Are you refusing the vaccine?

I’m having it.
As it stands both my daughters are refusing due lack of long term effects known. They have concerns around it affecting fertility or other long term health issues.
I’ve discussed with them but at the same time I can’t give them those kind of medical assurances so I have to respect their choice.
I can understand young people not wanting it. The vaccine doesn't stop it spreading it protects you, young people are generally mildly inconvenienced with covid, why would you have a vaccine that hasn't been tested to determine possible long-term effects?
 
They have been saying in the news tonight they’re thinking about care and social staff who don’t take the vaccine will be no job if no jab and the residents of care/nursing homes could be made to have the jab if they want or need to live in residential care/nursing homes
I agree fully with care and social staff having to be vaccinated so they’re not putting other patients lives at risk thru covid
Hold on a minute. The vaccine does NOT stop a person spreading it. It stops you becoming seriously ill when infected. Therefore why should it be compulsory for healthcare staff to have it?
 
Hold on a minute. The vaccine does NOT stop a person spreading it. It stops you becoming seriously ill when infected. Therefore why should it be compulsory for healthcare staff to have it?
And if having the vaccine stops you being seriously ill why are people so keen to have vaccine passports, just be safe in the knowledge that you have been vaccinated and get on with living normally!
 
Around 94% of all adults over the age of 65 have been vaccinated in Blackpool. Have the 6% refused or is there another reason ?
 
Around 94% of all adults over the age of 65 have been vaccinated in Blackpool. Have the 6% refused or is there another reason ?
There could be a percentage that are unable to leave their homes(disabled etc) and are waiting for a trained medical person to go round.
 
I'm sure they'll immediately reverse their policy on hearing this.
Whether they do or they don’t, makes no odds to me mate, though I’m sure I won’t be alone.... I doubt you’ll be jumping for joy when you’ve lost your ID Card and you need a pack of silver rizla.
 
Not true. People have died.

On whether it's been tested enough, it is still in Phase 3 trials and only approved for emergency use.

It's exactly these kinds of confidently asserted but completely bullshido comments that I hear a million times a day.

Much better to ignore and crack on but I just can't help myself 😔
No one has died because of the vaccine, which was the point I'm making. You're all too quick to tell us that people die of flu and we should just crack on.
 
I’m having it.
As it stands both my daughters are refusing due lack of long term effects known. They have concerns around it affecting fertility or other long term health issues.
I’ve discussed with them but at the same time I can’t give them those kind of medical assurances so I have to respect their choice.

It would be interesting to see stats of those not wanting the vaccine broken down into age groups, Karen.
I think social media will be a massive influencer for the younger generation, where misinformation is rife.
 
No one has died because of the vaccine, which was the point I'm making. You're all too quick to tell us that people die of flu and we should just crack on.
People have died of the vaccine, Wiz.
 
It would be interesting to see stats of those not wanting the vaccine broken down into age groups, Karen.
I think social media will be a massive influencer for the younger generation, where misinformation is rife.
Yes, I agree there will be a lot of misinformation out there on social media and the young will be more persuaded by it 👍
I did have a conversation with both of them but they were singing from the same hymn sheet which probably backs up your theory that they have been influenced.
At the end of the day though when I couldn’t give them cast iron assurances I had to leave them to it I guess 👌
I think a holiday passport may change their minds over time 🧐
 
I’ll have it when I get the nod, been having flu jab for last 15 years and previously had pneumonia jab so why not👍🏻
Dont really get why anybody wouldn’t want to have it, but hey it’s personal choice.
I thought you said you are 21. Does this mean you started having the flu jab when you were 6?
 
Any venue that refuses entry based on vaccine status can fuck off as far as I'm concerned.... Take my business elsewhere etc...

You're well within your right to refuse to go to them, but it's in their interests to demand people have been vaccinated. These venues have been hardest hit by the pandemic and will want to do everything they can to prevent another one, as they're the first to be shut and the last to open. So I can't hold it against them.

Same with people wanting to go on holiday. You can't demand entry into a country: if you want to go there, you'll need to tick the boxes they want you to tick. In some countries, this will include being vaccinated.

Domestically I don't think the government should mandate that people need a covid passport to go to venues, let the venues themselves decide, then it's down to the individual person to decide whether or not getting the vaccine is worth it, it also preserves the rights of people to make the decision on the vaccine as well as the venues rights to serve who they want.

I think in the short term, this will lead to many countries and events/venues requiring vaccines over the next 5 years, and those opting not to have vaccines will have to make the coincious decision to miss out on visiting. Once the virus is under control -or our management of it improves - I can see the requirement phasing out.

The only issue with this is if enough people don't want the vaccine and most venues don't encourage the uptake, but at the moment I don't think that's likely.
 
I'll be having it when invited. I took the current Mrs GT for hers the day before yesterday and everything was hassle free and friendly at a semi deserted Aintree Racecourse. Just to say she was a bit headachy and really lacking in energy for a good 24 hours, so to be very cautious it's maybe worth not having any major tasks planned immediately following the jab. A lot of others I know who've had it have had no appreciable symptoms.
 
I'll be having it when invited. I took the current Mrs GT for hers the day before yesterday and everything was hassle free and friendly at a semi deserted Aintree Racecourse. Just to say she was a bit headachy and really lacking in energy for a good 24 hours, so to be very cautious it's maybe worth not having any major tasks planned immediately following the jab. A lot of others I know who've had it have had no appreciable symptoms.
I havent had the jab and I've been lacking in energy for about a year 😆
 
if it’s for medical reasons I understand

if it’s a personal choice are you happy to share why?

I ain’t judging btw because I’m a libertarian and believe in free choice, I’m just interested
For you to be able to enjoy a freedom without fear of molestation requires your acceptance of the authority that protects your freedom. That, therefore places upon you an obligation to accept the limitations of freedoms that would otherwise interfere with your enjoyment of your freedoms. In context, a freedom to object to taking a vaccine could result in the proliferation of a virus that, in turn could jeapardise your freedoms by causing you to be seriously ill.
 
Booked in for next Tuesday afternoon. My one big worry is that it's at Elland Rd. Who knows what I might pick up there😂😉
 
For you to be able to enjoy a freedom without fear of molestation requires your acceptance of the authority that protects your freedom. That, therefore places upon you an obligation to accept the limitations of freedoms that would otherwise interfere with your enjoyment of your freedoms. In context, a freedom to object to taking a vaccine could result in the proliferation of a virus that, in turn could jeapardise your freedoms by causing you to be seriously ill.
no idea what all that means
For you to be able to enjoy a freedom without fear of molestation requires your acceptance of the authority that protects your freedom. That, therefore places upon you an obligation to accept the limitations of freedoms that would otherwise interfere with your enjoyment of your freedoms. In context, a freedom to object to taking a vaccine could result in the proliferation of a virus that, in turn could jeapardise your freedoms by causing you to be seriously
 
no idea what all that means
It's your point about being a libertarian: ie. Someone who believes in the minimum interference by the State in the free market and personal lives of citizens. My post was saying that it is necessary to accept a level of State interference in order to protect your freedoms and, thereby, accept the State's role in deciding what freedoms are to be protected and which are to be outlawed.
 
I will be having my vaccine in the next two weeks and I want to have it so I can reopen my hotel in May and hope I’m protected enough from any of the guests that may have covid or who haven’t been vaccinated. One less thing to worry about I guess.
 
It's your point about being a libertarian: ie. Someone who believes in the minimum interference by the State in the free market and personal lives of citizens. My post was saying that it is necessary to accept a level of State interference in order to protect your freedoms and, thereby, accept the State's role in deciding what freedoms are to be protected and which are to be outlawed.
You can't outlaw basic freedoms. That's the whole point of them.

I do wish people would just admit they are getting jabbed to feel personally safer/can't be arsed with the hassle rather than pretending they are heroes taking one for the team 😂
 
You can't outlaw basic freedoms. That's the whole point of them.

I do wish people would just admit they are getting jabbed to feel personally safer/can't be arsed with the hassle rather than pretending they are heroes taking one for the team 😂
I’m not taking one for the team. I’m taking one for me as part of a team effort.
I don’t claim hero status for it and I’m not sure anyone does Tommy.
I also respect a persons right to refuse equally, it will be the individual that takes that chance based on whatever they believe.
Hopefully I will be protected sufficiently as I would rather not be seriously ill, and yes I definitely like the benefits of the nation reopening as a byproduct 👍
 
You can't outlaw basic freedoms. That's the whole point of them.

I do wish people would just admit they are getting jabbed to feel personally safer/can't be arsed with the hassle rather than pretending they are heroes taking one for the team 😂
Lots of freedoms are outlawed: the freedom to rob, to kill, to falsely imprison, to libel....lots.
 
I’m not taking one for the team. I’m taking one for me as part of a team effort.
I don’t claim hero status for it and I’m not sure anyone does Tommy.
I also respect a persons right to refuse equally, it will be the individual that takes that chance based on whatever they believe.
Hopefully I will be protected sufficiently as I would rather not be seriously ill, and yes I definitely like the benefits of the nation reopening as a byproduct 👍
Fair dos lala. You are honest but there are plenty who do think they are heroes though.

It's the opening up as a byproduct bit I'm not keen on - betting the farm on a vaccine. Basic freedoms eg. seeing healthy family members, should never be contingent on politicians and their kooky schemes. Other countries and US states have managed to fight the pandemic whilst preserving the rights of their citizens. It definitely was doable. So why did we do it the hard way - delegating responsibility down to the individual, having everyone fighting like rats in a sack?
 
Fair dos lala. You are honest but there are plenty who do think they are heroes though.

It's the opening up as a byproduct bit I'm not keen on - betting the farm on a vaccine. Basic freedoms eg. seeing healthy family members, should never be contingent on politicians and their kooky schemes. Other countries and US states have managed to fight the pandemic whilst preserving the rights of their citizens. It definitely was doable. So why did we do it the hard way - delegating responsibility down to the individual, having everyone fighting like rats in a sack?
I can’t really answer that Tommy, not knowing enough about how other countries have managed to do that, and how it succeeded for them but didn’t seem a viable option for us.
I think a lot will be learned retrospectively regarding every single aspect of this pandemic and it’s handling. There will be some interesting findings I’m sure.
 
It's your point about being a libertarian: ie. Someone who believes in the minimum interference by the State in the free market and personal lives of citizens. My post was saying that it is necessary to accept a level of State interference in order to protect your freedoms and, thereby, accept the State's role in deciding what freedoms are to be protected and which are to be outlawed
Silver are for amateurs, green only.
The Camberwell Carrot is my Go to
 
It's your point about being a libertarian: ie. Someone who believes in the minimum interference by the State in the free market and personal lives of citizens. My post was saying that it is necessary to accept a level of State interference in order to protect your freedoms and, thereby, accept the State's role in deciding what freedoms are to be protected and which are to be outlawed.
aye, if you say so old pal
 
Had my injection on Thursday

I must be one of the 'unique' cases because I woke up Friday morning with every symptom of the flu....and have taken the next 2 days off because I feel like s##t.
9 other people in my team took the same injection and they are all fine......nothing at all......

I was quite amazed that a few who were 100% against having the jab changed their minds the moment it was offered.
I think it was helped when someone said you don't see the same misinformation or failure to obtain information when you're given a similar jab for hepatitis A, hepatitis B, typhoid, rabies, meningitis, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, chickenpox, shingles, pneumonia & influenza.....and never question those...
 
Any venue that refuses entry based on vaccine status can fuck off as far as I'm concerned.... Take my business elsewhere etc...
That would be interesting to see which business would let you in😷
Will there be such thing as virtual pub visit for those who haven’t had the vaccine?
 
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