Another dangerous immigrant released from Prison in error

This is getting beyond ridiculous, as if we don’t have enough issues with the dangerous people on the outside already.
This time it’s a dangerous Algerian released by mistake from HMP Wandsworth!!! Heads need to roll , start with Lammy.
Jesus H Christ.

You have to start with sacking Lammy he’s totally incompetent

And some people think things are getting better.
 
Jesus H Christ.

You have to start with sacking Lammy he’s totally incompetent

And some people think things are getting better.
TBF, I don't think Lammy personally supervises prisoner release, and he's only been in the job for a month or so, in this case the fault may lie elsewhere.

This doesn't mean that he isn't totally incompetent, it's just he hasn't had time to f*** up properly yet.
 
This is getting beyond ridiculous, as if we don’t have enough issues with the dangerous people on the outside already.
This time it’s a dangerous Algerian released by mistake from HMP Wandsworth!!! Heads need to roll , start with Lammy.
Perhaps taxes need to be raised in order to ensure proper staffing of prisons whilst capital budgets can be increased to build new ones.

You lot may scoff at the currently incumbent Ministers but when it comes down to the need for more and better targeted funding none of you are prepared to put your hands in your pockets.
 
TBF, I don't think Lammy personally supervises prisoner release, and he's only been in the job for a month or so, in this case the fault may lie elsewhere.

This doesn't mean that he isn't totally incompetent, it's just he hasn't had time to f*** up properly yet.
Oh he’s incompetent alright.

He’s been chancellor and Secretary of State for justice since 5th September 2025 and in that short time we’ve had 2 prisoners released by mistake coincidence?

Let’s not forget this is the guy that went fishing not knowing he needed a fishing licence FFS a government minister and deputy leader of the Labour Party.

Was he ever charged by the environment agency? That all went very quiet didn't it.
 
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Perhaps taxes need to be raised in order to ensure proper staffing of prisons whilst capital budgets can be increased to build new ones.

You lot may scoff at the currently incumbent Ministers but when it comes down to the need for more and better targeted funding none of you are prepared to put your hands in your pockets.
So it ever was, everyone wants A1 service but no one wants to pay their share.
 
Oops and another , not an immigrant this time but still a scum bag , only got sentenced to four years on Monday 😂
Can you imagine the left uproar if this had been under the watch of conservatives??
 
Perhaps taxes need to be raised in order to ensure proper staffing of prisons whilst capital budgets can be increased to build new ones.

You lot may scoff at the currently incumbent Ministers but when it comes down to the need for more and better targeted funding none of you are prepared to put your hands in your pockets.
No argument taxes need to go up. But it is also required the money raised is spent correctly and not squandered on things like HS2 and keeping illegal immigrants in hotels.
 
A terrifying insight into the asylum system: ‘I think it is inevitable a man I grant asylum to will rape or murder a young girl’

“To be honest with you, I think it’s inevitable that one day I will turn on the TV news and there will be some man I have granted asylum to and he will have raped or murdered a young girl just like my girls.”

Nicky, whose name I have changed to protect her identity, is an experienced caseworker in the UK’s asylum system, which she describes variously to me during a long interview as “unsustainable”, “laughable if it wasn’t so dangerous”, and a “crazy carousel” in which tens of thousands of applicants (“We have to call them ‘customers’ now, can you believe it?”) use every trick in the book to remain in this country.



Essentially, in a rush to bring down the backlog, cases are being handed to novice caseworkers who've no idea what they're doing, who rubber stamp the cases to meet targets (it taking far longer to reject than approve), and the migrants claims get resubmitted under different grounds repeatedly, stringing the process out over 7 - 10 years until they finally disappear into the underworld when all other options are exhausted.

Truly terrifying.
 
A terrifying insight into the asylum system: ‘I think it is inevitable a man I grant asylum to will rape or murder a young girl’

“To be honest with you, I think it’s inevitable that one day I will turn on the TV news and there will be some man I have granted asylum to and he will have raped or murdered a young girl just like my girls.”

Nicky, whose name I have changed to protect her identity, is an experienced caseworker in the UK’s asylum system, which she describes variously to me during a long interview as “unsustainable”, “laughable if it wasn’t so dangerous”, and a “crazy carousel” in which tens of thousands of applicants (“We have to call them ‘customers’ now, can you believe it?”) use every trick in the book to remain in this country.



Essentially, in a rush to bring down the backlog, cases are being handed to novice caseworkers who've no idea what they're doing, who rubber stamp the cases to meet targets (it taking far longer to reject than approve), and the migrants claims get resubmitted under different grounds repeatedly, stringing the process out over 7 - 10 years until they finally disappear into the underworld when all other options are exhausted.

Truly terrifying.
Anyone would think the system had been deliberately underfunded, understaffed and undertrained to create a backlog so donors could make billions in contracts for the likes of Bibby Stockholm and various hotel chains, confecting the current crisis, which, by the way, is getting better, although that's not the news some want to hear or accept.
 
Beyond a joke now one is inexcusable but 3 FFS.

Heads need to Role the Warden of Wandsworth prison and Lammy for starters.
 
Oh he’s incompetent alright.

He’s been chancellor and Secretary of State for justice since 5th September 2025 and in that short time we’ve had 2 prisoners released by mistake coincidence?

Let’s not forget this is the guy that went fishing not knowing he needed a fishing licence FFS a government minister and deputy leader of the Labour Party.

Was he ever charged by the environment agency? That all went very quiet didn't it.
The Tories released hundreds of them as you damn well know but hey anything to make a point. Prisons are overwhelmed and no doubt you'll scream blue murder when taxes are put up to deal with things like this.
 
Anyone would think the system had been deliberately underfunded, understaffed and undertrained to create a backlog so donors could make billions in contracts for the likes of Bibby Stockholm and various hotel chains, confecting the current crisis, which, by the way, is getting better, although that's not the news some want to hear or accept.
ah right, so it's the polices fault for not dealing with the criminal gangs of asylum seekers pretty much running amok up and down the country, but it's not the prisons fault for incorrectly releasing another dangerous immigrant to roam our streets.
 
Anyone would think the system had been deliberately underfunded, understaffed and undertrained to create a backlog so donors could make billions in contracts for the likes of Bibby Stockholm and various hotel chains, confecting the current crisis, which, by the way, is getting better, although that's not the news some want to hear or accept.
If you want to believe that particular corrupt conspiracy fantasy, you'll also have to believe that Sunak, and the rest of the previous government, were happy to set fire to their political careers so that Civil Servants could shovel money into the pockets of various contractors, none of which would be of any benefit to the ministers you apparently think were involved in the decision.

A simpler explanation would be a huge and unprecedented surge in illegal migration as a result of migration being used as a weapon of war by Russia and others.
 
Far be it for me to defend the Tories, but there's been a 128% increase of false releases in the last year.
Far be it for me to defend Labour but sentencing has become so complicated overwhelmed prisons can't cope. Those released have been on short sentences in the main and could be serving 30/40/50% of their tariff it is rarely clear. Those released have always been relatively minor offenders unless you enjoy screaming hysteria.
 
The Tories released hundreds of them as you damn well know but hey anything to make a point. Prisons are overwhelmed and no doubt you'll scream blue murder when taxes are put up to deal with things like this.
Someone beat me to it already post 19.

128% increase in the last 12 months alone.

You can’t blame that on the Tories.

Starmer needs to sack this man off.
 

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If you want to believe that particular corrupt conspiracy fantasy, you'll also have to believe that Sunak, and the rest of the previous government, were happy to set fire to their political careers so that Civil Servants could shovel money into the pockets of various contractors, none of which would be of any benefit to the ministers you apparently think were involved in the decision.

A simpler explanation would be a huge and unprecedented surge in illegal migration as a result of migration being used as a weapon of war by Russia and others.
Yes, I'm happy to believe it. What's Sunak doing now?

Surge in illegal migration caused by the scrapping of the Dublin Agreement as a consequence of Brexit, as you know.
 
TBF, I don't think Lammy personally supervises prisoner release, and he's only been in the job for a month or so, in this case the fault may lie elsewhere.

This doesn't mean that he isn't totally incompetent, it's just he hasn't had time to f*** up properly yet.
He’s made a really cracking start though, hasn’t he?
 
Far be it for me to defend Labour but sentencing has become so complicated overwhelmed prisons can't cope. Those released have been on short sentences in the main and could be serving 30/40/50% of their tariff it is rarely clear. Those released have always been relatively minor offenders unless you enjoy screaming hysteria.
A 45 month sentence for fraud and released on the same day he was sentenced? By crikey that is one hell of a lump of remission, don’t you think?
 
A 45 month sentence for fraud and released on the same day he was sentenced? By crikey that is one hell of a lump of remission, don’t you think?
He said sorry so the remission seems fair. I hope the poor sod had somewhere to go he must have been mystified by events. Most a still minor offenders on short sentences though.
 
Someone beat me to it already post 19.

128% increase in the last 12 months alone.

You can’t blame that on the Tories.

Starmer needs to sack this man off.
As I already explained there's been so much chopping and changing on early releases the system has collapsed. The left hand clearly doesn't know what the right is doing but here we are. We got here by Tory austerity and incompetence and everybody knows that. The emergency measures required to stop the CJS collapsing were done in panic mode I'll grant you that.
 
He said sorry so the remission seems fair. I hope the poor sod had somewhere to go he must have been mystified by events. Most a still minor offenders on short sentences though.
I am not looking for an argument bill, but it all depends on what you call minor offenders. The offence must have been serious enough to warrant a prison sentence, so probably isn’t that minor. If you’re the victim of any offence it doesn’t seem minor to you. I did appreciate your little joke at the top of your post by the way.
 
I am not looking for an argument bill, but it all depends on what you call minor offenders. The offence must have been serious enough to warrant a prison sentence, so probably isn’t that minor. If you’re the victim of any offence it doesn’t seem minor to you. I did appreciate your little joke at the top of your post by the way.
The fraud offender was released due to a clerical error by the court who recorded his sentence as suspended. The other was a flasher who didn't follow a court order and will be deported. It's a sh*tshow but apparently we can't afford to fix it or the Bond Monster will get cross and eat us all. FWIW a minor crime is a sentence of less than 4 years and a petty crime less than a year so I'm told.
 
The fraud offender was released due to a clerical error by the court who recorded his sentence as suspended. The other was a flasher who didn't follow a court order and will be deported. It's a sh*tshow but apparently we can't afford to fix it or the Bond Monster will get cross and eat us all. FWIW a minor crime is a sentence of less than 4 years and a petty crime less than a year so I'm told.
As I wrote in an earlier post, we’re going to hell in a handcart. Either leaving the ECHR or a major overhaul of same won’t cure our myriad of problems, but it would be a good start.
 
How is it a ministers fault a few prisoners escape? Is he personally guarding them?

Or is it a balls up by prison staff who are more than likely completely overwhelmed by numbers, understaffed and grossly under resourced?

Since 2006 the Tories promised to build new prisons and delivered not a single one. We are now seeing the fall out and Labour haven't got a pot to piss in.

So we need to significantly raise taxes to pay for it, amongst the plethora of other things.
 
TBF, I don't think Lammy personally supervises prisoner release, and he's only been in the job for a month or so, in this case the fault may lie elsewhere.

This doesn't mean that he isn't totally incompetent, it's just he hasn't had time to f*** up properly yet.
He had previously produced a prisons repot on BME prisoners which set equalities in prisons back years.
In over 30yrs he was the worst one of the lot, and boy have I had some whoppers- Gove, Rory Stewart amongst others..
 
How is it a ministers fault a few prisoners escape? Is he personally guarding them?

Or is it a balls up by prison staff who are more than likely completely overwhelmed by numbers, understaffed and grossly under resourced?

Since 2006 the Tories promised to build new prisons and delivered not a single one. We are now seeing the fall out and Labour haven't got a pot to piss in.

So we need to significantly raise taxes to pay for it, amongst the plethora of other things.
Simply not true.
Since 2006 and before this Govt took up place there were prisons built.

Berwyn - largest prison intbhe service
Thameside
Five Wells
Fosse Way

and thats just those I can remember
 
A 45 month sentence for fraud and released on the same day he was sentenced? By crikey that is one hell of a lump of remission, don’t you think?
As I posted previously under recent sentencing laws foreign national prisoners up for deporting can be made ready before their release date.
45mths = him serving 15mths, he may have already spent this time on remand prior to sentencing.
 
As I posted previously under recent sentencing laws foreign national prisoners up for deporting can be made ready before their release date.
45mths = him serving 15mths, he may have already spent this time on remand prior to sentencing.
The 45 month chap was English. The mistake this time was at the court. Some half wit put on the court computer his sentence was suspended. They must have thought that meant either hang him or let him go and they chose the latter.
 
Beyond a joke now one is inexcusable but 3 FFS.

Heads need to Role the Warden of Wandsworth prison and Lammy for starters.
That's right take the Governor out of Wandsworth for starters...🙈
Don't worry Lammy's recent tightening of the checks means the poor sod as Duty Governor will be put out to dry.
The same Duty Gov who is managing the daily operating of a crumbling violent almost 200yr old London jail where staff recruitment has delivered
people to them as 'officers' whose first language isn't English and it doesn't matter as they can't speak it anyway..

Wanno used to be the flagship of the fleet in the early 90s.
I've seen so called hard men cry on tbe bus when they realised thats where they were going.

Decades of budget cuts, unrealistic targets to achieve and parliamentary oversight have killed HMP.
If the NHS had gone through just some of the hoops HMPS has had to there would have been public outcry.
As it is people dont want criminals in society, they want them out of sight, out of mind and as such HMPS has been an easy target for ££ grabbing.
I couldn't think of another dept in any other public services that gets told - your budgets cut by 23% starting next month...

You pay peanuts you get monkeys.
 
As I wrote in an earlier post, we’re going to hell in a handcart. Either leaving the ECHR or a major overhaul of same won’t cure our myriad of problems, but it would be a good start.
What has the ECHR got to do with UK sentencing policy?
What has the UK got to do with clerical errors?
Sounds like a load of chicken nuggets.
 
The justice minister again quoting incorrect figures.
Available operating capacity actually increased by over 2% not "only" the 500 places she claimed under the last Govt.
Mistake the Tories made was as they brought new prisons and additional capacity on line they closed older, or expensive to run prisons - Canterbury, Holloway, Lancaster Castle, Glen Pava to name but a few.
As for the Union Chair for Prison Officers 🤬 there's a bloke trying to make a full time career in politics.
The last time he was on a landing was when his plane flew back from his holidays.....
 
Pressure increasing on David Lammy to walk PMQ’s should be fun today.

My only worry is will the country survive if he does the honourable thing and go?

I see he’s even inherited a new nick name Calamity Lammy.
 
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Lammy clearly lost his cool in PMQs yesterday. The sensible thing would have been to make a statement at the beginning, rather than looking like he was deliberately keeping things quiet.

And, today Chief Constables are saying that the proposed changes to sentencing guidelines will lead to soft justice, with the release multiple offenders and an expected surge in crime. 😒
 
Apparently, the Speaker asked Lammy to come back to Parliament to make a statement, but he refused to do so.
And, this morning, they put up a very junior justice minister on GMB to answer questions rather than Lammy. Lammy doesn't like any personal criticism or to be accountable.
 
Apparently, the Speaker asked Lammy to come back to Parliament to make a statement, but he refused to do so.
And, this morning, they put up a very junior justice minister on GMB to answer questions rather than Lammy. Lammy doesn't like any personal criticism or to be accountable.
He obviously forgot his poppy yesterday as well he had to cadge one off a fellow MP how embarrassing.
 
As I wrote in an earlier post, we’re going to hell in a handcart. Either leaving the ECHR or a major overhaul of same won’t cure our myriad of problems, but it would be a good start.
Which of these are the cause, and which do you not want personally?

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