All stock investors out there......

Think you've answered your own question here - "it's free money that I've never had". I've had sharesaves in the past and treat them as a personal bonus! If I need a bit of work doing on the house or for them to contribute to a holiday I cash them in....personally don't worry too much about the price...if that was the case I'd never cash them in!!😀
Great advice, many thanks.
 
FTSE 100 on 01/02/21 was 6,516
After today’s 2% loss, it’s 6,519

Thing is Tangerine, that is not the whole story is it?

The FTSE 100 closed today around 6,483.

What you fail to mention is that this level was first hit in Nov/Dec 1999, in fact the FTSE closed on Dec 10th 1999 at 6739.50, which is higher than today.

Therefore, anyone who has been long on the FTSE for about 20 years has had ZERO return, and major financial loss due to inflation - as already mentioned.
 
I haven’t ever solely backed the FTSE. However there are points at which it (and other stocks) look particularly low. Take March last year - 17 March, it was 5,080. That’s a 28% increase since the start of the pandemic hit on markets and I’m expecting it to recover to pre Covid levels by Summer this year. It might even be overvalued before long, because there’s Brexit to factor in. I do feel there will be a quick positive reaction as we emerge out the other side of this crisis.
 
I haven’t ever solely backed the FTSE. However there are points at which it (and other stocks) look particularly low. Take March last year - 17 March, it was 5,080. That’s a 28% increase since the start of the pandemic hit on markets and I’m expecting it to recover to pre Covid levels by Summer this year. It might even be overvalued before long, because there’s Brexit to factor in. I do feel there will be a quick positive reaction as we emerge out the other side of this crisis.
That’s not the point though.

You quoted one month change in the FTSE.

By looking back we can see it’s been shite over TWENTY years.
 
Who leaves stocks untouched for 20 years?
Certainly not a good idea.
Buy low. Sell high.
That kind of thing. But keep an eye on the market and market factors all the time.
 
I reckon the best time to sell will be around July/August. Imo. Although I have a few I’ll be selling soon, just based on profit made already
 
I reckon the best time to sell will be around July/August. Imo. Although I have a few I’ll be selling soon, just based on profit made already
The problem I was trying to show with your original comment, was about one month in the markets, and that the opinion you showed could easily apply between 1999 and now.

I have no idea when the right time to sell or buy is - but please look at the longer term historical - than just a few weeks 👍
 
Thing is Tangerine, that is not the whole story is it?

The FTSE 100 closed today around 6,483.

What you fail to mention is that this level was first hit in Nov/Dec 1999, in fact the FTSE closed on Dec 10th 1999 at 6739.50, which is higher than today.

Therefore, anyone who has been long on the FTSE for about 20 years has had ZERO return, and major financial loss due to inflation - as already mentioned.
Seasideone you are not taking into account dividends which can give an excellent rate of return.
 
Seasideone you are not taking into account dividends which can give an excellent rate of return.
Granted - I am looking at from a growth perspective.

I don’t have the details on dividends over that period - do you? (Genuine question).

....but the point is the growth in the FTSE has been APPALLING!!!!!

Many of the the other markets obviously pay dividends as well and have out performed the FTSE for growth massively to.

No growth in 20yrs is SHOCKING!!!!
 
Pensions and stock market investments should be regarded as a long term rather than a short term business. Both in the build up of my original pension fund and in the investment of subsequent lump sums I have always used profesional advisors once I have agreed the balance of risks with them to get the right blend of investments and buy / sell decisions in terms stocks (in different markets), property, bonds, gilts, premium bonds, cash etc. They have never let me down and I have both a healthy annual pension and modest investment growth (which increases further when markets are bullish). Chasing quick returns usually means taking more risks .
 
I mentioned on a recent thread that I was going to short Tesla when the right opportunity arrived. They were way overvalued and a bubble waiting to happen like the dot.com craze in 99/00. It was March 2000 when reality kicked in with internet shares.
I shorted Tesla a couple weeks back at 880 and now just over 700.

There will be a correction on the American markets however U.K. didn’t go crazy due to uncertainty of Brexit. Therefore will be a softer landing for U.K. shares.
My above quote from February 25th. We could be in for a repeat of March 2000 when the internet/ tech craze bubble burst.

Tesla is now at 600. I knew the bubble would burst on this over hyped share.
If they drop to 400 then it may be time to go long.
 
This is my opinion and not financial advice....

A global correction in the markets has started and will continue for a while.

I have liquidated most my positions and am now 95% cash.

If I am right I will dive in when it’s happened.

Good luck whatever you do 👍
Thats a dangerous statement to make. The drop in the tech sector is purely based on inflation worries, growth stocks fare much worse in times of inflation. If you are concerned speak to a stockbroker.
 
Thats a dangerous statement to make. The drop in the tech sector is purely based on inflation worries, growth stocks fare much worse in times of inflation. If you are concerned speak to a stockbroker.
I make better returns than most stock brokers and financial advisors I have ever met.

Obviously growth stocks fair worse with inflation, but one tends to find these things spread.
 
Surely one has also to consider the long term affect of the Covid situation.
In the USA the markets have ignored it as the markets recently hit record highs.
Yet now over 500000 dead in USA and rising plus millions furloughed or unemployed.
 
If this isn’t ‘it’ then it feels like it is coming at some point this year?
Inflation one of the big worries.
This might just be a switch out of stocks that have done well in the pandemic back into those that are likely to fare well in any rebound?
 
I think the (global) stock market's main concern is rising bond yields (or in other words rising long-term interest rates). And the key thing to think about here for stocks is what is triggering higher bond yields...

...If you think it is higher growth expectations (like I do) then ultimately this will be positive for company profits and by definition stock prices. Think about a simple analogy of a shop that is closed (because of lockdown). During this time its sales are zero pounds. When lockdown ends the shop reopens and it's going to start selling stuff again. So economic growth must by definition turn sharply positive post lockdown. In this scenario, this choppy period for stocks is likely to be no more than a blip and the upward momentum should return.

...If on the other hand you believe bond yields are rising because inflation is going to become a problem and interest rates will have to rise aggressively to control it and in doing so kill any recovery, then the problem could become a much bigger one for stocks. I don't see this one happening. Even if rates of inflation rise, higher unemployment rates, job uncertainty and the lack of pay bargaining power mean it is unlikely to not feed into high wage growth. So 'real' spending power falls and inflation rates start to subside.

There is one inflation related risk specific to the UK if policymakers here carry on following the same strategy as Zimbabwe (printing money). They are playing with fire a bit on this one because the UK is now (post Brexit) more exposed in financial market terms and if they lose the confidence of international investors then the currency should come under huge pressure. Policy makers would lose control of interest rate which would have to rise sharply to defend the currency. Given the huge debt burden and exposure to sky high property prices, this scenario is perhaps the biggest one to fear for the UK...
 
If this isn’t ‘it’ then it feels like it is coming at some point this year?
Inflation one of the big worries.
This might just be a switch out of stocks that have done well in the pandemic back into those that are likely to fare well in any rebound?
It’s called recovery.
M and G recovery fund has performed like euro fighter tragectory fro m take off.
Been like that for last 40 years.

leisure oil bio pharma
 
Rumour deal struck to
Mine lithium in Zimbabwe,due to be announced next week,hopefully rise next week to announcement,70% up today
 
OK mate.

30% up in the last month.
362% up in 6 months.
438% up over 12 months.
11535% up over 5 years.

Completely stupid.
Yep buy Bitcoin ... Etherium, ADA, Chain Polka ... You'll not lose in my opinion over the next few months & years ... Up to the individual but there's plenty piling in with good money sill to be made .... I was buying Bitcoin at £7k it's worth about £39K today - I turned down a police seizure of 10 for £12k each in November last year ... Gutted
 
Just buy Bitcoin.
Hard to argue with this providing you keep an eye on it.
It's staggering the amount mine has increased since I got involved.

It might not ever make me a millionaire due to the price now, but it certainly continues to grow at a far higher rate than having money in a savings account would.
 
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