Australia

Problem they have is, they’ve only vaccinated around 14% of the population, if they don’t do anything it’s likely cases, hospitalisations and deaths will rise.

Spoke to my son in Sydney today, he’s tearing his hair out with three children home schooling and he and his wife trying to run their business.
 
Australia was one of those countries which was lauded for tight control of its borders (we should have been much stronger on our own borders and policy on foreign holidays). The rampant Indian variant has still had got in there. I agree the progress on their vaccination strategy seems poor and they don't have a clear exit strategy
 
My partner lives in Brisbane and from what she tells me the government have basically buried their heads in the sand when it comes to vaccinations
She's had both but for a long time there was very little public information about who and when you could be vaccinated and what info there was ended up being ridiculously complicated
Each vaccine she had the process took well over an hour so no wonder it's taking so long
The last vaccination she had the nurse told her that the next scheduled mass vaccination isn't until September
I'm waiting to emigrate (and have been for a long time) and I've written this year off and will probably be lucky to get there by this time next year
If they ever get the number of daily cases we are getting I dread to think what Scott Morrison will do
Probably a trump style wall !
 
They've gone completely insane over there.... Do they plan to do this forever?

I think they prove an important point, there is one way and one way only out of a pandemic and that is herd immunity.

Australia got lucky in that thanks to geography the virus never got fully established, but having screwed up their vaccine programme (thanks in part to the EU's scaremongering over AZ) they have no way of acquiring HI and thus no way out of the pandemic, so in principle they are stuck doing this forever.

I think the only exit plan they now have is to hope that the UK can supply sufficient vaccine doses to boost their programme and get it completed early next year.
 
sounds like an awful situation and disastrously managed but as yiu say this was a Country thrown up as being “on the ball” when we had a high number of cases last year
 
I think they prove an important point, there is one way and one way only out of a pandemic and that is herd immunity.

Australia got lucky in that thanks to geography the virus never got fully established, but having screwed up their vaccine programme (thanks in part to the EU's scaremongering over AZ) they have no way of acquiring HI and thus no way out of the pandemic, so in principle they are stuck doing this forever.

I think the only exit plan they now have is to hope that the UK can supply sufficient vaccine doses to boost their programme and get it completed early next year.
I see you have to get your EU jibe in🙄
 
Out of control. It's rocketed to 130 as a 7 day average.

Remind me what our daily rate is at the moment as we abandon all pretence of control.
 
Australia was one of those countries which was lauded for tight control of its borders (we should have been much stronger on our own borders and policy on foreign holidays). The rampant Indian variant has still had got in there. I agree the progress on their vaccination strategy seems poor and they don't have a clear exit strategy
Is that the Johnson variant I keep reading about?
 
Based on what? Me wanting competent government? Me wanting the pandemic to be controlled better?

You really dislike statistics don't you. They get in the way of your prejudices.
33000 cases in total and less than a thousand deaths. Not my definition of out of control either.
Be prepared to hear more and more "patriotic" rhetoric about constructive criticism equalling hatred of country. Some of them won't be happy until we become a one party state.
 
Plenty of Aussie relatives crowing on bout how they locked it down through isolationism. Great. Scott the Aussie leader is a Boris clone. Both useless. The bunker mentality cannot last. No exit strategy and an awful vaccine rollout.No idea what the answer is but pretending they are NZ ain’t it.
 
Come on.

Don't abuse our Aussie friends.

Now we've ditched the EU, they're our only salvation for trading goods and services.
 
No sympathy. It was and remains a stupid plan and it's not as if they've been busying themselves developing a vaccine in the meantime.
 
33000 cases in total and less than a thousand deaths. Not my definition of out of control either.
Be prepared to hear more and more "patriotic" rhetoric about constructive criticism equalling hatred of country. Some of them won't be happy until we become a one party state.
It was a thread about Australia wasn't it? Yet some see fit to barge in and try and change the subject with their churlish, spiteful anti UK rhetoric. Pathetic.
 
They are hiding from dealing with the virus. The rest of the world have had a go at tackling it and are starting to see light at the end of the tunnel. It's very naive of them to think they can hide permanently.
 
They are hiding from dealing with the virus. The rest of the world have had a go at tackling it and are starting to see light at the end of the tunnel. It's very naive of them to think they can hide permanently.

It would appear that there are a few on here that would have been happy for us to have handled things like the Aussies.

Would they now be praising our Government if we had gone down such a route ?

I'm not convinced.
 
The UK hasn't done great with dealing with the virus but there's no doubt that there's a good few on here love sticking the knife in and twisting it. Seem to get some sort of sick pleasure from it. Said it from an early stage of the virus, for some it's politics first.
Bang on there 20's
 
WTF has Bulgaria (highest death rate in Europe) got to do with anything?

BTW, I can name at least 20 countries in Europe with a higher death rate than the UK.
When I last looked I think it was Hungary not Bulgaria. I think the U.K. was about 14th not 21st.

We do have the highest number of deaths but our population is also larger than most.
 
I’m still not sure about the deaths. Are the deaths as a result of COVID ? Or someone just happened to have had a positive COVID test within the last 28days and then died of something. All a bit misleading and edit to add is the rest of the world counting the deaths on the same basis ?
 
I’m still not sure about the deaths. Are the deaths as a result of COVID ? Or someone just happened to have had a positive COVID test within the last 28days and then died of something. All a bit misleading and edit to add is the rest of the world counting the deaths on the same basis ?
Unless some other disease or 'thing' has simultaneously arisen (alongside Covid) that produces a consistent and predictable effect on the human body and nobody on earth has noticed it, then I think you can be pretty certain that the deaths are as a result of Covid.
 
Unless some other disease or 'thing' has simultaneously arisen (alongside Covid) that produces a consistent and predictable effect on the human body and nobody on earth has noticed it, then I think you can be pretty certain that the deaths are as a result of Covid.
Are you missing my point ? I could have a COVID positive test result two weeks ago and die tomorrow of something unrelated. As a result of the positive COVID test I am now a COVID statistic.
 
I’m still not sure about the deaths. Are the deaths as a result of COVID ? Or someone just happened to have had a positive COVID test within the last 28days and then died of something. All a bit misleading and edit to add is the rest of the world counting the deaths on the same basis ?
120 odd thousands excess deaths gives us an idea that the figures are reasonably accurate.
 
I’m still not sure about the deaths. Are the deaths as a result of COVID ? Or someone just happened to have had a positive COVID test within the last 28days and then died of something. All a bit misleading and edit to add is the rest of the world counting the deaths on the same basis ?

If you look at the ONS data, approximately 75% of deaths with Covid on the death certificate have Covid as the underlying cause, so very roughly 120,000 directly caused by Covid with another 30,000 or so as a contributory factor, this ties up reasonably well with the 120,000 excess deaths known to have occured.
 
Are you missing my point ? I could have a COVID positive test result two weeks ago and die tomorrow of something unrelated. As a result of the positive COVID test I am now a COVID statistic.
Yes that's right you could... And of course, on an individual basis, that is going to be very important, but from a statistical perspective it's not particularly significant at all. The key thing is that the basis for measurement is statistically valid and consistent. Obviously in the case of the 28 day circumstance, the limited number of deaths that might be attributable to other causes are balanced with the genuine covid deaths that occur after the 28 day deadline.

You can cross compare the information with other statistics such as 'excess deaths' & the ONS actual death data (taken from death certificates) and overall there is a consistency or concensus with the numbers (they sit within an acceptable range).

So the measure is merely about understanding where we are today, relative to where we were yesterday and to be comprehensive and accurate enough to inform policy and decision making. We don't need to know whether the bloke at number 22 is recorded of dying of covid, but he was actually hit by a bus.
 
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My partner lives in Brisbane and from what she tells me the government have basically buried their heads in the sand when it comes to vaccinations

I'm waiting to emigrate (and have been for a long time) and I've written this year off and will probably be lucky to get there by this time next year
Let's hope you make it by the time they hold the Olympic Games ! 😀
 
I think their policy is to save lives which in turn will save their economy. If they don’t have the skill or industry to make vaccines then they are relying on Europe or the USA or India to send them. Which so far has not really happened, as all have been using most of their production for themselves.

In that case, the only sensible policy for Aus is to clamp down on every infection to limit its spread until the vaccine supply comes in. To that end they are succeeding quite well. But I am surprised if they have not imported vaccine production technology/know how from us.

Edit: Ah, they have started their own production of the AZ jab.

But, apparently, CSL (Aus vax manuf) is limited in output because they also have to keep up supply of essential antivenoms (Aus having some of the most poisonous creatures around).
 
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I think their policy is to save lives which in turn will save their economy. If they don’t have the skill or industry to make vaccines then they are relying on Europe or the USA or India to send them. Which so far has not really happened, as all have been using most of their production for themselves. In that case, their only sensible policy is to clamp down on every infection to limit it’s spread until the vaccine supply comes in. To that end they are succeeding quite well. But I am surprised if they have not imported vaccine production technology/know how from us.

Edit: Aah, they have started their production.

But, apparently, CSL (Aus vax manuf) is limited in output because they also have to keep up supply of essential antivenoms (Aus having some of the most poisonous creatures around).

They're also having problems getting people to take it thanks to the EU's scaremongering back in Feb.
 
They're also having problems getting people to take it thanks to the EU's scaremongering back in Feb.
You could also blame Trump’s scaremongering about vaccination which is the story in the US.

Republicans aka anti vaxxers being blamed for the rise in cases over there.

I suspect the average Australian tends to follow the US rather than hanging on every word of VDL.
 
You could also blame Trump’s scaremongering about vaccination which is the story in the US.

Republicans aka anti vaxxers being blamed for the rise in cases over there.

I suspect the average Australian tends to follow the US rather than hanging on every word of VDL.

AZ isn't licensed in the US.
 
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