voyeur
Well-known member
Brexit is just getting control of rules? It really isn't.You said they're a fools, not much difference is there.
Who would blame something like Brexit, which is basically just getting control of rules, rather than those who have or haven't used the new powers they now have wisely, an odd approach. They've literally had the power to control immigration yet haven't, could have done many things that benefited the country that many who voted for it wanted, but haven't.
Upto you what you do, but I could easily say I'm frustrated with how easily people stick with the 2 party system, expecting change, voting that way because they've always done maybe. Maybe people just want someone who will passionately defend the values of the country, its people, stop all the woke shite and stop turning us into a third world country.
Regarding your attitude to Reform, it's seen often on here when they are mentioned and it's getting tiresome, although they must be doing something right if it's triggering a few. The same people who usually haven't bothered to even look at the manifesto but want to call them far right etc. Your opinion people are being misled is based on your own bias.
Some just can't accept many people have had enough of the usual shite and they are an outlet making a lot of the right noises.
They've already said what they'll do many times if you look, like Australia did in taking people back to the country of departure and it stopped them coming. Its got to be better than being a border force taxi service.
If you read again what I said was about the urgency of net zero and some of the lies about climate change, which there have been many. Maybe you've forgotten the ice age that was coming many years ago, or that places like Blackpool might be underwater by 2030, complete nonesense scaremongering that even the most extreme climate models don't support, it'll take centuries to see significant changes and that with no action.
These areas of Blackpool could be underwater by 2030 study reveals
If water levels continue to rise at their current rate, these are the areas of Blackpool which could be underwater by 2030.www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk
Therew even certain factors like isostatic rebound, which is small admittedly but still happening, but slightly offsets a little bit of sea level rise in our area. Every little helps as they say.
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Greta Thunberg deletes tweet warning climate change could 'wipe out' humanity | TalkTV
Greta Thunberg has deleted a tweet warning climate change could "wipe out humanity" unless there is a halt on fossil fuel usage by 2023.talk.tv
Although people jumped on it to wrongly say the world was ending, it was still misinformation, that apparently the guy she was quoting didn't say, but caused alarm and a sense of urgency for many.
So what I said is right, there are lies and exaggerations, I've not denied it's real, of course it is it's been happening forever and humans add to it and I've already stated ways to get on top of it with planting millions of trees etc and being smart, not crippling ourselves with unreachable targets when we're 1% of emissions. My point was about the urgency and false predictions or lies.
Even Scotland has, embarrassingly, rowed back on their targets that just aren't achievable.
Scottish government ditches flagship climate change target as it accepts it is 'out of reach'
Mairi McAllan, minister for wellbeing economy, net zero and energy, announced the move in an update to Holyrood on Thursday as she set out the government's next steps on tackling climate change.news.sky.com
Regardless of what you think of Reform they are a growing movement and have policies that are resonating with millions and many don't even know who they are yet, so will likely only grow.
I haven't read the Reform manifesto but I know what they are pushing for and it looks very much to me like populist bait. Like Brexit, Reform is backed by very wealthy people who have a self motivated agenda that they wish to push, and convince people to vote for them by banging on about immigration and net zero. We have a lot less immigration than the other major European countries.
And net zero is a very important target, whether you like it or not. We need to develop a sustainable quality of life, not a continuation of industrial ruin, and all the pollution of land, sea, rivers and the atmosphere.
Poverty is not down to net zero, or immigration. In fact we are not poor as a nation, we are wealthy. It's just that some people have ringfenced it all. And the likes of Farage and Banks are among those people. They operate purely out of self interest. People are being misled, it's not about bias. There is deliberate misinformation put out.
And you can be a fool without being stupid. And you can stop being a fool, it's much more difficult to stop being stupid.
Anyway, Reform will win very few if any seats. Their main impact is on the Conservative party, and Farage wants to be the Tory party leader, he has said so. It's all personal ambition.
