandalism was not racially motivated.

Well done the media for whipping up a frenzy.
 
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