All stock investors out there......

Atletico_Seasider said:
One notable stat is that the FTSE 100 is still below the level it was at in 1999. And for the financial geeks out there, in real terms (adjusting for inflation), it is at least 50% lower...
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I think that is a poor comparison as the FTSE peaked in late 1999 around 6800 due to the tech bubble.
It was averaging around 4500 until the internet craze ( which was short lived) when it burst in March 2000.
It fell back to 3100 a year later. Anyone who invested in the FTSE with regular instalments will have at least doubled their money. Dividends will also add to investment too.
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
Hard to argue with this providing you keep an eye on it.
It's staggering the amount mine has increased since I got involved.

It might not ever make me a millionaire due to the price now, but it certainly continues to grow at a far higher rate than having money in a savings account would.
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$200k by the end of 2021.
 
GrahamwantshisOates said:
I think that is a poor comparison as the FTSE peaked in late 1999 around 6800 due to the tech bubble.
It was averaging around 4500 until the internet craze ( which was short lived) when it burst in March 2000.
It fell back to 3100 a year later. Anyone who invested in the FTSE with regular instalments will have at least doubled their money. Dividends will also add to investment too.
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The thing is GWHO, it doesn't get away from the fact that it has been an awful performer over quite a long time now. You quite rightly pointed out that back in late 1999/early 2000 the market was inflated because of the tech bubble. But what is interesting is that if you look at the performance of the Nasdaq (the technology focused index) since then you find that this market has gone up by around 200% from its tech bubble high. Adjusted for dividend payments the gap would not be as big but still very significant. Also, note that the FTSE 100 almost got back to its tech bubble high in 2007 (pre-financial crisis) so other factors must be at work. I would say the almost complete absence of (new economy) tech stocks has been a key drag as has its over-exposure to old economy stocks, in particular the financials which of course got slaughtered in 2008 and have never fully recovered. It has basically been stuck in a wide trading range for the last 20+ years. Having said all of this, it may well now be due a period of out performance as value stocks come back into vogue, at least over the short term...
 
Atletico_Seasider said:
The thing is GWHO, it doesn't get away from the fact that it has been an awful performer over quite a long time now. You quite rightly pointed out that back in late 1999/early 2000 the market was inflated because of the tech bubble. But what is interesting is that if you look at the performance of the Nasdaq (the technology focused index) since then you find that this market has gone up by around 200% from its tech bubble high. Adjusted for dividend payments the gap would not be as big but still very significant. Also, note that the FTSE 100 almost got back to its tech bubble high in 2007 (pre-financial crisis) so other factors must be at work. I would say the almost complete absence of (new economy) tech stocks has been a key drag as has its over-exposure to old economy stocks, in particular the financials which of course got slaughtered in 2008 and have never fully recovered. It has basically been stuck in a wide trading range for the last 20+ years. Having said all of this, it may well now be due a period of out performance as value stocks come back into vogue, at least over the short term...
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I clearly remember when the FTSE peaked in late 1999. Companies that had no right to be included were introduced into the FTSE 100 due to the high frenzy of speculative buyers.
Baltimore technology, Cambridge antibodies, 365 corporation and Telewest communications just to name a few. These companies had little value but the internet craze could not stop the shares rising and rising. Even boring BT soared. When last minute.com was floated it was valued higher than Thomson travel even though it was no bigger than an upstairs Office on Queen Street ( Blackpool) with a catchy name.
Of course the bubble burst and companies went bust and never heard of again.

The Nasdaq is doing it again albeit with companies that are established. Tesla motors is now higher than the likes of Volkswagon and other big names combined even though sales are less than 1%. They do have a future but are massively overvalued due to speculation.
I shorted the stock at 880 and now trading below 700.

The FTSE is well down on the USA due to Brexit uncertainty however there will be a correction with Wall Street .
There is no doubt that the stock market is driven by greed and fear.
 
Sold up early on Monday. Most of my portfolio, except for the few worst performers - I’m going to let them ride.

As it happens, Freedom Day turned into Freefall Day. On a day when stocks were expected to rise sharply, the opposite happened. Markets are especially nervous over this Delta variant. I’m also nervous about the South African variant evading the AZ vaccine response, or the next significant variant we allow unchecked through our sieve-like borders. Global markets are equally twitchy - so it’s not just the London Stock Exchange.
This could be the start of the downtown the experts have been warning us about.
Covid cases will inevitably go through the roof over the next 2 weeks and the country won’t be able to function under the current rules. Inflation is rising. The feel good factor of early 2021 has evaporated. The markets were massively overpriced anyway, based on little more than hope and expectations of recovery. Now that hope is being replaced with realism, we could be looking at a longish bear market and most of the gains of the last 18 months lost. Add Brexit uncertainties, the imminent end of furlough / redundancies, into the mix.
Too much of a risk imo. I’m getting off this particular train.
 
Does anyone use Nutmeg or similar apps? I've got money in a Smart Alpha managed by J.P Morgan. I had a 5% return from May to now, but yesterday it's dropped down to 2.7%. It's on 4/5 risk setting so I'm considering dropping that down until things get a bit more stable.
 
I’ve got about 12% of my pot actively invested at the moment, the rest is waiting for the inevitable.

….and even that has taken a fairly big hit over the last few weeks.
 
I have always regarded stock and other investments as a longer term project and not been too concerned about short term fluctations as I have a very mixed portfolio to spread risks. Even after allowing for some management and transactions fees I have had a net return of 16% compared with the couple of months before Covid hit. And they are continuing to grow. I split my fund between my wife and me to maximise the use of ISA investment accounts and to avoid or minimise any tax implications
 
bfcpete said:
I have always regarded stock and other investments as a longer term project and not been too concerned about short term fluctations as I have a very mixed portfolio to spread risks. Even after allowing for some management and transactions fees I have had a net return of 16% compared with the couple of months before Covid hit. And they are continuing to grow. I split my fund between my wife and me to maximise the use of ISA investment accounts and to avoid or minimise any tax implications
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Where is your money invested?
 
seasideone said:
This is my opinion and not financial advice....

A global correction in the markets has started and will continue for a while.

I have liquidated most my positions and am now 95% cash.

If I am right I will dive in when it’s happened.

Good luck whatever you do 👍
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Blackpool Jane is your woman - I will be tuned into Lee CTV even more now as they cover every societal issue !
 
seasideone said:
Where is your money invested?
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A very wide range multi-asset portfolio including equity, commodity, alternatives, property and some very limited fixed interest / bonds. Wide geographical spread - UK, Europe, North America, Asia Pacific, Japan, Emerging Margets and Global. Use Close Brothers Asset Management for some (and to manage / avoid captal gains tax) and also invest and manage some directly myself.
 
My pot's risen c20% since pre-Covid and c50% since end of March. I'm in it for another 5-7 years before needing to make any changes to my risk profile so I intend to ride things out and keep buying on a monthly basis. Keeping my investments spread across a mixture of passive/active funds and assets in all worldwide sectors.

Respectfully Camberwell I'll continue to use my experience and professional services for my financial decisions than LCTV!
 
Always advise potential investors to buy a monthly affordable amount into a reputable ( shares) ISA.
Lots of choices out there.
You need to hold on for around 5 years plus though.

I will be buying monthly amounts into Bitcoin.

I also have an account ( spread betting)which I short shares which will come in handy on a massive correction.

The biggest mistake is to chase stocks and Cryptocurrency when the hype if high. You receive lots of emails and even cold callers. Ignore and keep your cool.
 
Might be worth a nibble on Amigo, AMGO.L

Reckon they might fly very soon. Bought a while ago at 17p. I’d be glad to recover my original investment. These shares have a history of super fast moves up/down. Obviously do your own research 😬🧐
 
Back of the drawer is the best bet so the kids can hopefully have a few bob when it's "turn your toes up" time.
 
I started work at a stockbrokers in August 1987, and from memory the FTSE and Dow Jones were both around the 2,500 mark,. The FTSE is now 7,000 and the Dow is now 35,000. Is the FTSE undervalued against the Dow?
 
seasideone said:
There is no doubt the FTSE is showing value, and hopefully now BREXIT is sorted and COVID maybe - it will benefit massively.

Think we are in for a bumpy ride though for the next few weeks with the markets.
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Brexit is sorted...

OK.
 
Wish I’d liquidated back in Feb and took your lead S1

im 25% down on the year after being 83% up last year.
Still expect Vela and Copl to multi bag in the next 6 months but placings and warrants have battered me elsewhere in small caps
 
tangerine_neil said:
Hurricane Energy, HUR.L another with a potential to fly very soon. Purely imo 😬
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Smaller oil companies/ exploration are very speculative.
I did make a chunk of profit on this company however it was tipped for big things and I bought back in at 60p.
Yesterday it was trading at 2p!
Just noticed is now 3p or over 30% up on the day.
 
Chunkylad said:
Wish I’d liquidated back in Feb and took your lead S1

im 25% down on the year after being 83% up last year.
Still expect Vela and Copl to multi bag in the next 6 months but placings and warrants have battered me elsewhere in small caps
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I did dabble again on some pretty big bets, got my fingers singed!

I am still very heavily involved with RR, IAG, BA (Boeing) and Credit Suisse.

I just cannot see the Airline stocks staying where they are forever, RR are profitable again, IAG will survive and BA have a massive military division which is doing very well - and I expect someone to try and take over BT (or OpenReach) in the next year or so. My plan is to sit and hold these until I make decent money or lose the lot - however long that takes 😂

Credit Suisse have had a traumatic year but should return to good.

I also have a fair bit in ARKK and their other funds, but my god they are volatile after massive growth (over 100% last year).

Still about 90% Cash though, and done alright selling options over the last 12 months.

It's much easier when the World isn't screwed over by Covid and when the markets think the FED will buy forever!
 
gjr69 said:
That's probably the best way to look at it! If I made millions I would probably live the same life but in a bigger house, in a warmer country, with a better car!! But the Mrs would be the same!
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and you'd have to travel back to watch the mighty
 
It looks like we are on course for a winter of discontent...
* stagflation
* energy crisis
* empty supermarket shelves
* employment shortages and a rise in strike action
* pensioners not being paid
...but don't worry, it has nothing to do with Brexit 😂😂😂 And I'm sure Blo Jo and his all star cast of dimwits will eventually sort it all out, they have just been too busy buying union jacks and pushing through the switch back to imperial measurements 🤣🤣🤣
 
Atletico_Seasider said:
It looks like we are on course for a winter of discontent...
* stagflation
* energy crisis
* empty supermarket shelves
* employment shortages and a rise in strike action
* pensioners not being paid
...but don't worry, it has nothing to do with Brexit 😂😂😂 And I'm sure Blo Jo and his all star cast of dimwits will eventually sort it all out, they have just been too busy buying union jacks and pushing through the switch back to imperial measurements 🤣🤣🤣
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Yes but as long as Seasideone is enjoying his markets then that's all that matters. Ordinary people earning wages? That's so last year. Give me Wall Street, Nasdaq, the FTSE 100, that's where life should be lead. In the fast lane, making a killing, not giving a toss for real lives.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Yes but as long as Seasideone is enjoying his markets then that's all that matters. Ordinary people earning wages? That's so last year. Give me Wall Street, Nasdaq, the FTSE 100, that's where life should be lead. In the fast lane, making a killing, not giving a toss for real lives.
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Eh???
 
seasideone said:
There is no doubt the FTSE is showing value, and hopefully now BREXIT is sorted and COVID maybe - it will benefit massively.

Think we are in for a bumpy ride though for the next few weeks with the markets.
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$SPY never ceases to amaze. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the dip before the rally. People have been calling for a crash all year and $SPY has continued to make all time highs. When everyone expects one thing, the market always seems to do something else. The US markets are all one big pump and dump. Manipulated by market makers and no company trades at fair value these days. I read a few months ago $AMZN P/E earning ratio was x130...!!!
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Evergrande seems to have been the catalyst

It owes a ridiculous amount - $300bn
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More than Derby 😂

Think people are underestimating just how catastrophic this is. Property sector is 27pc of China GDP. Literally the only investment most people can access. Millions more flats than there are households. People with mortgages on multiple properties that are higher than their salaries, funded by borrowing against ‘ever-rising’ prices. Not even rented out because ‘lived-in’ homes lose value.
 
Now 66 has admitted he is a grumpy sod we can continue with our thread in our capitalist society.

….it’s been a bit easier today and glad yesterday I did very little 👍
 
Scaramanga said:
I jumped on this quite a while back. Big mistake. I won’t hold my breath.
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About to go big time this stock, imo. Everything looks ready. No reason for it still to be held at 3p. If Brent continues to rise above $76 per barrel (or even hold at that level), the bonds are well on their way to being paid off. This looks and feels like it’s massively undervalued. 30p within 6 months, imo, but obviously DYOR.

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tangerine_neil said:
About to go big time this stock, imo. Everything looks ready. No reason for it still to be held at 3p. If Brent continues to rise above $76 per barrel (or even hold at that level), the bonds are well on their way to being paid off. This looks and feels like it’s massively undervalued. 30p within 6 months, imo, but obviously DYOR.

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Ok as I am at a loss with this share I will buy more today and hopefully average out.

Edit. Just bought 30000 around a grand.
Surely better than the horse racing tips on here!
 
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