Anyone heard from Belokoņs

BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So what are we saying.... That he's just agreed to split all the spoils with Oyston after all?
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Of course not, as you well know. I don't know what makes me think this but I just get the impression that Owen is a notoriously bad payer. Pure speculation on my part of course. 😉
 
How about a Latvia based scouting network or academy as a feeder to the Pool?
He can then get involved without being on the payroll. Do good in Latvia for the young there, and feed our first team with Brad the Surfer types again
 
Matesrates said:
Wonderful that he cleaned the oystons out of our club, but it looks like he took the money and ran. We’ve not heard a dickybird since, so for me he’s part of our history, a big part, but nevertheless, history.
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Agreed he was well rewarded with 31 million of BFC money
Thankfully the tangerine gods sent us SS with deep pockets or the missing millions could of set us back decades. Wish the man well and was obviously a major part of ridding us of the Os but there were reasons he got into bed with them In the first place, I was happy when he went along with them. We are now an honest and true club.
 
Without Val:

No promotion in 2007
No perfect 10
No Charlie
No DJ
No South stand
No East stand
No Premier League
No victorious court case
No Simon Sadler
No Critch
No ability to dream
No club, probably, now Covid has hit

It was a massive hassle for him, the while thing, but he delivered all these things and he's never got all the monies due, and I have no problem with him getting them. Compare and contrast him with the Oystons. Belokon actually invested in the club.
 
voyeur said:
Without Val:

No promotion in 2007
No perfect 10
No Charlie
No DJ
No South stand
No East stand
No Premier League
No victorious court case
No Simon Sadler
No Critch
No ability to dream
No club, probably, now Covid has hit

It was a massive hassle for him, the while thing, but he delivered all these things and he's never got all the monies due, and I have no problem with him getting them. Compare and contrast him with the Oystons. Belokon actually invested in the club.
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Oyston also invested heavily in the Club over a much longer period. To suggest he didn’t is just untrue.

And in terms of the list above you could make exactly the same argument (ie none would have occurred without Oyston).

You could also make the argument that without Val coming in and supporting the Oyston regime with his (let’s just call it questionable) finance, we may we’ll have seen the back of the Oyston Family much sooner.

At the end of the day, VB had his own reasons for getting involved with Oyston and BFC. He put a ‘relatively small’ sum of money into the club and him and Owen hit the Jackpot.... A whole series of things, including idiots like Karl Oyston had a hand in that success, luck or whatever you want to call it, but the VB investment alone wasn’t enough to deliver promotion.

Subsequently and despite contact from Blackpool supporters (including SISA) VB & co showed little, if any interest in challenging Oyston policy or intervening on behalf of supporters. In fact it wasn’t until Steve Smith contacted Belekon and essentially said “We’ve got an idea as to how you might bring a claim against Oyston” or words to that effect, that the communication lines opened up and VB and Team went into PR overdrive (Bowler Hats, Tangerine Ties, schmoozing influential fans and all the rest of the bullshit)

I get it, we view him as the guy who took on Oyston, but let’s not kid ourselves.....VB is a shrewd cookie...And the picture isn’t as Black and White as we’ve all tried to paint it.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Oyston also invested heavily in the Club over a much longer period. To suggest he didn’t is just untrue.

And in terms of the list above you could make exactly the same argument (ie none would have occurred without Oyston).

You could also make the argument that without Val coming in and supporting the Oyston regime with his (let’s just call it questionable) finance, we may we’ll have seen the back of the Oyston Family much sooner.

At the end of the day, VB had his own reasons for getting involved with Oyston and BFC. He put a ‘relatively small’ sum of money into the club and him and Owen hit the Jackpot.... A whole series of things, including idiots like Karl Oyston had a hand in that success, luck or whatever you want to call it, but the VB investment alone wasn’t enough to deliver promotion.

Subsequently and despite contact from Blackpool supporters (including SISA) VB & co showed little, if any interest in challenging Oyston policy or intervening on behalf of supporters. In fact it wasn’t until Steve Smith contacted Belekon and essentially said “We’ve got an idea as to how you might bring a claim against Oyston” or words to that effect, that the communication lines opened up and VB and Team went into PR overdrive (Bowler Hats, Tangerine Ties, schmoozing influential fans and all the rest of the bullshit)

I get it, we view him as the guy who took on Oyston, but let’s not kid ourselves.....VB is a shrewd cookie...And the picture isn’t as Black and White as we’ve all tried to paint it.
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Ok that's your opinion, but it's not mine. Belokon acted very differently to Owen throughout. He's only taken money when there was no way back, and Sadler doesn't want his money now. It's ok to disagree and we've done it to death before.
 
voyeur said:
Ok that's your opinion, but it's not mine. Belokon acted very differently to Owen throughout. He's only taken money when there was no way back, and Sadler doesn't want his money now. It's ok to disagree and we've done it to death before.
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I’m not going to pretend Belokon was some tangerine blooded fan, but if he was only after his money from the start he would have accepted the bonuses Owen wanted to pay out after promotion. He was also due 70% of the Charlie Adam profit and flipped it so he took 30% and the club kept 70. That was an act of generosity to help the team which was wasted by the club.

In the end, his offer to settle was a hell of a lot less than 31 million. It would have basically just been his money back.
 
voyeur said:
Ok that's your opinion, but it's not mine. Belokon acted very differently to Owen throughout. He's only taken money when there was no way back, and Sadler doesn't want his money now. It's ok to disagree and we've done it to death before.
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I appreciate that, I just think that it's easy to kind of airbrush over our History to suit our own agenda. I'm clearly no fan of Oyston, but I think it's important to at least be honest with ourselves and try to be consistent.

I do agree with you that Belokon acted differently and appeared more interested to develop the Football Club and push on than OO did, but I really don't think it's fair to adopt a "Belokon Invested where OO didn't" line, becaue it's not true. In fact not only is it not true, but the reality is that over time Oyston had invested far more of his own money into keeping the Club ticking over. Likewise, I don't think it unreasonable to acknowledge that the Belekon Investment alone could never have been enough to deliver a promotion to the Premier League... Let's face it, clubs have spent multiple times that sort of money over decades and still failed to get there...So Oystons, including Karl all had a hand in that success as of course, did Lady Luck... But you don't get that type of success 4-5 seasons based on Luck alone, so something was working (at least for a time) and Belokon was largely hands off.

I certainly think what happened after promotion, in particular our approach to the January Transfer Window was borderline criminal, though again trying to be balanced again I do think the Club spent a fair proportion of our income in the Championship and in order to regain promotion. So the accusation that they simply didn't invest in the squad at all was also not true.... As I say, much of that wouldn't have been necessary had Karl not been so out of his depth and actually managed to approach the January Window with a degree of professionalism and intent. Obviously, the significant withdrawal of funds from the Club by OO was managed terribly and whilst arguably it might have been merited (to some extent) based on past investment, it was a greedy and stupid thing to do and it really showed them up for what they are.

I do think VB would have preferred to push further, but I don't think his involvement or his investment in our club was completely atruistic and I'm sure he may well have gone along with a fair split of some revenue to himself and OO from the Prem spoils.

Whether or not he would have chosen to get involved in the running of the Club, had he not failed the F&P test is a moot point. I personally think it was 'convenient' for him as I really don't think he ever wanted a major role and the prospect of a combined investment with a local partner was probably unrealistic too.

Anyway, it's all pretty academic now.... whichever way you look at it, VB has probably come out with the Lions share of whatever was left in BFC from the PL adventure and he's done so with a smile on his face and the apparent blessing of the BFC faithful. On the plus side, we do have what seems to be a fantastic new owner, who is a Blackpool Supporter and he seems to be willing to invest for success... To that extent it has probably worked out for the best. 👍
 
I think it's worked out for the best because of Belokons involvement, and the way he handled the court case. In which he wanted a good outcome for the club, clearly. Compare and contrast that with Owen and Karl. Two completely incompetent narcissistic greedy bastards. One a rapist. I can think of nothing positive to say about either of them. Belokon was instrumental in our best times, and in the transformation of the club. I doubt he's come away with much profit but, if he did, it's far more deserved than Owen's 11m. In my opinion. He ain't perfect, obviously.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I appreciate that, I just think that it's easy to kind of airbrush over our History to suit our own agenda. I'm clearly no fan of Oyston, but I think it's important to at least be honest with ourselves and try to be consistent.

I do agree with you that Belokon acted differently and appeared more interested to develop the Football Club and push on than OO did, but I really don't think it's fair to adopt a "Belokon Invested where OO didn't" line, becaue it's not true. In fact not only is it not true, but the reality is that over time Oyston had invested far more of his own money into keeping the Club ticking over. Likewise, I don't think it unreasonable to acknowledge that the Belekon Investment alone could never have been enough to deliver a promotion to the Premier League... Let's face it, clubs have spent multiple times that sort of money over decades and still failed to get there...So Oystons, including Karl all had a hand in that success as of course, did Lady Luck... But you don't get that type of success 4-5 seasons based on Luck alone, so something was working (at least for a time) and Belokon was largely hands off.

I certainly think what happened after promotion, in particular our approach to the January Transfer Window was borderline criminal, though again trying to be balanced again I do think the Club spent a fair proportion of our income in the Championship and in order to regain promotion. So the accusation that they simply didn't invest in the squad at all was also not true.... As I say, much of that wouldn't have been necessary had Karl not been so out of his depth and actually managed to approach the January Window with a degree of professionalism and intent. Obviously, the significant withdrawal of funds from the Club by OO was managed terribly and whilst arguably it might have been merited (to some extent) based on past investment, it was a greedy and stupid thing to do and it really showed them up for what they are.

I do think VB would have preferred to push further, but I don't think his involvement or his investment in our club was completely atruistic and I'm sure he may well have gone along with a fair split of some revenue to himself and OO from the Prem spoils.

Whether or not he would have chosen to get involved in the running of the Club, had he not failed the F&P test is a moot point. I personally think it was 'convenient' for him as I really don't think he ever wanted a major role and the prospect of a combined investment with a local partner was probably unrealistic too.

Anyway, it's all pretty academic now.... whichever way you look at it, VB has probably come out with the Lions share of whatever was left in BFC from the PL adventure and he's done so with a smile on his face and the apparent blessing of the BFC faithful. On the plus side, we do have what seems to be a fantastic new owner, who is a Blackpool Supporter and he seems to be willing to invest for success... To that extent it has probably worked out for the best. 👍
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The reality is it could hardly have worked out better and that is only considering the position as far as today. Whether it's via Belokon or another thoroughly vetted investor, thanks to the revolution, the judgement, the good work of the CAR, and most of all, Simon Sadler, we are now in the box seat and, dare I suggest it, thoroughly investable 👍
 
Nothing moved forward at BFC until Belokon got involved and considering all his investment came before the Premier League at great risk means he will always have my thanks. BFC x3 and Voy both make good points in long posts and nothing is ever black and white but VB will always be a hero to me and I still think his motives have always been genuine. The others sued their own fans.
When you see how far some clubs have fallen, boy have we been lucky!
 
PNENIL said:
Nothing moved forward at BFC until Belokon got involved and considering all his investment came before the Premier League at great risk means he will always have my thanks. BFC x3 and Voy both make good points in long posts and nothing is ever black and white but VB will always be a hero to me and I still think his motives have always been genuine. The others sued their own fans.
When you see how far some clubs have fallen, boy have we been lucky!
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In fairness quite a lot had moved forward, though progress was excruciatingly slow and we weren’t seeing the investment or progress on the field that we ought to have expected. I would agree that after Belokon arrived at the Club that things started to improve on the field though, but of course the pressure was also on the Oystons at that point as the fans had, had enough.

None of it really matters now of course, but walking away with Millions of Blackpool FC money will never sit comfortably with me, whether it's OO or VB, that cash should have been invested in the Club for the longer term.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In fairness quite a lot had moved forward, though progress was excruciatingly slow and we weren’t seeing the investment or progress on the field that we ought to have expected. I would agree that after Belokon arrived at the Club that things started to improve on the field though, but of course the pressure was also on the Oystons at that point as the fans had, had enough.

None of it really matters now of course, but walking away with Millions of Blackpool FC money will never sit comfortably with me, whether it's OO or VB, that cash should have been invested in the Club for the longer term.
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I don't agree with quite a few of the things you have surmised but I certainly agree with you that it's all history now and I'm not troubled by it any longer. UTMP.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I’d have to go back and check the figures but I think VB probably did more than break even. Although I suspect he probably didn’t recover everything that he could have done.
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As I say, little more. Certainly the bullshit peddled on here about the interest was well, err bullshit.

If VB got more than 10 mill I’ll eat your hat.

OO robbed us blind.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In fairness quite a lot had moved forward, though progress was excruciatingly slow and we weren’t seeing the investment or progress on the field that we ought to have expected. I would agree that after Belokon arrived at the Club that things started to improve on the field though, but of course the pressure was also on the Oystons at that point as the fans had, had enough.

None of it really matters now of course, but walking away with Millions of Blackpool FC money will never sit comfortably with me, whether it's OO or VB, that cash should have been invested in the Club for the longer term.
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Bfc x 3
You may be right about a lot of what you have written but it was VB who who facilitated the purchase of Charlie Adam and he was the catalyst to promotion
 
todayistheday said:
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Heard he got roughly a third.
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As I recall, Old Catweazle paid £10 mill within a month or so of the High Court final judgement, with £5mill from cash reserves and £5mill from a loan secured on the Travelodge etc. Then BFC was sold by the administrator for something in the region of £10+mill to SS whose purchase payment (minus admin fees) went to Belokon. If, as TAM says, the proceeds from Lytham’s Home Farm sale also went towards paying the court award then it looks like VB has received most or, in truth, all of the money.
 
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It’s fine with me. BFC was never going to get that money back. Old Catweazle had already had it away and there was no mechanism, legal or otherwise, by which he could be forced to return it to the club.

Better in VB’s pocket then, especially as the financial magnitude of that court decision effectively ripped the club out of Catweazle’s grasping fingers. I suspect the judge (PBUH) had worked out all the consequences before making his almighty judgement.
 
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If it wasn't for belekon we would still be napm or more than likely with covid not have a club (as perfect excuse for the scum).

He invested in us and brought us players that got us to prem, he then took down the scum bags.. so for me I can't thank him enough.

But agree all history... future is fecking bright.. roll on the season.

Ps has sadler built that new East yet as taking ages :)
 
Matesrates said:
Wonderful that he cleaned the oystons out of our club, but it looks like he took the money and ran. We’ve not heard a dickybird since, so for me he’s part of our history, a big part, but nevertheless, history.
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He needed us we needed him.
Job done.
New chapter now . I suspect VB will always be a fan
 
Out of curiosity what is at Home Farm ? £14 million is a LOT of money for anywhere in the UK. Quite how large is the land ? Is there planning place for housing or something ?
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Out of curiosity what is at Home Farm ? £14 million is a LOT of money for anywhere in the UK. Quite how large is the land ? Is there planning place for housing or something ?
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Sold Oct 19 for £14 mill…. Now worth £15.3 million….nice to know the Oyscum have lost out on the increase in value.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Out of curiosity what is at Home Farm ? £14 million is a LOT of money for anywhere in the UK. Quite how large is the land ? Is there planning place for housing or something ?
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Yes, PP certainly for the acreage close to Ballam Road for a number of huge luxury houses. All the farm buildings and the original farmhouse have been flattened for houses. There is likely further PP for other fields save for a perimeter region of woods around Lytham Hall. The main restriction will be the access road (just Green Drive/Watchwood Drive).

Home Farm is the largest open area of land embedded within the outskirts of Lytham and as such could be considered “infill”. It is probably the highest valued land in Lancashire with potential PP, given the posh desirability of a Lytham address.
 
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Whatever happened to all his legal fights and accusations as well as being wanted in other countries for 'dodgy doings' (whatever they were) because didn't they cast a cloud over whether he was able to ever own the club (or was that just Owen's spin on things!).
 
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