A question for Evo.

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Just been listenning to a bit more of Evo post match with Amos Wynn. Obviously he says pretty much the same as in other interviews but I picked up what he says about Scott Banks not fitting into the system he wants to play.
My question for Evo is;
"Is it better whilst you are having to manage players you didnt recruit to play the players you have in the positions that best suits them rather than out of position in a system that bests suits you?"
Obviously over time he will presumably be able to recruit to suit his taste but we don't appear to have those players now, or is it that they're simply not good enough?
 
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Insider said:
Just been listenning to a bit more of Evo post match with Amos Wynn. Obviously he says pretty much the same as in other interviews but I picked up what he says about Scott Banks not fitting into the system he wants to play.
My question for Evo is;
"Is it better whilst you are having to manage players you didnt recruit to play the players you have in the positions that best suits them rather than out of position in a system that bests suits you?"
Obviously over time he will presumably be able to recruit to suit his taste but we don't appear to have those players now, or do we and they're simply not good enough?
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Would it have Made more sense to keep them in their natural position (if poss) until out of the danger zone?
 
Insider said:
Just been listenning to a bit more of Evo post match with Amos Wynn. Obviously he says pretty much the same as in other interviews but I picked up what he says about Scott Banks not fitting into the system he wants to play.
My question for Evo is;
"Is it better whilst you are having to manage players you didnt recruit to play the players you have in the positions that best suits them rather than out of position in a system that bests suits you?"
Obviously over time he will presumably be able to recruit to suit his taste but we don't appear to have those players now, or do we and they're simply not good enough?
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Good question.

A case of system over players, or players to dictate system.

i think Evo is right to adopt a system and play that for a couple of reasons. One is the players who are 'right' will learn what, why and how he wants things done and 2 if you start shoehorning players in to their best positions then you will knock others out of their best position.

Imagine starting with 5 wingers and no midfield :))

He has to try to find the players in the squad who best fit what he wants. In reality it needs probably 3 players in who play in the positions he wants and then things improve.

A case of a silk purse out of shit recruiting.
 
fcblackpool said:
Good question.

A case of system over players, or players to dictate system.

i think Evo is right to adopt a system and play that for a couple of reasons. One is the players who are 'right' will learn what, why and how he wants things done and 2 if you start shoehorning players in to their best positions then you will knock others out of their best position.

Imagine starting with 5 wingers and no midfield :))

He has to try to find the players in the squad who best fit what he wants. In reality it needs probably 3 players in who play in the positions he wants and then things improve.

A case of a silk purse out of shit recruiting.
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Playing a back 3 with no leftie is not good and all 3 of them are probably best suited to playing in the middle.
Its very similar with the 3 experienced fit mid-fielders who seemed to be being pushed here there and everywhere by the "process".
Of course I can only see what's going wrong and I cant offer a solution BUT I do think 4-3-3 best fits what we currently have available.
 
Insider said:
Just been listenning to a bit more of Evo post match with Amos Wynn. Obviously he says pretty much the same as in other interviews but I picked up what he says about Scott Banks not fitting into the system he wants to play.
My question for Evo is;
"Is it better whilst you are having to manage players you didnt recruit to play the players you have in the positions that best suits them rather than out of position in a system that bests suits you?"
Obviously over time he will presumably be able to recruit to suit his taste but we don't appear to have those players now, or is it that they're simply not good enough?
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Think ideally hed be more flexible about the system he plays in the current circumstances.
 
Lots of managers are stuck on their system, it kills me, why no flexibility? So SB is totally done for now in this system, hopefully we are not bored as f for the rest of the season, I was watching Marseille v Newcastle last week, the way Mars played was brilliant, not loads of passing round the back and not just hoof forward and run the channels, fast incisive passing that went from back to front quickly, of course we do not have the same players but we could have the same intent. Hopefully we are not in for a slow passive passing game with IE, let's see when he has more time and a fit squad to choose from.
 
Insider said:
Playing a back 3 with no leftie is not good and all 3 of them are probably best suited to playing in the middle.
Its very similar with the 3 experienced fit mid-fielders who seemed to be being pushed here there and everywhere by the "process".
Of course I can only see what's going wrong and I cant offer a solution BUT I do think 4-3-3 best fits what we currently have available.
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4 at the back is more practical with Husband available. Still no RB though as Imray and Lyons can't defend and will get targeted.

I'd persist with 3 CB's with Husband the left sided one. Drop Bloxham and put maybe Upton in midfield- just someone who knows the position.

With players coming back, options broaden, but even then we are short of positionally aware players. Husband isn't the solution for LCB for example.
 
Unbelievable, keeps playing square pegs in round holes, CJ will never make a right wing back; Hanssen cannot tackle, does not seem able to beat a man, how is he better than Banks? But Evo keeps playing them ahead of Banks and Upton!

Needs to send Hanssen, Banks back, release CJ and Evans, but line up incoming loans to improve our squad!

January is going to be critical to us!
 
Insider said:
Just been listenning to a bit more of Evo post match with Amos Wynn. Obviously he says pretty much the same as in other interviews but I picked up what he says about Scott Banks not fitting into the system he wants to play.
My question for Evo is;
"Is it better whilst you are having to manage players you didnt recruit to play the players you have in the positions that best suits them rather than out of position in a system that bests suits you?"
Obviously over time he will presumably be able to recruit to suit his taste but we don't appear to have those players now, or is it that they're simply not good enough?
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If you have a system and want 3/4 of the players you want to keep in the squad who can fit into the system you like to play, why would you waste weeks or games not playing the system you want to because of one player?

That said, I’m not sure you’d ever pick Emil Hansson as the advanced or one of a midfield 3 over Scott Banks. System or not.

For the rest, we need to crack on now with how he wants to play and learn as we go.

We know but he’d have learnt a lot about some of the bluffers we’ve got in our squad.
 
The problem is we have so many wingers and wing backs, we don't have the players to play a 433 because we then need 2 proper full backs and we only have one, Hubby. The recruitment was an absolute joke this summer on top of more awful recruitment the few windows prior to that. He is seriously lacking the players he needs, Banks is a winger, end of, he can't defend, he can't play in midfield he hasn't got a tackle in him. I Ihekwei was a poor signing so we only really have Casy and Horsfall and if we want to play 3 at the back then I would have Hubby playing as my left sided defensive player and then have Imray as right wing back and Lyons as left wing back, we have far too many powder puff players and they need to go.
 
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I think Evo has demonstrated more than adequately again tonight that playing players out of position isn't a match winning formula.
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Awful goals conceded by players in their correct positions not being able to pass, tackle and defend was how I saw it.
You do not like Evatt insy any reason?
 
tangysider said:
Awful goals conceded by players in their correct positions not being able to pass, tackle and defend was how I saw it.
You do not like Evatt insy any reason?
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Yep, as Herts says we don't have the exact right players for anything, plusses and minuses for all ways.

Its largely coming down to players doing the basics rather than is he stood here or here.
 
Insider said:
Just been listenning to a bit more of Evo post match with Amos Wynn. Obviously he says pretty much the same as in other interviews but I picked up what he says about Scott Banks not fitting into the system he wants to play.
My question for Evo is;
"Is it better whilst you are having to manage players you didnt recruit to play the players you have in the positions that best suits them rather than out of position in a system that bests suits you?"
Obviously over time he will presumably be able to recruit to suit his taste but we don't appear to have those players now, or is it that they're simply not good enough?
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wow, what a great question, My first thought is there is no definite right answer. Certainly for me the two key areas are midfield and out wide. If his preferred choice is wing backs, then forgetting Imray for the moment then in Lyons and CJ, well Lyons is a poor defender and CJ is poor at defending and attacking. So what's the point in playing his preferred system when you haven't got the players good enough to play it. But then in midfield we are easily bypassed if he only plays two there.

So which way should he go at the moment. I don't know, but I certainly wouldn't have CJ in the team in any formation.
 
20togo said:
wow, what a great question, My first thought is there is no definite right answer. Certainly for me the two key areas are midfield and out wide. If his preferred choice is wing backs, then forgetting Imray for the moment then in Lyons and CJ, well Lyons is a poor defender and CJ is poor at defending and attacking. So what's the point in playing his preferred system when you haven't got the players good enough to play it. But then in midfield we are easily bypassed if he only plays two there.

So which way should he go at the moment. I don't know, but I certainly wouldn't have CJ in the team in any formation.
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I honestly think Evatt has CJ’s number & he’ll be moved on.
 
20togo said:
wow, what a great question, My first thought is there is no definite right answer. Certainly for me the two key areas are midfield and out wide. If his preferred choice is wing backs, then forgetting Imray for the moment then in Lyons and CJ, well Lyons is a poor defender and CJ is poor at defending and attacking. So what's the point in playing his preferred system when you haven't got the players good enough to play it. But then in midfield we are easily bypassed if he only plays two there.

So which way should he go at the moment. I don't know, but I certainly wouldn't have CJ in the team in any formation.
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IMO only Imray of the wing backs at the club has the ability to defend and attack to a reasonable standard. Lyons cannot defend; CJ isn't a footballer; Husband is too long in the tooth, whilst Coulson isn't a defender although Ashworth is. Until IE has who he wants, persisting with the wing backs at his disposal will get us nowhere. Who though of any decency would want to join us?
 
Just listenned to Evo post match. He clearly reads the messageboard (ha) and reacted to the criticism about the formation.
He claims we are flexible in the game moving from one formation to another.
I can understand there is a need to do that although looking back to Saturday and the difficulty that Ihiekwe was in that's not obvious.
Maybe we should just keep it simple for the time being.
 
The pile em high wingers approach to summer signings is coming back to haunt us. Yet to see a system which allows 4 wide players to play in their natural positions, unless you go to the time of Royal Engineers,
 
At our level, changing managers regularly creates many problems. The biggest, each one has their preferred formation and they recruit for it.

Trouble is, at our level, you can’t easily move these players on, when they don’t fit. You end up with a very unbalanced squad, of which many know the current manager doesn’t rate them. That leads to division and unrest, which has been evident at Pool for more than 3 seasons.

It’s a simple game often over-complicated by ‘coaches’ trying to be unique. In our position you stick to the basics - we cannot afford to experiment at present.

First though, we need players to give everything for the club, which sadly isn’t happening. The lad gets too much stick, and it’s time for CJ to move on. However, whatever you think of his technical ability, he’s always tried hard and adapted when asked. Contrast that, to players at the club who cannot be arsed and who have an arrogant belief that they are better than anyone else.

The responsibility for this recurring nightmare rests with those in the boardroom. Simon has been badly served & wrongly advised, but then he’s very much his own man. He now needs to develop a long-term plan, under Evo, which if necessary includes paying up some contracts. Yes it costs, but it’ll cost us a lot more if we don’t and the impact will be long-lasting. Telling certain players to clear their lockers would be a good start in January.

I didn’t want Evo, I wasn’t certain it would work, and I’m still not convinced. However, he has our support, as long as he gets our players to give 100% every game. If they do we’ll take 5th bottom and look forward. Sadly, a number are weak and lazy and it’s very obvious to pick them out.

We’ve had far worse squads in terms of individual ability, but we’ve always got behind a team that plays for the shirt. For the past 3 seasons we’ve had to endure half-arsed performances from players who think they are better than Blackpool FC. That has to change and Evo knows all too well what a united squad can achieve, when tactics are kept simple.

Time for Simon and Evo to have a sit down to identify the deadwood, get rid and then focus on recruitment of good traditional players with the ability and passion to take us forward. Evo will not be able to do this, if he’s saddled with the deadwood he’s inherited.
 
Insider said:
Just been listenning to a bit more of Evo post match with Amos Wynn. Obviously he says pretty much the same as in other interviews but I picked up what he says about Scott Banks not fitting into the system he wants to play.
My question for Evo is;
"Is it better whilst you are having to manage players you didnt recruit to play the players you have in the positions that best suits them rather than out of position in a system that bests suits you?"
Obviously over time he will presumably be able to recruit to suit his taste but we don't appear to have those players now, or is it that they're simply not good enough?
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You play to your strengths and if that doesn’t fit in with your system so be it .. IMHO!
 
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