A personal thanks to teachers

Lala

Lala

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My granddaughter is attending a local school as the child of a key worker.
120 children from reception to year 6 inclusive so not an easy ask.
Social distancing has been applied and although impossible with such a broad age group to adhere to any particular curriculum she is having a ball.
Excercise with Joe Wicks in the playground each morning, pottery, art, history and geography learning plus a constant update of topical events delivered with care.
She even complains that her mum is picking her up too early some days, and she’s made new friends and is learning about life and how to adapt 👍
She’s a happy little girl which makes things much easier all round.

Every credit to the teaching fraternity and many thanks.
 
Lala said:
My granddaughter is attending a local school as the child of a key worker.
120 children from reception to year 6 inclusive so not an easy ask.
Social distancing has been applied and although impossible with such a broad age group to adhere to any particular curriculum she is having a ball.
Excercise with Joe Wicks in the playground each morning, pottery, art, history and geography learning plus a constant update of topical events delivered with care.
She even complains that her mum is picking her up too early some days, and she’s made new friends and is learning about life and how to adapt 👍
She’s a happy little girl which makes things much easier all round.

Every credit to the teaching fraternity and many thanks.
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Public service workers are the NHS, Police, Civil Service, Fire Service, Ambulance Service, Local Govt, Teachers, Cleaners, Refuse Collectors, Care workers and - more than anything - they are us. Let's celebrate them.
 
Sorry to be doom and gloom but we are in for the mother of all austerity periods once we get through this
Who’s going to pay for these pay rises ?
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Sorry to be doom and gloom but we are in for the mother of all austerity periods once we get through this
Who’s going to pay for these pay rises ?
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Increase the basic rate of income tax,stiff people like Richard Branson and the likes of Amazon. In Blackpool they should look to clamp down on the amount of cash work that undermines our own towns economy,which includes the many people living off the record in flats and accommodation and not paying council tax.
 
That’s easy Tam, nobody, as laudable as it would be it’s just wishful thinking unfortunately. All the praise for the fantastic work done by the aforementioned group of workers will soon be forgotten when things return to ‘normal’
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Sorry to be doom and gloom but we are in for the mother of all austerity periods once we get through this
Who’s going to pay for these pay rises ?
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Tax increases to support the services we’ really’ needed during a real crisis.
Plumbs said:
Increase the basic rate of income tax,stiff people like Richard Branson and the likes of Amazon. In Blackpool they should look to clamp down on the amount of cash work that undermines our own towns economy,which includes the many people living off the record in the flats and accommodation and not paying council tax.
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Couldn’t have put it better.
There has to be an acknowledgement of the sector that maybe don’t make money for the nation, but save lives therefore enabling that element of high earners and wealth creators of the nation, often functioning with self interest, to continue safely.
 
That’s all very laudable however the reality is there is going to be significantly less tax paid by those who pay it as most businesses aren’t making money and won’t do until the economy recovers
ie you could double corporation tax but you won’t get as much as in the year to 5/4/20 this tax year
Taxing anything that moves ( other than Amazon et al who I despise ) isn’t the way to do that History tells us that
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Well done CAT. 😮
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To be fair, my work while continuing is not the same as those still going into school. The fantastic response from other teachers means that our Head does not require anyone over 50 being required to go in to supervise the students we have attending. Being a Secondary school we have far fewer students as well. Those that are going in are doing a fantastic job.
 
catinstalbans said:
To be fair, my work while continuing is not the same as those still going into school. The fantastic response from other teachers means that our Head does not require anyone over 50 being required to go in to supervise the students we have attending. Being a Secondary school we have far fewer students as well. Those that are going in are doing a fantastic job.
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Good call on the over 50s as they won't be able to hit a student from 20 yards with a board rubber 😉
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
That’s all very laudable however the reality is there is going to be significantly less tax paid by those who pay it as most businesses aren’t making money and won’t do until the economy recovers
ie you could double corporation tax but you won’t get as much as in the year to 5/4/20 this tax year
Taxing anything that moves ( other than Amazon et al who I despise ) isn’t the way to do that History tells us that
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Tax is relative to earnings though so doesn’t discriminate in that respect. Those, including myself,who are able to pay more, should pay more.
And I don’t earn a lot, but I have enough. Chasing more than having enough rather than rewarding those worth more isn’t morally fair when we’ve depended on these people to keep us safe and alive.
Edit to add, and by reputation I’m a tough task master and expect everyone to do what they can reasonably do to support each other. I’ve no time for the lazy shirkers et al,but that isn’t what I’m discussing here.
 
Lala said:
Tax increases to support the services we’ really’ needed during a real crisis.

Couldn’t have put it better.
There has to be an acknowledgement of the sector that maybe don’t make money for the nation, but save lives therefore enabling that element of high earners and wealth creators of the nation, often functioning with self interest, to continue safely.
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To be honest I think the wages paid in the private sector are generally lower ( particularly if you factor in the pension provision ). Appreciate there are anomalies with everything but that’s my experience and I tend to see wages paid more than most as I’ve advised on employment law for thirty years
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
That’s all very laudable however the reality is there is going to be significantly less tax paid by those who pay it as most businesses aren’t making money and won’t do until the economy recovers
ie you could double corporation tax but you won’t get as much as in the year to 5/4/20 this tax year
Taxing anything that moves ( other than Amazon et al who I despise ) isn’t the way to do that History tells us that
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Bit early to get the excuses in?
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Taxing anything that moves ( other than Amazon et al who I despise ) isn’t the way to do that History tells us that
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I'm not suggesting that but just go back to pre Thatcher rates and look at the VAT thresholds on luxury goods, and generate public sector jobs that have been cut to ribbons previously.
I'd look at rebooting the manufacturing industries too ,indeed how can the Chinese actually own British Steel when we've the resources and technology to run that ourselves?
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
To be honest I think the wages paid in the private sector are generally lower ( particularly if you factor in the pension provision ). Appreciate there are anomalies with everything but that’s my experience and I tend to see wages paid more than most as I’ve advised on employment law for thirty years
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When you compare the wage of a staff nurse against the wage of some private sector roles I feel there is some disparity, but maybe that’s just me.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Bit early to get the excuses in?
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Not excuses
The truth
Our employees don’t earn more than their comparators in the public sector - I’d suggest far less
What I earn depends on the profit I can generate
Trust me when I tell you in a high street practice in South Shore I’m not rolling in it - whilst the business pays huge sums in tax already via VAT / PAYE / NIC and personal tax
You can increase those rates as much as you want but we won’t be paying as much next year or the year after as revenues are massively down That’s fact
We are doing better than most I think - most of our competitors have effectively closed the doors however we have furloughed nearly half our employees nevertheless
It’s tough out there
Forgive me if I’m not banging the drum of pay rises in the public sector when there are many a lot worse off
 
Lala said:
When you compare the wage of a staff nurse against the wage of some private sector roles I feel there is some disparity, but maybe that’s just me.
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Maybe in private hospitals
Or you could compare a nurse to a senior care worker in the private sector
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
To be honest I think the wages paid in the private sector are generally lower ( particularly if you factor in the pension provision ). Appreciate there are anomalies with everything but that’s my experience and I tend to see wages paid more than most as I’ve advised on employment law for thirty years
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TwelveAngryMen said:
Not excuses
The truth
Our employees don’t earn more than their comparators in the public sector - I’d suggest far less
What I earn depends on the profit I can generate
Trust me when I tell you in a high street practice in South Shore I’m not rolling in it - whilst the business pays huge sums in tax already via VAT / PAYE / NIC and personal tax
You can increase those rates as much as you want but we won’t be paying as much next year or the year after as revenues are massively down That’s fact
We are doing better than most I think - most of our competitors have effectively closed the doors however we have furloughed nearly half our employees nevertheless
It’s tough out there
Forgive me if I’m not banging the drum of pay rises on public sector
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Depending on profits is the choice you made TAM and I bet you'll earn more than a similarly qualified NHS employee, front line NHS nurses start on a Band 5, HCAs a Band 3.

You seem to think market forces should prevail above all?
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Not excuses
The truth
Our employees don’t earn more than their comparators in the public sector - I’d suggest far less
What I earn depends on the profit I can generate
Trust me when I tell you in a high street practice in South Shore I’m not rolling in it - whilst the business pays huge sums in tax already via VAT / PAYE / NIC and personal tax
You can increase those rates as much as you want but we won’t be paying as much next year or the year after as revenues are massively down That’s fact
We are doing better than most I think - most of our competitors have effectively closed the doors however we have furloughed nearly half our employees nevertheless
It’s tough out there
Forgive me if I’m not banging the drum of pay rises in the public sector when there are many a lot worse off
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The tax system will determine fairly whose paid a lot and who isn’t. If increased it will increase fairly, what’s not to like. Even the health workers,cleaners, bus drivers etc will pay more tax if we reward them appropriately, it won’t discriminate in that respect if we hike up the rates proportionally 🤔
 
I've always had the opinion that people should get pay rises, good on them. I despise this attitude that compares public/private sector wages. Fight your own corner and not belittle other professions. The working class used to have balls, now they just point fingers at one another and sneer. I've worked in the public sector for 17 years and the private sector for 10. It's utter bollocks to say the public sector are well paid, my wages were massively higher in the private world and my job easier.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Maybe in private hospitals
Or you could compare a nurse to a senior care worker in the private sector
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Exactly, I’m all for rewarding private care workers too. It’s not about public v private it’s about rewarding those who deserve the reward and giving them the acknowledgment they aren’t given now.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Not excuses
The truth
Our employees don’t earn more than their comparators in the public sector - I’d suggest far less
What I earn depends on the profit I can generate
Trust me when I tell you in a high street practice in South Shore I’m not rolling in it - whilst the business pays huge sums in tax already via VAT / PAYE / NIC and personal tax
You can increase those rates as much as you want but we won’t be paying as much next year or the year after as revenues are massively down That’s fact
We are doing better than most I think - most of our competitors have effectively closed the doors however we have furloughed nearly half our employees nevertheless
It’s tough out there
Forgive me if I’m not banging the drum of pay rises in the public sector when there are many a lot worse off
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A country's worth is really based on what it can make and provide for itself and we've become far too reliant on others,so we need to look at long term measures to address that. In the short term there are many making good money from this country noticeably utility companies from abroad,foreign goods with no British alternatives and technology giants who's tax contributions are almost negligible.
It is after all what some of us voted for on the Brexit vote ie independence and right to self determination.
 
You'd best apply for a legal job in the town hall. Massive pay, no hassle. Pension at 67
Plumbs said:
A country's worth is really based on what it can make and provide for itself and we've become far too reliant on others,so we need to look at long term measures to address that. In the short term there are many making good money from this country noticeably utility companies from abroad,foreign goods with no British alternatives and technology giants who's tax contributions are almost negligible.
It is after all what some of us voted for on the Brexit vote ie independence and right to self determination.
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You voted brexit on that basis. Good Lord
 
Plumbs said:
A country's worth is really based on what it can make and provide for itself and we've become far too reliant on others,so we need to look at long term measures to address that. In the short term there are many making good money from this country noticeably utility companies from abroad,foreign goods with no British alternatives and technology giants who's tax contributions are almost negligible.
It is after all what some of us voted for on the Brexit vote ie independence and right to self determination.
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Exactly. What's the point in Brexit otherwise? Free ourselves from the tyranny of Europe to do what?

If it's not to make our economy work better in terms of making us more sustainable and ensure the profits from energy generation, manufacturing and transport go back into the UK economy instead of elsewhere then I can't see the point.
 
Shandypants said:
You'd best apply for a legal job in the town hall. Massive pay, no hassle. Pension at 67

You voted brexit on that basis. Good Lord
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No not me but just making the point as its what the country voted for.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Ok I might have missed the point you were making
The primary point I make however is that tax revenues are going to be a hell of a lot lower for years
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Yep, but where those revenues come from is irrelevant in some respects and wage increases for any deserving worker increases the tax revenue, it doesn’t just have to come from the private sector.
I’m a public sector worker and my working contributes to to the national tax revenue pot that sustains the nation, just as much as that of a private sector worker.
I’m proud of my contribution and work ethic, why wouldn’t I be, it’s as important as anyone else’s. I’m also happy to pay more to support those who support me, especially those who work harder than me, as I know many do.
Maybe I have the naivety of not being remotely materialistic, which isn’t a criticism of those who are, we all have very different motivations and that’s human nature I guess.
 
Lala said:
Yep, but where those revenues come from is irrelevant in some respects and wage increases for any deserving worker increases the tax revenue, it doesn’t just have to come from the private sector.
I’m a public sector worker and my working contributes to to the national tax revenue pot that sustains the nation, just as much as that of a private sector worker.
I’m proud of my contribution and work ethic, why wouldn’t I be, it’s as important as anyone else’s. I’m also happy to pay more to support those who support me, especially those who work harder than me, as I know many do.
Maybe I have the naivety of not being remotely materialistic, which isn’t a criticism of those who are, we all have very different motivations and that’s human nature I guess.
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To be clear I’m not denigrating anyone’s contribution It’s not about that It’s just the talk of pay rises in the public sector when we are facing meltdown ( and that’s what we are ) doesn’t sit right with me
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
To be clear I’m not denigrating anyone’s contribution It’s not about that It’s just the talk of pay rises in the public sector when we are facing meltdown ( and that’s what we are ) doesn’t sit right with me
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I get that TAM 👍 it’s not a debate about tax increases per se, more about balancing worth.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
To be clear I’m not denigrating anyone’s contribution It’s not about that It’s just the talk of pay rises in the public sector when we are facing meltdown ( and that’s what we are ) doesn’t sit right with me
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And if more desert the public sector we truly will meltdown.
 
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