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PC David Carrick a serving member of the Met Police has admitted in court to 49 sex offences 24 of them being rape cases.

Some of the charges/allegations against him are just horrific, he clearly used his position as a serving Police officer to gain trust from many of his victims.

WTF is this country coming to if we can’t trust our Police force?
 
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Totally evil scrote who is going to be going through hell in Prison, good.

Structurally, what bother me is allegations of this behaviour were made more than 12 years ago against him, during the period he has admitted to rape, and yet his supervision did not take the correct action.

The worst consequence of this is loss of faith in the police, particularly by vulnerable women. Not sure how they go about rebuilding trust after this.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Totally evil scrote who is going to be going through hell in Prison, good.

Structurally, what bother me is allegations of this behaviour were made more than 12 years ago against him, during the period he has admitted to rape, and yet his supervision did not take the correct action.

The worst consequence of this is loss of faith in the police, particularly by vulnerable women. Not sure how they go about rebuilding trust after this.
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What comes out is that police forces are not dealing with the original allegations properly, which makes them almost complicit. There needs to be an independent body set up for victims to go to in the first place, who can ensure that these allegations are taken seriously. The same goes for any allegations made against the police.
I wonder how many times this animal used the fact that he was a policeman to silence his victims.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
PC David Carrick a serving member of the Met Police has admitted in court to 49 sex offences 24 of them being rape cases.

Some of the charges/allegations against him are just horrific, he clearly used his position as a serving Police officer to gain trust from many of his victims.

WTF is this country coming to if we can’t trust our Police force?
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What the public should be made aware of is the very differing standards (morality wise) of regional Forces and the Met.

The Met historically have abysmal standards, and are regularly the Force that 'headline' these atrocities.

Im not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere, just that its more often the Met.

During the Miners strike a coach load of them were fed and watered royally at our Divisional HQ, only to be repayed by mass graffiti over the walls, faeces smeared over the toilets. and numerous displays (Badges/awards) etc removed and stolen.

Needless to say not my favourite Force, and ive been a bobby in London too, so very aware of their 'practices'.
 
A nasty piece of work about whom the Met not only failed to heed warnings of his behaviour but who had him promoted to a senior role requiring positive vetting!

Yvette Cooper called it right when she said, "Two years ago, after the awful murder of Sarah Everard, Conservative ministers promised that action would be taken to improve vetting, checks and standards.

“Yet since then, ministers have completely failed to introduce any new national standards or requirements or any serious changes to police vetting, conduct and misconduct processes.

“The police had failed to suspend David Carrick while rape allegations were investigated, and soon after reinstated his firearm permissions. Everyone who demanded change will feel badly let down today.”
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
As I’ve said on here, the Police ‘Force’ has been a morally bankrupt cult of criminality for as long as I can ever remember.

This is obviously the extreme end of the wedge, but it’s not surprising.
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Define 'Police Force' X3

If its the Met, I couldn't agree with you more. If you are suggesting other Forces (W.Mids excepted), I couldn't disagree with you more.

Ive worked in 3 Forces, all of which were racially integrated with virtually no racism or morally corrupt officers. Some might not have been the sharpest tools in the proverbial toolbox and didn't have good rapport with the public in general, but were hard working officers regularly abused and assaulted, working terrible hours and conditions for what was relevantly a poor wage.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Define 'Police Force' X3

If its the Met, I couldn't agree with you more. If you are suggesting other Forces (W.Mids excepted), I couldn't disagree with you more.

Ive worked in 3 Forces, all of which were racially integrated with virtually no racism or morally corrupt officers. Some might not have been the sharpest tools in the proverbial toolbox and didn't have good rapport with the public in general, but were hard working officers regularly abused and assaulted, working terrible hours and conditions for what was relevantly a poor wage.
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The bulk of my own personal interactions involve Lancashire Constabulary, GMP & Merseyside Police... I mean lets face it, even the use of the word "Force" as opposed to "Service" gives you an insight into the mentality that sits at the heart of these organisations though.

It's not only the general poor behavioural standards and overall lack of integrity either... There's also a complete lack of attention to the physical requirements that ought to be necessary to function as a Police Officer.... Far too many would struggle to run a few hundred yards, unless there was a Chippy at the end of it...
 
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Tangerinemoss said:
Totally evil scrote who is going to be going through hell in Prison, good.

Structurally, what bother me is allegations of this behaviour were made more than 12 years ago against him, during the period he has admitted to rape, and yet his supervision did not take the correct action.

The worst consequence of this is loss of faith in the police, particularly by vulnerable women. Not sure how they go about rebuilding trust after this.
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T/Moss. I think your point about it having been going on, and known by others, is very valid.
WTF are these people thinking about?
It matters not that he might be a 'friend' of yours, you grass on him and get rid.
Disgraceful. I think that those who were in the know should also face disciplinary action.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The bulk of my own personal interactions involve Lancashire Constabulary, GMP & Merseyside Police... I mean lets face it, even the use of the word "Force" as opposed to "Service" gives you an insight into the mentality that sits at the heart of these organisations.

It's not only the general poor behavioural standards and overall lack of integrity either... There's also a complete lack of attention to the physical requirements that ought to be necessary to function as a Police Officer.... Far too many would struggle to run yards, unless there was a Chippy at the end of it...
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Good point about 'Force', I agree

Excellent last paragraph which I whole heartedly agree with other than the integrity point. Officers today are too short (yes it's heightist), too fat and incredibly scruffy.

I do think that Officers of today don't really know how to interact with Joe Public, but that doesn't automatically mean that they can't do their job, although impressions do count. Its also important to realise that the rank and file officer do the majority of their jobs under direct orders from a lot of incompetent Senior Officers which doesn't exactly enhance their capabilities.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Good point about 'Force', I agree

Excellent last paragraph which I whole heartedly agree with other than the integrity point. Officers today are too short (yes it's heightist), too fat and incredibly scruffy.

I do think that Officers of today don't really know how to interact with Joe Public, but that doesn't automatically mean that they can't do their job, although impressions do count. Its also important to realise that the rank and file officer do the majority of their jobs under direct orders from a lot of incompetent Senior Officers which doesn't exactly enhance their capabilities.
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I’ve got very good cause to use the word ‘integrity’ and I could reel off plenty of detailed examples that show it is lacking (root and branch). Unfortunately, I just think that it is so ingrained into the organisation that it has become normal and acceptable.

Obviously Rape is at the very extreme end of the scale, but I do think that sense of being ‘above the law’, ‘untouchable’ and beyond reproach…the lack of proper accountability for many of the small things and a complaints commission that is in complete denial creates the kind of environment that makes it possible for the kind of mentality that can commit such a crime to be fostered.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The bulk of my own personal interactions involve Lancashire Constabulary, GMP & Merseyside Police... I mean lets face it, even the use of the word "Force" as opposed to "Service" gives you an insight into the mentality that sits at the heart of these organisations though.

It's not only the general poor behavioural standards and overall lack of integrity either... There's also a complete lack of attention to the physical requirements that ought to be necessary to function as a Police Officer.... Far too many would struggle to run a few hundred yards, unless there was a Chippy at the end of it...
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Oi!! And Hertfordshire! 😉
 
I cannot understand how these males think. Whether they are Police or not what the hell goes through their brains when they rape someone? If they are short of sex or want extra sex, there are plenty of Massage Parlours, street walkers and god knows what else they can use if they are so inclined.

Just leave our innocent women alone.
 
With a hand on heart, can we trust anyone on face value, in any occupation?
It's truly awful that the human race breeds such evil, manipulative individuals. It's equally awful that the Police can recruit and employ such a scrote, who commits serious crime, undetected for so long.
How the Met officer in the case, has the front to say the public should have confidence in them, because they've convicted one of their own, beggars belief.
 
Curryman said:
I cannot understand how these males think. Whether they are Police or not what the hell goes through their brains when they rape someone? If they are short of sex or want extra sex, there are plenty of Massage Parlours, street walkers and god knows what else they can use if they are so inclined.

Just leave our innocent women alone.
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It was only about the power (for him)
 
Cleveland Police are awful, Cleveland Police Authority were awful before the introduction of the P&CC - and ours (and I've met him) seems a nice enough fella BUT has something wrong in his past.

We've got to remember, people like him, will play the long game to give them access to vulnerable people. How many teachers do we hear about, paedophiles infesting churches, 1970/80's stars abusing fame to gain access to youngsters, etc etc

There are some very nasty individuals who are more than happy to live a double life and be patient to get what they want.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
PC David Carrick a serving member of the Met Police has admitted in court to 49 sex offences 24 of them being rape cases.

Some of the charges/allegations against him are just horrific, he clearly used his position as a serving Police officer to gain trust from many of his victims.

WTF is this country coming to if we can’t trust our Police force?
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Buffoons at the top of the Westminster pyramid are too bothered about what fine wine and food they are going to eat then jump into a bullet proof car surrounded by police taking them back to the leafy suburbs of London leaving the lunatics to run the asylums ie: police, NHS, Rail etc.
 
585 = never give up said:
With a hand on heart, can we trust anyone on face value, in any occupation?
It's truly awful that the human race breeds such evil, manipulative individuals. It's equally awful that the Police can recruit and employ such a scrote, who commits serious crime, undetected for so long.
How the Met officer in the case, has the front to say the public should have confidence in them, because they've convicted one of their own, beggars belief.
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As Frankie Boyle noted, sexual assaults dropped markedly during the Queen's mourning period, because the Met police were so busy doing overtime, they didn't have time to rape anyone.
 
Curryman said:
I cannot understand how these males think. Whether they are Police or not what the hell goes through their brains when they rape someone? If they are short of sex or want extra sex, there are plenty of Massage Parlours, street walkers and god knows what else they can use if they are so inclined.

Just leave our innocent women alone.
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He did a lot of things including rape.

Seems very much about control by assaulting, humiliating and degrading women.
 
Lala said:
He did a lot of things including rape.

Seems very much about control by assaulting, humiliating and degrading women.
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Yes. Although sex was a part of it I think the real drivers were as you described.

Wearing a uniform, being given power and authority from his position, and particularly being allowed to carry a gun (FFS!!!) all play into that.
 
I'm afraid that the Police and the Military attract some bullies, mysogynists and racists.

I can't remember who it was who said that people who WANTED to join the Police and the Military, should be turned away.
 
Curryman said:
I cannot understand how these males think. Whether they are Police or not what the hell goes through their brains when they rape someone? If they are short of sex or want extra sex, there are plenty of Massage Parlours, street walkers and god knows what else they can use if they are so inclined.

Just leave our innocent women alone.
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It’s a power thing and unfortunately that’s one of the reasons some choose the police as a career. You’d think the psychology tests would catch them out. There certainly seems to be something wrong with the recruitment process.
 
Ollygon said:
I'm afraid that the Police and the Military attract some bullies, mysogynists and racists.

I can't remember who it was who said that people who WANTED to join the Police and the Military, should be turned away.
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Groucho Marx 😉
 
Ockers said:
As a boy in blue myself this prick makes me and all the decent Cops out there look like mugs.

Sadly there's a bad apple in every walk of life, good ridence to this CRIMINAL
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One bad Apple - 800 Met officers being investigated for over 1000 cases of sexual and domestic abuse - it’s a whole fuckin’ orchard!!
 
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One bad Apple - 800 Met officers being investigated for over 1000 cases of sexual and domestic abuse - it’s a whole fuckin’ orchard!!
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Metropolitan Police ; 43,571 in total · 32,493 police officers · 9,816 police staff · 1,262 PCSOs · 1,858 special constables 1,500 police support volunteers 3,658

That's about 1 in 50 of their staff.

For the 12-month period to year ending March 2020:

the Crime Survey for England and Wales showed that an estimated 2.3 million adults aged 16 to 74 years experienced domestic abuse in the last year (1.6 million women and 757,000 men), a slight but non-significant decrease from the previous year.

That's about 1 in 30 of us experience domestic violence. So assume 1 in 30 commit domestic violence. And if course there may be more than one person involved etc etc.

I get we should hold the Police to a far higher standard, but the evidence suggests the Met employ disproportionally fewer domestic violence offenders than in the general population.

It's far too many, there are cultural issues with the Met, but let's put it in context.

There are some nasty people in all walks of life, to including the Police, but not exclusively the Police.
 
🙄 interesting stats, TS, though I was actually drawing a parallel between Ockers 1 ‘bad apple’ with the Mets admission that 800 officers are being investigated
 
TSSeasider said:
Metropolitan Police ; 43,571 in total · 32,493 police officers · 9,816 police staff · 1,262 PCSOs · 1,858 special constables 1,500 police support volunteers 3,658

That's about 1 in 50 of their staff.

For the 12-month period to year ending March 2020:

the Crime Survey for England and Wales showed that an estimated 2.3 million adults aged 16 to 74 years experienced domestic abuse in the last year (1.6 million women and 757,000 men), a slight but non-significant decrease from the previous year.

That's about 1 in 30 of us experience domestic violence. So assume 1 in 30 commit domestic violence. And if course there may be more than one person involved etc etc.

I get we should hold the Police to a far higher standard, but the evidence suggests the Met employ disproportionally fewer domestic violence offenders than in the general population.

It's far too many, there are cultural issues with the Met, but let's put it in context.

There are some nasty people in all walks of life, to including the Police, but not exclusively the Police.
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So are you saying 1 in 50 of the populace is an acceptable amount?

Bear in mind that a large chunk of the workers will be women, who have a much smaller proportion of criminals in their number.
 
Wizaard said:
So are you saying 1 in 50 of the populace is an acceptable amount?

Bear in mind that a large chunk of the workers will be women, who have a much smaller proportion of criminals in their number.
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Good God no, but I am saying it's probably fewer than the general population which is a good thing.

It's easy to throw out numbers like 800, but the context is important too, you'd acknowledge that.

Sadly, domestic violence is rife, and more like 1 in 20 adults (not 1 in 30 of the population) experience it.

You'd hope that every police officer just upholds the law, but sadly, in all walks of life, to there is pond life looking to exploit their position.
 
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TSSeasider said:
Metropolitan Police ; 43,571 in total · 32,493 police officers · 9,816 police staff · 1,262 PCSOs · 1,858 special constables 1,500 police support volunteers 3,658

That's about 1 in 50 of their staff.

For the 12-month period to year ending March 2020:

the Crime Survey for England and Wales showed that an estimated 2.3 million adults aged 16 to 74 years experienced domestic abuse in the last year (1.6 million women and 757,000 men), a slight but non-significant decrease from the previous year.

That's about 1 in 30 of us experience domestic violence. So assume 1 in 30 commit domestic violence. And if course there may be more than one person involved etc etc.

I get we should hold the Police to a far higher standard, but the evidence suggests the Met employ disproportionally fewer domestic violence offenders than in the general population.

It's far too many, there are cultural issues with the Met, but let's put it in context.

There are some nasty people in all walks of life, to including the Police, but not exclusively the Police.
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I really don’t think you can make a valid point here based on supposition and ill informed comparison of data.
 
TSSeasider said:
Good God no, but I am saying it's probably fewer than the general population which is a good thing.

It's easy to throw out numbers like 800, but the context is important too, you'd acknowledge that.

Sadly, domestic violence is rife, and more like 1 in 20 adults (not 1 in 30 of the population) experience it.

You'd hope that every police officer just upholds the law, but sadly, in ask walls of life, to there is pond life looking to exploit their position.
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The context is that these people are hiding under a uniform in a job where they are meant to be protecting the public, and because of the job they are in they are not being investigated in the same way other members of the public would. In that context I think 1 in 50 is a huge number.
 
The Met said a total of 1,633 cases of alleged sexual offences or domestic violence involving 1,071 officers and other staff were being reviewed from the last 10 years to make sure the appropriate decisions were made.
Sadly I think the review is more about protecting themselves than it is about protecting the public.
 
traffordtang said:
The context is that these people are hiding under a uniform in a job where they are meant to be protecting the public, and because of the job they are in they are not being investigated in the same way other members of the public would. In that context I think 1 in 50 is a huge number.
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Just looking at the post below yours, if that's over 10 years, then again it dilutes the figure even further.

It's still too many, but it's fewer than the rest of the population.
 
TSSeasider said:
Just looking at the post below yours, if that's over 10 years, then again it dilutes the figure even further.

It's still too many, but it's fewer than the rest of the population.
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But surely we should expect the police to be considerably less criminally orientated than the rest of the population, for all crimes. After all their job is to protect the public from criminal activities.
 
TSSeasider said:
Just looking at the post below yours, if that's over 10 years, then again it dilutes the figure even further.

It's still too many, but it's fewer than the rest of the population.
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It doesn’t mean anything, it merely a number of cases that are being ‘reviewed’ for starters.

In addition there’s no proper detail in respect of the other data set. You’ve made a massive assumption concerning the number of individuals involved and factors such as drug abuse, alcoholism, social / employment status, mental health and a whole variety of factors are not considered… To that extent you’d have no idea what a typical ‘law abiding’ working person ought to look like.
 
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