BLM, Club's stance.

Straighters

I don't why you are coming for me ?

Firstly, I have not read the thread on Rebecca Long Bailey and have no intention of doing so and certainly not immediately.

Secondly, all I said was that it would appear that you are not allowed to question the BLM without facing accusations of racism and I do think that's rather sad.

I was never trying to be any champion of free speech and if you have any issues with the Israeli government, Scaramanga or anybody else then probably best to sort it out with them.

Now that you are here, do you think that it's acceptable to question some of the actions and/or behaviours of the BLM without being racist ?

As a matter of fact, I don't see any issues with someone questioning the actions or behaviour of a group. I'm just pointing out that the same rules apply across the board. I just wonder why you have no intention of reading the RLB thread and then asking similar questions as to why people can't question the actions of the Israeli government without being accused of being anti-semitic. Surely the principle is exactly the same.
If you only want to question the actions/behaviour of BLM and want to do so without fear of being called racist, but you don't want to question the behaviour of other groups/states that aren't black, then it might come across as a bit, well, you know, racisty...
 
Remember when we had a few Judgement days 20's....they were quite popular.
Remember when da yoof started storming the front entrance and throwing eggs?
Remember the scuffles with the Police and that lady Policeman's horse driving through fans?
Remember the pitch invasion?
Remember the attempt by fans to get to Karl and Sam in the directors box?
Remember the all out chaos.....the fans getting angry......the smoke bombs, the abuse.....the lone electric wheelchair cutting across the turf?
Karls' removal of a statue.......!!!

Those days were organised by fans.....fans who could see something was wrong.
It was those fans who believed they were doing the only thing that would show the outside world that family were killing our club
Attempts at discussion were rejected...or even laughed at by certain mislead individuals......!!!

As with BLM....99.9% of this group is made up of (fans) just normal people who have drawn a line against racism and believe in whats being done
You think the 0.1% are extremists.....but these are the people who have made a stand.

The anger you may have read about at judgement day was for a football club we love
The anger you may have seen on telly at a BLM march is the same......

Black lives matter......No...ALL lives matter.....just dont see some on here getting angry that people are being killed and they just happen to be black.
 
It would appear that you are not allowed to politely question some of the actions and behaviours of the BLM movement without receiving personal abuse and without facing ridiculous and frivolous accusations of racism.

It would also appear that this board no longer allows people to express non abhorrent views on matters if such views are not held by the majority of other posters.

Personally, I find it rather sad that people appear to have prejudiced views against others who have the ability to think for themselves.
Seriously lad you need to get back on the other site, we need good people like yourself, debate is stifled on here, I’ve just been banned for speaking my mind, loads of complaints about me apparently!!! Unbelievable. Anyway this is a serious subject that needs to be discussed, but you will never get that as long as one side cries racism. There are hundreds of thousands of fans that won’t go back to football as long as far left politics some even say terrorists are advertised through football, meaning clubs could go bust. politics has no place in sport. I’m really pleased to see high profile folk like matt le tissier and Karl Henry speaking out against BLM , in doing so threatening their own future employment🙁 don’t expect to see matt on sky agsin which when you think about it is a throw back to dictatorship. This is not about black and white, 80% of BLM activists are white, it’s been turned into a nasty race war which thankfully a lot of black people are waking up to.
 
Sorry, am I missing something here. I saw one video a couple of weeks back but who exactly are these many black American social commentators of whom you speak. Googling ‘black social commentators against BLM’ has left me none the wiser
Agree. A typically "Trumpesque" off the cuff comment, with little or no substance.
 
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As a matter of fact, I don't see any issues with someone questioning the actions or behaviour of a group. I'm just pointing out that the same rules apply across the board. I just wonder why you have no intention of reading the RLB thread and then asking similar questions as to why people can't question the actions of the Israeli government without being accused of being anti-semitic. Surely the principle is exactly the same.
If you only want to question the actions/behaviour of BLM and want to do so without fear of being called racist, but you don't want to question the behaviour of other groups/states that aren't black, then it might come across as a bit, well, you know, racisty...
Maybe it is because Israeli situation has not affected us directly like this BLM movement so does not raise as much attention? If they ran riot and vandalised property they would be in the spotlight.
 
bside, whereas I agree with the general point of all that, each individual is different and it's not for you to tell anyone how angry they should be.
Sorry, I've worded that badly. Mean more that different things anger us us to a greater or lesser extent than others.
 
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Lets break this down....for a bit of debate.

Seriously lad you need to get back on the other site......Where you can chat with the same 4 angry posters day in and day out.
we need good people like yourself........You mean far right.
Debate is stifled on here........You mean people who are not far right don't agree with you.
I’ve just been banned.......But your posting on here...if you were 'banned' you wouldn't be able to write this....so you're not banned
For speaking my mind.......Still out for the count on that one
loads of complaints about me apparently!!!......Probably for you 'slightly' far right sectarian views
There are hundreds of thousands of fans that won’t go back to football as long as far left politics some even say terrorists are advertised through football........You mean you're not going back.....and those far left politics.......???.....Like.....err........WTF are you talking about....Terrorists...do you mean Fleetwood fans?
This is not about black and white, 80% of BLM activists are white.......Yes, we 'white' people don't like racists as well. Amazing how something focusing on black issues has a majority of white people.....
It’s been turned into a nasty race war which thankfully a lot of black people are waking up to......War......??? You think this is a race war???? No, people want justice and fair treatment no matter race creed or colour.......Would you still love your fellow man if he were a black, Catholic Celtic supporter....?

I do think your comments are totally valid WPC.....but lets not f##k about...your politics are Tommy R, far right and you stand behind them.
Then expect the majority to not like them.
 
Sorry, am I missing something here. I saw one video a couple of weeks back but who exactly are these many black American social commentators of whom you speak. Googling ‘black social commentators against BLM’ has left me none the wiser
Start with Terence K. Williams or the Hodge Twins, they have plenty of other links.
 
Seriously lad you need to get back on the other site, we need good people like yourself, debate is stifled on here, I’ve just been banned for speaking my mind, loads of complaints about me apparently!!! Unbelievable. Anyway this is a serious subject that needs to be discussed, but you will never get that as long as one side cries racism. There are hundreds of thousands of fans that won’t go back to football as long as far left politics some even say terrorists are advertised through football, meaning clubs could go bust. politics has no place in sport. I’m really pleased to see high profile folk like matt le tissier and Karl Henry speaking out against BLM , in doing so threatening their own future employment🙁 don’t expect to see matt on sky agsin which when you think about it is a throw back to dictatorship. This is not about black and white, 80% of BLM activists are white, it’s been turned into a nasty race war which thankfully a lot of black people are waking up to.

You're obviously not banned from here. And there is a post from you on the old site that you put up this morning. So where does this ban for speaking your mind come in?

We all know you have extreme views. Lying about this alleged censorship does you no favours.
 
Start with Terence K. Williams or the Hodge Twins, they have plenty of other links.
If they’re the best examples of “Social commentators” you can drag up. I can only assume you’ve got a Degree in “advanced straw grasping”.
 
Seriously lad you need to get back on the other site, we need good people like yourself, debate is stifled on here, I’ve just been banned for speaking my mind, loads of complaints about me apparently!!! Unbelievable. Anyway this is a serious subject that needs to be discussed, but you will never get that as long as one side cries racism. There are hundreds of thousands of fans that won’t go back to football as long as far left politics some even say terrorists are advertised through football, meaning clubs could go bust. politics has no place in sport. I’m really pleased to see high profile folk like matt le tissier and Karl Henry speaking out against BLM , in doing so threatening their own future employment🙁 don’t expect to see matt on sky agsin which when you think about it is a throw back to dictatorship. This is not about black and white, 80% of BLM activists are white, it’s been turned into a nasty race war which thankfully a lot of black people are waking up to.

If you consider yourself to be a “good” person. You’re in need of a frontal lobotomy!
 
You're obviously not banned from here. And there is a post from you on the old site that you put up this morning. So where does this ban for speaking your mind come in?

We all know you have extreme views. Lying about this alleged censorship does you no favours.
Talk about stating the obvious, of course I’m not currently banned !!! I said I’ve just been banned. which I was , from the 23rd to the 29th.
 
If they’re the best examples of “Social commentators” you can drag up. I can only assume you’ve got a Degree in “advanced straw grasping”.
I did state they HAVE plenty of other links. Those lads are entertaining and maybe you let the humour override their points of view, but they do lead to a lot of more serious videos.
 
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Seriously lad you need to get back on the other site, we need good people like yourself, debate is stifled on here, I’ve just been banned for speaking my mind, loads of complaints about me apparently!!! Unbelievable. Anyway this is a serious subject that needs to be discussed, but you will never get that as long as one side cries racism. There are hundreds of thousands of fans that won’t go back to football as long as far left politics some even say terrorists are advertised through football, meaning clubs could go bust. politics has no place in sport. I’m really pleased to see high profile folk like matt le tissier and Karl Henry speaking out against BLM , in doing so threatening their own future employment🙁 don’t expect to see matt on sky agsin which when you think about it is a throw back to dictatorship. This is not about black and white, 80% of BLM activists are white, it’s been turned into a nasty race war which thankfully a lot of black people are waking up to.
Obviously debate is not stifled on here - 103 posts so far and a large number of them coming from those who criticise BLM rather than supporting it.
 
Start with Terence K. Williams or the Hodge Twins, they have plenty of other links.

Thanks for the names. My view, Terence was a bit shouty and the Make America Great hat almost stopped me listening from the outset. Hodge Twins were easier to listen to though I wouldn’t call it humour, as per your reply to Giro. The examples of killings they gave were all very sad, not least that of a six year old boy. Pity it turned into a party political broadcast on behalf of the Republicans.

BLM as a widespread and loosely knit movement is what it is. People can agree or disagree with it 100%. They have a whole series of websites, accessible to anyone and they list their aims when it comes to fund-raising.

Many people have an opinion on BLM, what they should be, what they should do, what they shouldn’t do, who they should protest on behalf of, even what they should be called. They’re BLM, they’re out there, they’ve not been banned, they’re not perfect and they do what they do.
 
It would appear that you are not allowed to politely question some of the actions and behaviours of the BLM movement without receiving personal abuse and without facing ridiculous and frivolous accusations of racism.

It would also appear that this board no longer allows people to express non abhorrent views on matters if such views are not held by the majority of other posters.

Personally, I find it rather sad that people appear to have prejudiced views against others who have the ability to think for themselves.
Stick with it Seasider2020. It's not a case of others insisting that you hold the same views as what you see as being the majority on here. Everyone starts from the point of their own beliefs and some posters, I'm not naming names, do put up very well articulated and reasoned arguments. They are worth a read, surely. Even those who are more (ahem) anglo-saxon in some of their responses do also provide good stuff as well. It's a matter of rolling with the punches. Come on, it's a good board.
 
Black lives do matter and it's very important that that is recognised. Equally so, it's good that you recognise that there are extremists not only within that organisation but also outside of it who undermine the hard work that the genuine people of that organisation are doing. It's about honesty and I'm sorry but I do think some on here are less than honest.
Can I just point out it isn't an organisation. There is no formal structure, just locally led collectives. There is a committee being set up at work, for example.
 
Talk about stating the obvious, of course I’m not currently banned !!! I said I’ve just been banned. which I was , from the 23rd to the 29th.

No doubt banned for some innocent comment that the nasty mods didn’t like? (Not!)

Your track record speaks for itself.
 
Can I just point out it isn't an organisation. There is no formal structure, just locally led collectives. There is a committee being set up at work, for example.
Cheers. I still haven't seen anything about Boris apologising for loss of life. Not on the news and nothing comes up on google. Perhaps you misheard because like I said that would have been major a news story.
 
Cheers. I still haven't seen anything about Boris apologising for loss of life. Not on the news and nothing comes up on google. Perhaps you misheard because like I said that would have been major a news story.
It was the preamble to this New Deal stuff saying we've lost so many, let's get going again. Paraphrasing obviously.
 
Cheers. I still haven't seen anything about Boris apologising for loss of life. Not on the news and nothing comes up on google. Perhaps you misheard because like I said that would have been major a news story.
So come on the 20's what's your honest opinion on how Boris and his crew have handled this shitstorm. And don't give me this "I said on another thread ". Treat us to a detailed debate. If you can.
 
So come on the 20's what's your honest opinion on how Boris and his crew have handled this shitstorm. And don't give me this "I said on another thread ". Treat us to a detailed debate. If you can.
Ah so you do want to engage. Even then, the sarcasm is still there with your "if you can" comment. So do I get an apology first for your other comment? 😉
This "shitstorm". Well you've posted it on a thread, with regards to BLM so that is the subject I'll deal with. Again it's pretty much a world wide issue with clearly more focus on the USA as it rightly should be as it seems to be that is mainly where the problems arise. Is it a political issue? No it's not it's a race issue so I'm not sure what Boris could have done about anything to be honest. My own view is that the statues should not have been defaced or dismantled in the way they have. Those statues are part of our history both good and bad. My initial thoughts are that the statues need more information on then giving more details of what they were about and what they represent. That of course could possibly lead to more acts of vandalism though so perhaps SOME statues are not in the right place in todays times so should be moved to relevant museums where a more detailed history could be made available. Just to counter balance what I've said, I believe that in case of the Bristol statue there had discussions taking place but basically were going nowhere which must have been extremely frustrating for those who strongly objected to it. Again that said, I don't believe in anarchy and I strongly condemn those responsible for the actions they took. Especially in the time of a pandemic and all the social guidelines that were put in place supposedly for peoples safety. There is and will be a time and place for all those who wish to march in support of BLM and they should have waited, frustrating as that might have been.
Again for the record the policeman who killed Floyd together with the policeman who shot the guy at pretty much point blank range should both be charged with murder and I hope the American justice system do the right thing.
Trump is a clown, no he's worse than that and he's totally split the country and I'm not sure how it can be put back together again. As an aside I'm now watching Bowling from Columbine which I thought I'd seen before but I can't recall it. Anyway it's shocking. There was a really funny animated sketch in it showing the history of the white man in the USA. It was done in a humorous way but if you got past the humour it was sending a really strong message out.
Anyway back to Boris, I'm not sure what more he could of done on this subject.
And there you go, I know you're probably talking about the pandemic really but I thought I'd answer in relation to the topic of the thread. Sort of my attempt of a bit of humour by dealing literally and solely with the issue on here.
 
Ah so you do want to engage. Even then, the sarcasm is still there with your "if you can" comment. So do I get an apology first for your other comment? 😉
This "shitstorm". Well you've posted it on a thread, with regards to BLM so that is the subject I'll deal with. Again it's pretty much a world wide issue with clearly more focus on the USA as it rightly should be as it seems to be that is mainly where the problems arise. Is it a political issue? No it's not it's a race issue so I'm not sure what Boris could have done about anything to be honest. My own view is that the statues should not have been defaced or dismantled in the way they have. Those statues are part of our history both good and bad. My initial thoughts are that the statues need more information on then giving more details of what they were about and what they represent. That of course could possibly lead to more acts of vandalism though so perhaps SOME statues are not in the right place in todays times so should be moved to relevant museums where a more detailed history could be made available. Just to counter balance what I've said, I believe that in case of the Bristol statue there had discussions taking place but basically were going nowhere which must have been extremely frustrating for those who strongly objected to it. Again that said, I don't believe in anarchy and I strongly condemn those responsible for the actions they took. Especially in the time of a pandemic and all the social guidelines that were put in place supposedly for peoples safety. There is and will be a time and place for all those who wish to march in support of BLM and they should have waited, frustrating as that might have been.
Again for the record the policeman who killed Floyd together with the policeman who shot the guy at pretty much point blank range should both be charged with murder and I hope the American justice system do the right thing.
Trump is a clown, no he's worse than that and he's totally split the country and I'm not sure how it can be put back together again. As an aside I'm now watching Bowling from Columbine which I thought I'd seen before but I can't recall it. Anyway it's shocking. There was a really funny animated sketch in it showing the history of the white man in the USA. It was done in a humorous way but if you got past the humour it was sending a really strong message out.
Anyway back to Boris, I'm not sure what more he could of done on this subject.
And there you go, I know you're probably talking about the pandemic really but I thought I'd answer in relation to the topic of the thread. Sort of my attempt of a bit of humour by dealing literally and solely with the issue on here.
Piss off.
 
Insult me and expect to be insulted back.
Oh, I do but I didn't see any humour in your reply, only sarcasm and that's why you got the insult back.
Anyway, we move on. I'll do you another in depth analysis of what you wanted a bit later.
 
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Right, Herts wants me to give my views on this "shitstorm" so here goes. I'll add a bit more too, as well.

Firstly lets get some of the frivolities out of the way. Herts accused me, and he's not the first to do so, of being argumentative. Yep, guilty as charged. But hey hang on a mo. This message board has been split into two forums. One primarily for football, and one for politics. Am I wrong to suggest that probably the two most contentious things argued over in the world today are politics and football?. I think they are. Politics and trading insults has been going on in this country for hundreds of years and probably about hundred years for football too. So people on here need to get off their high horses with their mightier than thou attitudes. Football and politics causes arguments, so get over yourselves and deal with it.

Secondly, as much as I love football, I really dislike politics. I find a lot of the day to day stuff of it completely boring but that's just me. But I also have to acknowledge there's some pretty impressive posts discussing it by the likes of 66 and TDE 53. They also present their points in a non confrontational way and I commend them for that. That said, I have difficulty sometimes deciphering what they are saying, never mind even understanding it. I try to get a grip on it but sorry, it's just not for me.

Thirdly, another point which baffles me. How long have political advisors been in place? Can't politicians think for themselves? Why do they need all this advice, haven't they got their own views on the issues at hand? Also do the opposition have political advisors as well. I know Blair had one in Campbell and I've seen the one on Yes Prime Minister but did people like Wilson, Heath and those going back even further have them? I really don't know, such is my disinterest in day to day politics. Anyway, I mention political advisors because it is relevant to my next point.

So, on to Boris and my assessment. Well firstly, I would say don't be fools and write him off as thick in the way that Trump obviously is. He is a bumbling fool so to speak but that's all part of his persona. Sure, he migh not speak as fluent as the likes of Starmer and before him Corbyn and before Johnson himself Teresa May but that's just his personality. It doesn't make him thick. In fact he's probably very astute in his mind and there's evidence to back that up, although I don't know what part Cummings has played in that respect. Going back twelve months or so and perhaps even further, I think it was pretty obvious that Boris had aspirations to move into no 10. But his astuteness told him it was not the time immediately after the Brexit referendum. As far as I'm aware he jumped in and out of both camps with regards to Brexit and Remain. No colours nailed firmly to any mast. Add in the fact that there was inevitably going to be a lot of fall out on many sides with regards to that monumentous decision. So, I think he deliberately dropped out of the leadership election [if he was in it at all] realising all this and that it was not the right time to make his move. The inevitable problems of getting Brexit done was and is an unenviable task and he pretty much allowed May to take all of the grief for a couple of years or so before deciding tht the time was right to make his move as the party had lost faith in Teresa May. He timed the calling of the election pretty much perfect too, as he realised that the country didn't like Corbyn who didn't have a policy on Brexit whatsoever and that together with Corbyns strong left leanings meant the result of the election was a formality. So yeah, like him or not, he pretty much got everything right in that sense.

So the next question is whether he would have got Brexit done with a deal that was good for the UK? My answer is I've simply no idea as it's something I'm not overly bothered about. That's not to dismiss other peoples viewpoints on it but I think it's safe to say that's something I've had next to nothing to say about. So yep, up to this point everything has gone swimmingly well for Boris and I've no real problem with anything.

Right, next is this goddam awful pandemic which has cost hundreds and thousands of lives worldwide. I make no bones about saying that I believe some, just a few not all, on here have intentionally made this political and have simply no other intention than being political agitators. Their aims have been first and foremost to stir up the hatred of the govt and that this awful pandemic is just a bi product or a tool for what they are trying to achieve. But back to Boris as this is what Herts is asking about.

To some extent I think I got a bit of a head start on all this because at the time I was in Australia and New Zealand where throughout late January and all February it was pretty much receiving blanket coverage on the news as at the time it was heavily impacting those countries, certainly Australia anyway. I doubt it was receiving the same amount of coverage back here in the UK. I suppose in my naivety, I didn't realise the effect that was to shortly hit our shores.

And maybe Boris didn't too! I've no problem admitting that I thought his initial approach was right. By that, I simply mean by being upbeat, by saying things like we're all in this together, we can beat this. He led from the front trying to be positive, going round meeting people, shaking their hands etc. What's wrong with doing that? Nothing so it seemed. But of course he got it badly wrong. He and/or his advisors soon realised they were going down the wrong route of herd immunity. And the decision to go into lockdown came in, but yes it was too late. Just for reference I've never not said that. And yep that sadly has cost a loss of life for many. And all those people and their families have my sympathy. But then I have to ask myself was the initial action deliberate knowing what would happen and I firmly believe it wasn't. Just a tragic mistake.

We've then got a lot of other things that have happened during this pandemic. I won't highlight them all, but safe to say that Cummings actions were a disgrace, I think he blatantly lied in his conference at no 10 and he should have resigned or been fired. Boris hasn't done his job right there with regards to that. Fortunately though in Boris's case those events were quickly followed and overtaken by the incidents in America and the subsequent BLM issues which pretty much have handed Boris and Cummings a "get out of jail free" card. Care Homes is another issue that was badly handled.

So has Boris done a good job? The answer is probably not, there's been some big mistakes but I will also make another couple of observations.
Firstly, this pandemic is something like we've never been hit with before. It is impossible for the govt to cover every simple base on what needed doing. It seemed pretty much like on a daily basis that something new was cropping up. But that was the nature of the beast that this pandemic was causing. And I know people might dismiss it as irrelevant but I think any govt of any colour would have struggled. Labour would have made mistakes, big ones too, not necessarily the same ones but that's what we are dealing with here. And finally, the public themselves. Millions of us have followed the strict guidelines set out and we deserve commending for that. But too many haven't and aren't doing. Plenty of examples by just looking at the beaches and the BLM protests. And their actions are totally unacceptable and blame can't be laid at the govt's door for that.

My final point and it's one I've made a few times. Politics is cyclical, something always comes along to disrupt the natural flow of events and in this case it's this pandemic. So Boris potentially having a fairly comfortable ride has in the words of Herts has now been hit with this "shitstorm" and at some time in the next four years he will be either replaced as leader of his party because of these events or he will suffer a comfortable defeat at the next election when all the traditional labour seats of the north switch back to red.

There you go, I've probably missed a couple of key points but that's my honest assessment as I see it.

I hoped to construct a masterpiece like Picasso or Rembrandt but have probably ended up doing a fake Lowry. So apologies for that.
 
As a matter of fact, I don't see any issues with someone questioning the actions or behaviour of a group. I'm just pointing out that the same rules apply across the board. I just wonder why you have no intention of reading the RLB thread and then asking similar questions as to why people can't question the actions of the Israeli government without being accused of being anti-semitic. Surely the principle is exactly the same.
If you only want to question the actions/behaviour of BLM and want to do so without fear of being called racist, but you don't want to question the behaviour of other groups/states that aren't black, then it might come across as a bit, well, you know, racisty...

I have no intention of reading the Rebecca Long Bailey thread because I have better things to do with my time.

I am not going to read it now just because of your ridiculous racism b0110x.

As you were Straighters.
 
Seriously lad you need to get back on the other site, we need good people like yourself, debate is stifled on here, I’ve just been banned for speaking my mind, loads of complaints about me apparently!!! Unbelievable. Anyway this is a serious subject that needs to be discussed, but you will never get that as long as one side cries racism. There are hundreds of thousands of fans that won’t go back to football as long as far left politics some even say terrorists are advertised through football, meaning clubs could go bust. politics has no place in sport. I’m really pleased to see high profile folk like matt le tissier and Karl Henry speaking out against BLM , in doing so threatening their own future employment🙁 don’t expect to see matt on sky agsin which when you think about it is a throw back to dictatorship. This is not about black and white, 80% of BLM activists are white, it’s been turned into a nasty race war which thankfully a lot of black people are waking up to.

wpc

I couldn't agree with you more re BLM and Interesting to hear that Matt Le Tiss has had the balls to express concerns about them but I haven't read about that yet.

Good luck with shaking the old board up and with your social distancing Xmas do but I am not welcome over there.

Good to see that Owain is still over there keeping the lefties in touch and educating you all on football matters.
 
Stick with it Seasider2020. It's not a case of others insisting that you hold the same views as what you see as being the majority on here. Everyone starts from the point of their own beliefs and some posters, I'm not naming names, do put up very well articulated and reasoned arguments. They are worth a read, surely. Even those who are more (ahem) anglo-saxon in some of their responses do also provide good stuff as well. It's a matter of rolling with the punches. Come on, it's a good board.

1966

Please don't get me wrong, I love this board.

I just said that it's sad that somebody can't express concerns re the actions/behaviours of the BLM without facing accusations of racism.

I didn't say that the board was chite, it's just a shame that certain posters get away with continually making frivolous accusations of racism.

It would appear that they get a buzz out of accusing people of racism, failing to read what people actually say.

I am certainly not referring to you 66 and I feel I can discuss matters with you whether or not we agree on things.
 
So you think that there are white players out there who wouldn't want to support their black colleagues by taking a knee?

If you do I think you are living in cloud cuckooland.

MAC

It would appear that Matt Le Tiss and Jamie Redknapp wouldn't be in a rush to support the BLM movement.

A former black player Patrice Evra would be the same as them.

I would imagine that when all the Premier League players are sure that there multi-million pound contracts are not at risk, there will be a good number of players (of all colour) that won't feel the need to support the BLM.

As I previously suggested, it might be in the interests of footballers to support campaigns designed to examine genuine wrongs in their sport and work to better things rather than supporting - albeit through force - the BLM movement.

Obviously they may wish to raise awareness in areas outside football but I am not sure that the best way of doing that is via the BLM.
 
Patrice Evra is a "former black"? What happened, did he change into a "colour" that you like a bit better?

I love the fact that you are "not sure" that the BLM campaign is the way forward. Presumably you feel the same way about anything that challenges your world view. A world view, from you own words above, that suggests that you don't think that racial bias is a "genuine wrong" that needs addressing.

That's the only problem with posting all these carefully balanced cliches to try to demonstrate how enlightened you are. Eventually you slip up, and suggesting that EPL players might be supporting this campaign because of contractual considerations is a terrible slur on a lot of people, and says a great deal more about you than it does about them.
 
out of order Robbie. You know damn well what 2020 was meaning in that Evra is a former footballer who is a black person who has withdrawn his support for the campaign.

Whilst the BLM is clearly a campaign for good, there are clearly others using that organisation to cause problems and that is why some high profile people have felt the need to take action. I feel the point that a black person feels that way too does indeed send out a strong message.
 
out of order Robbie. You know damn well what 2020 was meaning in that Evra is a former footballer who is a black person who has withdrawn his support for the campaign.

Whilst the BLM is clearly a campaign for good, there are clearly others using that organisation to cause problems and that is why some high profile people have felt the need to take action. I feel the point that a black person feels that way too does indeed send out a strong message.

Sorry 20s. I didn't realise you had a monopoly on calling other people out.
 
out of order Robbie. You know damn well what 2020 was meaning in that Evra is a former footballer who is a black person who has withdrawn his support for the campaign.

Whilst the BLM is clearly a campaign for good, there are clearly others using that organisation to cause problems and that is why some high profile people have felt the need to take action. I feel the point that a black person feels that way too does indeed send out a strong message.

I appreciate the support 20's but I am happy to leave Robbie's agenda driven posts up for everybody to see.

His posts tell you more about him than they do about me.
 
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"suggesting that EPL players might be supporting this campaign because of contractual considerations is a terrible slur on a lot of people, and says a great deal more about you than it does about them"


Robbie

Do you think that every single player (black or white) in the Premier League supports the BLM movement ?

I would imagine that some of them have concerns about the actions and behaviours of the BLM movement and are not happy to be seen to supporting them but have decided to be seen to support them because they are scared not to - they could fear that to fail to demonstrate support could lead to the termination of their contract.

Matt Le Tiss was concerned about BLM and didn't want to show support for them but wore an arm band when Sky Sports - who pay his wages - asked him to do so.

Le Tiss then got in to debates on Twitter and informed everybody exactly why he had concerns about BLM and explained that he only wore the BLM badge after Sky asked him to do so.

Sky then decided to stop asking their pundits to wear the BLM badges and at their next appearances Jamie Redknapp, Patrice Evra and Gary Neville decided not to wear BLM badges.

So in suggesting that some Premier League players only showed support for the BLM movement because they felt obliged to do so, I am hardly making a groundbreaking statement, in fact I'd suggest that it's a very obvious statement.

If you are genuinely suggesting that all Premier League players chose to demonstrate their support for the BLM movement because they wanted to then that says more about you than it does about me.
 
"suggesting that EPL players might be supporting this campaign because of contractual considerations is a terrible slur on a lot of people, and says a great deal more about you than it does about them"


Robbie

Do you think that every single player (black or white) in the Premier League supports the BLM movement ?

I would imagine that some of them have concerns about the actions and behaviours of the BLM movement and are not happy to be seen to supporting them but have decided to be seen to support them because they are scared not to - they could fear that to fail to demonstrate support could lead to the termination of their contract.

Matt Le Tiss was concerned about BLM and didn't want to show support for them but wore an arm band when Sky Sports - who pay his wages - asked him to do so.

Le Tiss then got in to debates on Twitter and informed everybody exactly why he had concerns about BLM and explained that he only wore the BLM badge after Sky asked him to do so.

Sky then decided to stop asking their pundits to wear the BLM badges and at their next appearances Jamie Redknapp, Patrice Evra and Gary Neville decided not to wear BLM badges.

So in suggesting that some Premier League players only showed support for the BLM movement because they felt obliged to do so, I am hardly making a groundbreaking statement, in fact I'd suggest that it's a very obvious statement.

If you are genuinely suggesting that all Premier League players chose to demonstrate their support for the BLM movement because they wanted to then that says more about you than it does about me.

Very droll. I'd be more impressed if you put as much time and effort into finding prominent white people in football who have publicly acknowledged that there is a problem that needs to be tackled. But you're not going to that, are you? It's not your style at all. I commend you on the extraordinary literary somersaults you perform every time you post on these topics, but it would be a lot more honest if you told us what you really think. You never used to be so mealy mouthed about it, after all.
 
Very droll. I'd be more impressed if you put as much time and effort into finding prominent white people in football who have publicly acknowledged that there is a problem that needs to be tackled. But you're not going to that, are you? It's not your style at all. I commend you on the extraordinary literary somersaults you perform every time you post on these topics, but it would be a lot more honest if you told us what you really think. You never used to be so mealy mouthed about it, after all.

Robbie

I have expressed concerns on the actions and behaviours of the BLM and I am hardly alone.

I have told you exactly what I think - I am able to think for myself and didn't have to wait for approval from Sky or the Premier League - and it might be an idea for you just to read exactly what I say rather than trying to spin everything I say or suggest that I am not telling you what I actually think.

Sorry to disappoint you Robbie but I am just going to keep calling things how I see them.

You continue your agenda to paint me as a racist if you really want to but you look more and more pathetic every day.
 
Just reacting to your posts 2020. You are one of a few posters who are ALWAYS there or thereabouts when these topics come up. Arguing that black is white, so to speak. 😎
 
Just reacting to your posts 2020. You are one of a few posters who are ALWAYS there or thereabouts when these topics come up. Arguing that black is white, so to speak. 😎

Robbie

You have already demonstrated that you don't react to my posts.

You have already suggested that I don't post what I think and it would appear that you seem to know what I am thinking - or at least you think I do.

All I suggested was that people should be able to express concerns on the BLM without being considered to be racist, I am hardly alone yet you have become overly excited about very little and continued your ongoing agenda to paint me as racist.

Just crack on with it, it shouldn't be acceptable but I wouldn't want to put an end to your thrills.
 
Seriously lad you need to get back on the other site, we need good people like yourself, debate is stifled on here, I’ve just been banned for speaking my mind, loads of complaints about me apparently!!! Unbelievable. Anyway this is a serious subject that needs to be discussed, but you will never get that as long as one side cries racism. There are hundreds of thousands of fans that won’t go back to football as long as far left politics some even say terrorists are advertised through football, meaning clubs could go bust. politics has no place in sport. I’m really pleased to see high profile folk like matt le tissier and Karl Henry speaking out against BLM , in doing so threatening their own future employment🙁 don’t expect to see matt on sky agsin which when you think about it is a throw back to dictatorship. This is not about black and white, 80% of BLM activists are white, it’s been turned into a nasty race war which thankfully a lot of black people are waking up to.
BLM isn't political you sad tragic whopper
 
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