A new low from the Woke brigade.

20togo said:
You thought wrong then. The letter sent home by the school was for children to attend school to celebrate their own culture. And that's what she was doing.
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So what did other English kids go dressed as then for them to be acceptable and her not?
 
King Billy said:
So what did other English kids go dressed as then for them to be acceptable and her not?
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why would i know the answer to that? Her outfit was acceptable and it represented her culture. She clearly fulfilled the criteria. The school have since acknowledged that they made a mistake.

You really seem as if you are trying to justify the schools initial actions to send her home. Maybe one of your earlier posts are trying to imply their were racist connotations. As i made in an earlier point it seems to be a common theme that woke people love to look for something to be offended about. In this case there clearly was none.
 
20togo said:
why would i know the answer to that? Her outfit was acceptable and it represented her culture. She clearly fulfilled the criteria. The school have since acknowledged that they made a mistake.

You really seem as if you are trying to justify the schools initial actions to send her home. Maybe one of your earlier posts are trying to imply their were racist connotations. As i made in an earlier point it seems to be a common theme that woke people love to look for something to be offended about. In this case there clearly was none.
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Most "woke" people just want a society where, within the confines of reasonable, everyone can have the chance to be who they wish. No hate. No repression. The radical minority don't represent the majority.

Just like xenophobes don't represent the majority of right-wingers.
 
CestrianSeasider said:
Most "woke" people just want a society where, within the confines of reasonable, everyone can have the chance to be who they wish. No hate. No repression. The radical minority don't represent the majority.

Just like xenophobes don't represent the majority of right-wingers.
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....and therein lies the problem. You wokes look for issues and create issues by being offended when as in this case there is no reason.. It clearly is a mindset otherwise why would the headmaster have done what he did.

But yes i agree with you, it's the radicals on both sides that generally create the problems.
 
20togo said:
why would i know the answer to that? Her outfit was acceptable and it represented her culture. She clearly fulfilled the criteria. The school have since acknowledged that they made a mistake.

You really seem as if you are trying to justify the schools initial actions to send her home. Maybe one of your earlier posts are trying to imply their were racist connotations. As i made in an earlier point it seems to be a common theme that woke people love to look for something to be offended about. In this case there clearly was none.
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Justifying it by saying the school was wrong? OK. I have never defended the schools actions I have criticised the response from grifters who’s eyes lit up when this happened.
Mainly her dad and Tommy Robinson.
 
20togo said:
....and therein lies the problem. You wokes look for issues and create issues by being offended when as in this case there is no reason.. It clearly is a mindset otherwise why would the headmaster have done what he did.

But yes i agree with you, it's the radicals on both sides that generally create the problems.
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You could've just kept the second paragraph you know.
 
20togo said:
I could have but just like you i wanted to make a point.
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My point doesn't and will never involve making blanket statements about individuals who don't align with my political views.

Me being left, am not a fan of the right in general but you won't quote me putting all right-wingers in the same box by using terms worthy of the playground.

Set aside your "wokeys" and "leftie looneys" and during all future political discussions let's just chat. We'd all be happier for it.
 
20togo said:
....and therein lies the problem. You wokes look for issues and create issues by being offended when as in this case there is no reason.. It clearly is a mindset otherwise why would the headmaster have done what he did.

But yes i agree with you, it's the radicals on both sides that generally create the problems.
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So you agree that it is extremists on either side of the issue who are at fault. But you want to have a pop at "you wokes" as well ? Have you ever thought that you are part of the problem?
 
contraryalf said:
So you agree that it is extremists on either side of the issue who are at fault. But you want to have a pop at "you wokes" as well ? Have you ever thought that you are part of the problem?
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Hello my little stalker. No, why would i? I'm not an extremist but i think there is a problem..
 
CestrianSeasider said:
My point doesn't and will never involve making blanket statements about individuals who don't align with my political views.

Me being left, am not a fan of the right in general but you won't quote me putting all right-wingers in the same box by using terms worthy of the playground.

Set aside your "wokeys" and "leftie looneys" and during all future political discussions let's just chat. We'd all be happier for it.
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may i suggest you also learn then. You talk of terms and the playground but i don't have to look far in this thread to find a condescending sarcastic remark from you. "Chapeau". Jeez. It's why i think you lefties believe you are intellectually and morally superior to others.
 
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20togo said:
may i suggest you also learn then. You talk of terms and the playground but i don't have to look far in this thread to find a condescending sarcastic remark from you. "Chapeau". Jeez.
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Chapeau = well done or bravo.

Where's the condescendance please?

Edit: who cares about whether some believe themselves more intelligent? The motivation should therefore be to set the standard by creating a calm space to discuss without resorting to insults (and french terms 😉).
 
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The school have cocked up massively. The father can’t be blamed no matter what his agenda is, because the school sent her home and that makes no sense at all.
It’s this kind of behaviour that is creating hostile divisions within the UK, and lead normal British folk to start looking sympathetically at groups such as those led by TR. Makes sense when decisions like this are being made by mainstream institutions like British schools.
 
CestrianSeasider said:
Chapeau = well done or bravo.

Where's the condescendance please?

Edit: who cares about whether some believe themselves more intelligent? The motivation should therefore be to set the standard by creating a calm space to discuss without resorting to insults (and french terms).
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Oh come on.

You put it at the end of this sentence.

"The right have done a sensational job in manipulating the term so that it's become a slurr and an insult. Chapeau" No way is that genuine approval. It's a deliberate sarcastic condescending remark. You knew full well why you said it.
 
Lala said:
The school have cocked up massively. The father can’t be blamed no matter what his agenda is, because the school sent her home and that makes no sense at all.
It’s this kind of behaviour that is creating hostile divisions within the UK, and lead normal British folk to start looking sympathetically at groups such as those led by TR. Makes sense when decisions like this are being made by mainstream institutions like British schools.
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well said lala. I never will be a TR supporter but as you say when mainstream institutions are making decisions like this it is clearly a mindset thing. And a reason why the term woke gets used. And in the context i've used it, it is with plenty of justification.
 
20togo said:
Oh come on.

You put it at the end of this sentence.

"The right have done a sensational job in manipulating the term so that it's become a slurr and an insult. Chapeau" No way is that genuine approval. It's a deliberate sarcastic condescending remark. You knew full well why you said it.
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To be honest, it's said with sadness but it's genuine. The term woke is deemed broadly now as an insult. And I tip my hat off to right-wing influencers who've managed to make it so.
 
Lala said:
The school have cocked up massively. The father can’t be blamed no matter what his agenda is, because the school sent her home and that makes no sense at all.
It’s this kind of behaviour that is creating hostile divisions within the UK, and lead normal British folk to start looking sympathetically at groups such as those led by TR. Makes sense when decisions like this are being made by mainstream institutions like British schools.
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That’s exactly what it is, a cock up.
But 20s wants you to think there is some sort of woke, anti English agenda at play amongst the education system.
 
CestrianSeasider said:
@ JJpool

So, by that logic, I'd have naturally validated the behaviour of the school since it according to you correspondants to my politics......

Except it doesn't, as per my previous posts

I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate slurs in your direction so please do the same.
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Slurs? You joked about the woke mind virus being in the room and I joked back if you're still here...
 
20togo said:
nope, you said it as a type of applause. Sarcastic and condescending.
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Even  if it was sarcastic and condescending, the tipping of the hat remains valid and no-one, including yourself or the right, is being outrightly criticised as such.

So, what's the real issue?
 
King Billy said:
That’s exactly what it is, a cock up.
But 20s wants you to think there is some sort of woke, anti English agenda at play amongst the education system.
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Utter bullshit. Let's be clear here. You couldn't even get it right in thinking the school was celebrating any other culture but British. You were WRONG and it was YOU with the agenda. And i haven't suggested that it's an anti English agenda in the education system at all. One headmaster making one bad decision does not make the education system anti english at all and i've never implied that.

Like i said wokism is a mindset thing and you prove it. You came in here giving it large and your whole premise was based on not even getting the story right in the first place.
 
20togo said:
it says it will be given to him, it doesn't say he's had it. He also says in a reply to the proven liar Narinder Kaur that he's nor had a penny. Has there been any follow up story to confirm he's had money from anyone?
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He was on a podcast saying he hadn't, as he replied to NK, the go fund me was set up by someone as a young girl was thrust into the public sphere and they wanted to do it, so did.

They didn't ask for it but it'll obviously go to him but for her, shes 12.

As for people attacking the father, especially as seen on some platforms, just because hes a proud brit and attends a free speech event is entirely his right to do so.

The event will be attended by many thousands and isn't particularly about TR, it'll have speakers like Jordan Peterson for e.g and is a peaceful celebration day.

This whole incident wouldn't have happened if we didn't live in a country where some are ashamed to express our own culture and seem to want to promote everyone else's above ours.

Of course that'll create resentment and it's part of what were seeing in a lot of anger.
 
CestrianSeasider said:
Even  if it was sarcastic and condescending, the tipping of the hat remains valid and no-one, including yourself or the right, is being outrightly criticised as such.

So, what's the real issue?
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well we got there. You were sarcastic and condescending. Deliberately so. A trait i associate with many lefties on here.
 
20togo said:
I know it's true. I know lefties have used it as a derogatory term for people on the right. I know you have used the term.
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Not aimed at the right per se. Anyone who takes the view that wrapping themselves in the flag makes them more patriotic.

For example, Boris insisted the flag was always there behind him when he was on the lectern.

He badly harmed the country while claiming to be a patriot.
 
20togo said:
well we got there. You were sarcastic and condescending. Deliberately so. A trait i associate with many lefties on here.
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I mean if you were the one behind the post I'd understand because... well, it's you.

But it wasn't. I wrote the post. And in good faith, I'm confirming that there was neither sarcasm nor condescendance in its nature.

If you refuse to believe that, well, you can draw a horse to water.
 
King Billy said:
That’s exactly what it is, a cock up.
But 20s wants you to think there is some sort of woke, anti English agenda at play amongst the education system.
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I think I’d like to know the schools reason. Did they give one ? I’ve only read the one article don’t recall them giving one ?
Their reason would help identify if we are going to the dogs in general, or if one school has made one extraordinary mistake based on what ?
 
JJpool said:
He was on a podcast saying he hadn't, as he replied to NK, the go fund me was set up by someone as a young girl was thrust into the public sphere and they wanted to do it, so did.

They didn't ask for it but it'll obviously go to him but for her, shes 12.

As for people attacking the father, especially as seen on some platforms, just because hes a proud brit and attends a free speech event is entirely his right to do so.

The event will be attended by many thousands and isn't particularly about TR, it'll have speakers like Jordan Peterson for e.g and is a peaceful celebration day.

This whole incident wouldn't have happened if we didn't live in a country where some are ashamed to express our own culture and seem to want to promote everyone else's above ours.

Of course that'll create resentment and it's part of what were seeing in a lot of anger.
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If it had been my daughter I would have gone straight to the school for an explanation which my Mum and Dad did on a couple of occasions. Not gone on social media saying " look at me". When you do go on socials ( I think that what you youngsters call it,) You think what a tw4t
 
Wizaard said:
Not aimed at the right per se. Anyone who takes the view that wrapping themselves in the flag makes them more patriotic.

For example, Boris insisted the flag was always there behind him when he was on the lectern.

He badly harmed the country while claiming to be a patriot.
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oooh, is that a bit of back tracking. So then are you a more patriotic Blackpool fan because you've got an England flag with is it Yorkshire Seasiders on it?
 
Wizaard said:
Not aimed at the right per se. Anyone who takes the view that wrapping themselves in the flag makes them more patriotic.

For example, Boris insisted the flag was always there behind him when he was on the lectern.

He badly harmed the country while claiming to be a patriot.
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And no one  should have to manifest themselves with the flag to prove to anyone that they're patriotic. We all are in our way.
 
Lala said:
I think I’d like to know the schools reason. Did they give one ? I’ve only read the one article don’t recall them giving one ?
Their reason would help identify if we are going to the dogs in general, or if one school has made one extraordinary mistake based on what ?
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I hope they make it sooner rather than later 😅
 
20togo said:
Utter bullshit. Let's be clear here. You couldn't even get it right in thinking the school was celebrating any other culture but British. You were WRONG and it was YOU with the agenda. And i haven't suggested that it's an anti English agenda in the education system at all. One headmaster making one bad decision does not make the education system anti english at all and i've never implied that.

Like i said wokism is a mindset thing and you prove it. You came in here giving it large and your whole premise was based on not even getting the story right in the first place.
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So you just blame the teacher for a bad decision then? You have done nothing but blame “woke mindset” which clearly infers you see a problem beyond 1 teachers poor actions.
 
Lala said:
I think I’d like to know the schools reason. Did they give one ? I’ve only read the one article don’t recall them giving one ?
Their reason would help identify if we are going to the dogs in general, or if one school has made one extraordinary mistake based on what ?
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Havnt seen a reason from the school just an apology.
 
King Billy said:
So you just blame the teacher for a bad decision then? You have done nothing but blame “woke mindset” which clearly infers you see a problem beyond 1 teachers poor actions.
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I think there is a problem beyond just this decision. I believe there is a woke mindset.
 
King Billy said:
Havnt seen a reason from the school just an apology.
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I think the reason is the most important thing here, and without it it’s hard to gauge if this is a standalone issue.
Or an issue that had the potential to grow legs if left unchallenged, or a totally isolated incident, but based on a really strange perception of society in the UK that the school has picked up from somewhere ?
Hopefully we’ll get some clarity.
 
Lala said:
I think the reason is the most important thing here, and without it it’s hard to gauge if this is a standalone issue.
Or an issue that had the potential to grow legs if left unchallenged, or a totally isolated incident, but based on a really strange perception of society in the UK that the school has picked up from somewhere ?
Hopefully we’ll get some clarity.
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Lord know we need it. 140+ messages later and we're still no closer to knowing 😅
 
Old_Laytonian said:
If it had been my daughter I would have gone straight to the school for an explanation which my Mum and Dad did on a couple of occasions. Not gone on social media saying " look at me". When you do go on socials ( I think that what you youngsters call it,) You think what a tw4t
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I think that's what he did...
 
Lala said:
I think the reason is the most important thing here, and without it it’s hard to gauge if this is a standalone issue.
Or an issue that had the potential to grow legs if left unchallenged, or a totally isolated incident, but based on a really strange perception of society in the UK that the school has picked up from somewhere ?
Hopefully we’ll get some clarity.
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I’d be interested to know aswell because given the theme was “celebrate your own culture” surely the majority of kids had similar clothing. EG Union Jack or St George’s cross etc.
How did a Union Jack dress somehow cross the line?
 
This whole thing with the dress and the school is ridiculous but generally speaking what part of British culture do people think they are being stopped from taking part in?

If i wanted to join a brass band or do Morris dancing i can.
If i want to go to a Christian church i can.
If i want to eat roast beef and yorkshire pudding i can.
If i want to go to the pub i can.
If i want to take part in football, rugby or cricket i can.
If i want to see Shakespeare or listen to Gilbert and Sullivan or watch a British movie i can.

Im thinking the biggest threat to our culture is apathy from born and bred British people.
 
Lala said:
I think the reason is the most important thing here, and without it it’s hard to gauge if this is a standalone issue.
Or an issue that had the potential to grow legs if left unchallenged, or a totally isolated incident, but based on a really strange perception of society in the UK that the school has picked up from somewhere ?
Hopefully we’ll get some clarity.
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There are other examples of things like this, where woke people or even just one person in a position of power try to shut down things.

Say you cant say merry Christmas but happy holidays in order not to offend non Christians. Flag flying is offensive.

Or how about.... along the lines of woke crap... because some minorities dont like dogs.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1897069145486709016
 
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