BLM, Club's stance.

Now there is the problem, how do you separate a genuine sentiment (I much prefer the "kick it out" message) from the label of a dubious organisation?
The BLM movement is not a label of any dubious organisation. It was started in the States and has gone world-wide. It is not owned by anyone.
 
OK, your post shows you to care about black lives. I also agree that with any rampaging mob in full on demo mode there are those who want to take advantage for a bit of looting, hooliganism or even so-called anarchists - who live in the world of the 1920/30s.
For me, I am not interested in any so-called British BLM 'movement.' What it means to me is the rush of concern in the States following a number of disgustingly wrong killings of black people at the hands of a febrile police force. That a large number of British people took that as a cue to demonstrate and, concurrently, raise the obvious issue of British slave traders, is a matter of pride to me. It's more than about time that this history was exposed for the evil that it was. But, I still say, BLM as a concept and movement for an end to racism in general and in the Police in particular, is a worthy cause. If there is a militant 'movement' harming that great cause by being violent and threatening, then I don't want to know it.

1966

You make fair points but I think it's fair to say that we don't agree regarding the BLM movement.

That is not to say that you are wrong and I am right and I don't consider you to be a "f*****g moron".
 
We have got to the stage where every premier league footballer must show their support for the BLM movement whether they want to or not and that is not a good thing.

So you think that there are white players out there who wouldn't want to support their black colleagues by taking a knee?

If you do I think you are living in cloud cuckooland.
 
So you think that there are white players out there who wouldn't want to support their black colleagues by taking a knee?

If you do I think you are living in cloud cuckooland.

MAC

If you think that every single Premier League footballer (no need to discriminate between black and white) on the pitch at the start of every single Premier League game supports the BLM movement then I think you are living in cloud cuckooland.
 
It is constantly inferred by some on here if you are against the BLM movement you are racist. The same people who bang on about “missing the point” of BLM.
 
66

I haven't read anything about that on here.

Lots of their supporters were running riot in London the other week, shouting "f**k the police" and attacking good honest policemen.

I am aware that they might not be representative of the whole BLM movement and I also support equality for all but I'm not sure that the BLM movement is one that footballers and supporters should be getting behind and perhaps they would be better getting behind other similar movements.

Of course, I accept that anybody who wants to support the movement is perfectly entitled to do so but I think that footballers are being forced to support them, there is no way a footballer would be allowed to opt out of showing support and that is a shame.

I think allot of white Britons are becoming a little annoyed at getting blamed for the death of a convicted armed robber on the other side of the planet and at being accused of being racist when nothing could be further from the truth.

I wish the good people of all colour within the BLM movement all the best but I am not sure that their activities are solving any problems and they could even be creating division.
Do you not think talking about 'them' and 'they ' means you've already created division and stereotyping?
 
MAC

If you think that every single Premier League footballer (no need to discriminate between black and white) on the pitch at the start of every single Premier League game supports the BLM movement then I think you are living in cloud cuckooland.
You don't have to be black to support or be part of BLM. So indeed, there is no need to discriminate.
 
1966

You make fair points but I think it's fair to say that we don't agree regarding the BLM movement.

That is not to say that you are wrong and I am right and I don't consider you to be a "f*****g moron".
Thank you. I must admit, it's not a label I've ever used against anyone on here but thanks for the support.
 
So you think that there are white players out there who wouldn't want to support their black colleagues by taking a knee?

If you do I think you are living in cloud cuckooland.
Oh yes because it would simply be passed off as their freedom of choice if they didn’t wouldn’t it?
 
Do you not think talking about 'them' and 'they ' means you've already created division and stereotyping?

Wiz

With respect, that's utter horsechite.

"They" and "them" were references to those in a group that I had defined.

It could black people, white people, supporters of the BLM or the police, it could be all of them at different times.

It's as if you are looking for something that's not there Wiz.

You are still my favourite lefty on AVFTT though.
 
Wiz

With respect, that's utter horsechite.

"They" and "them" were references to those in a group that I had defined.

It could black people, white people, supporters of the BLM or the police, it could be all of them at different times.

It's as if you are looking for something that's not there Wiz.

You are still my favourite lefty on AVFTT though.
I wasn't making any point other than interpretation is with the reader and not the writer. I apologise if I've misinterpreted the post.
 
66

I haven't read anything about that on here.

Lots of their supporters were running riot in London the other week, shouting "f**k the police" and attacking good honest policemen.

I am aware that they might not be representative of the whole BLM movement and I also support equality for all but I'm not sure that the BLM movement is one that footballers and supporters should be getting behind and perhaps they would be better getting behind other similar movements.

Of course, I accept that anybody who wants to support the movement is perfectly entitled to do so but I think that footballers are being forced to support them, there is no way a footballer would be allowed to opt out of showing support and that is a shame.

I think allot of white Britons are becoming a little annoyed at getting blamed for the death of a convicted armed robber on the other side of the planet and at being accused of being racist when nothing could be further from the truth.

I wish the good people of all colour within the BLM movement all the best but I am not sure that their activities are solving any problems and they could even be creating division.
A tiny handful of protesters were involved in the violence which should not have happened at the very end of the protest.
Meanwhile a much bigger proportion of the so called football lads are attacking the police before it's even lunchtime and then set off to find black people to beat up later in the afternoon. No comment about these of course!
 
That was my thought Eagle.

Interesting that the boards top yoghurt-knitter is of the opinion that a supporter is a "f*****g moron" because he has questioned the clubs stance on the BLM movement.
It's an opinion, I don't need to provide a 5000 word thesis, it's not my finals, take it or leave it, I don't give a fuck either way.

In short, he won't renew his ticket because of the club's theoretical support for a movement, not an organisation as someone called it. He needs to qualify that a little better, did he proudly wear his Wonga shirt for example? Does he vet all of the club's associations and does he carry that forward to all his transactions in life?

Or is he a ** moron desperately trying to prove some point or other?
 
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A tiny handful of protesters were involved in the violence which should not have happened at the very end of the protest.
Meanwhile a much bigger proportion of the so called football lads are attacking the police before it's even lunchtime and then set off to find black people to beat up later in the afternoon. No comment about these of course!
Funny that because their is plenty of video evidence that suggests ANTIFA were hunting in packs afterwards.
 
A tiny handful of protesters were involved in the violence which should not have happened at the very end of the protest.
Meanwhile a much bigger proportion of the so called football lads are attacking the police before it's even lunchtime and then set off to find black people to beat up later in the afternoon. No comment about these of course!

Good evening Cat.

On the very same thread that you are complaining to me about I said (and I quote), "I am aware that they might not be representative of the whole BLM movement and I also support equality for all".

Why on earth would I make reference to other people attacking the police ?

There is a debate on BLM and I was commenting on the disgraceful behaviour of some of their supporters, what has the behaviour of "football lads" got to do with the price of fish ?
 
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There are a few posters on here putting in a hell of a lot of effort to undermine or dismiss the concept that black lives matter. Why? I mean what benefit comes out of wanting to oppose the idea? Is it that these posters think that black lives don't matter? Is it some insecurity about being white? I mean, even when this opposition is dressed up as a pretext of concerns about Marxist terrorists it is a pretty weak idea.
Just a rapid review of the upmarket media in the USA shows honest reporting that significant numbers of the population are supporting the notion that black lives matter. There was a big article in the NYT on June 10th making this very point. The non-political Pew Research Organisation published an article to the same effect.
So, come on, what is worth the big effort to oppose this notion that black lives really do matter?
 
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The same people wanting to defend the quite possibly imaginary players whom might wish not to take the knee in solidarity against racism are the very same that hurl abuse at James McClean over his completely non violent and individual choice not to wear a poppy each November.

England have crying out for a decent spinner since Graham Swann retired.

Just to say that they will be waiting a bit longer because your attempted spin on this thread is very poor.
 
There's a post on the MSG group with a screenshot of an e-mail from a customer saying he won't renew his STs if the club supports BLM/ players take a knee.

I really don't want to be divisive by bringing this up, but I think this puts the club in a really difficult position. Possibly the best thing they could do from a business perspective is ignore it. Personally though I think the right thing to do is to reply to the gentleman something along the lines of 'we support our players' right to express their views just as we respect yours. If it upsets you, please feel free not to attend any games. You're welcome back whenever you have a change of heart.'

How do you get in touch with the SLO? I really think this is something the club needs to take decisive, quick action on.

I think your club should reply to the individual in a manner befitting his threat.

“Shove you money straight up yer arris!”
 
When that "movement" stops insisting on the destruction of historical monuments (good, bad or indifferent) stop insisting there is something racist in a white actor voicing-over something as innocent as cartoon characters and all those other childish objections against show business and literature. When they stop trying to close down other peoples opinions by accusing them of being bigots and racists. When they stop insisting people are disciplined, sacked or criminalised for their views, then I will keep an open mind about BLM as a "movement"; until then I will still say the "kick it out" logo is the most appropriate.
They are now even trying to attack images and stained glass windows that depict Jesus' family as white saying they should all be removed, what makes them think Christs family was black..........they were Jews, so my guess is they would be whatever colour the Jews were. I have yet to see anybody dismiss the "concept of black lives matter", nobody in their right mind would do that. Just because a lot of people are suspicious of the so-called "movement" why would you imagine they think black lives don't matter? Some insecurity about being white.............seems to me it is those "people of colour" that are insecure if they have to keep falling back on historical black slavery to justify their cause. "dressed up as Marxist terrorists".........a lot of what they are demanding reminds me a lot of what the Communists and Nazis did in the past, that's what frightens me!
 
There are a few posters on here putting in a hell of a lot of effort to undermine or dismiss the concept that black lives matter. Why? I mean what benefit comes out of wanting to oppose the idea? Is it that these posters think that black lives don't matter? Is it some insecurity about being white? I mean, even when this opposition is dressed up as a pretext of concerns about Marxist terrorists it is a pretty weak idea.
Just a rapid review of the upmarket media in the USA shows honest reporting that significant numbers of the population are supporting the notion that black lives matter. There was a big article in the NYT on June 10th making this very point. The non-political Pew Research Organisation published an article to the same effect.
So, come on, what is worth the big effort to oppose this notion that black lives really do matter?
When that "movement" stops insisting on the destruction of historical monuments (good, bad or indifferent) stop insisting there is something racist in a white actor voicing-over something as innocent as cartoon characters and all those other childish objections against show business and literature. When they stop trying to close down other peoples opinions by accusing them of being bigots and racists. When they stop insisting people are disciplined, sacked or criminalised for their views, then I will keep an open mind about BLM as a "movement"; until then I will still say the "kick it out" logo is the most appropriate.
They are now even trying to attack images and stained glass windows that depict Jesus' family as white saying they should all be removed, what makes them think Christs family was black..........they were Jews, so my guess is they would be whatever colour the Jews were. I have yet to see anybody dismiss the "concept of black lives matter", nobody in their right mind would do that. Just because a lot of people are suspicious of the so-called "movement" why would you imagine they think black lives don't matter? Some insecurity about being white.............seems to me it is those "people of colour" that are insecure if they have to keep falling back on historical black slavery to justify their cause. "dressed up as Marxist terrorists".........a lot of what they are demanding reminds me a lot of what the Communists and Nazis did in the past, that's what frightens me!
 
When that "movement" stops insisting on the destruction of historical monuments (good, bad or indifferent) stop insisting there is something racist in a white actor voicing-over something as innocent as cartoon characters and all those other childish objections against show business and literature. When they stop trying to close down other peoples opinions by accusing them of being bigots and racists. When they stop insisting people are disciplined, sacked or criminalised for their views, then I will keep an open mind about BLM as a "movement"; until then I will still say the "kick it out" logo is the most appropriate.
They are now even trying to attack images and stained glass windows that depict Jesus' family as white saying they should all be removed, what makes them think Christs family was black..........they were Jews, so my guess is they would be whatever colour the Jews were. I have yet to see anybody dismiss the "concept of black lives matter", nobody in their right mind would do that. Just because a lot of people are suspicious of the so-called "movement" why would you imagine they think black lives don't matter? Some insecurity about being white.............seems to me it is those "people of colour" that are insecure if they have to keep falling back on historical black slavery to justify their cause. "dressed up as Marxist terrorists".........a lot of what they are demanding reminds me a lot of what the Communists and Nazis did in the past, that's what frightens me!
Whilst on the subject of the Teutonic wonderkind, doesn't your user name frequently appear in print as Adlertag, day one of the Luftwaffe's campaign to destroy the RAF ahead of a Nazi invasion of Britain in 1940? Strange thing to want to be associated with, wouldn't you say?
 
Whilst on the subject of the Teutonic wonderkind, doesn't your user name frequently appear in print as Adlertag, day one of the Luftwaffe's campaign to destroy the RAF ahead of a Nazi invasion of Britain in 1940? Strange thing to want to be associated with, wouldn't you say?
Again, I suspect you are attempting to imply something that is not there...........................the end result of "EagleDay" is what I am proud of and if groups like BLM have their way they will rewrite that history despite it being an effort of free Europeans and fighters from the Commonwealth.
 
Again, I suspect you are attempting to imply something that is not there...........................the end result of "EagleDay" is what I am proud of and if groups like BLM have their way they will rewrite that history despite it being an effort of free Europeans and fighters from the Commonwealth.
You do come across as determined to hate black lives matter. Is it the Marxist connotations that cause this? I ask because the overwhelming majority of supporters here and in the States wouldn't thank you to be referred to as Marxists. Is there not even a slight possibility that the good things that can come out of supporting BLM will massively overreach the nonsense that exists in the minds of a few extremists...eh?
 
Disney are even changing the theme at Splash Mountain.
The worlds going mad.
and no doubt Santa will have to wear a black beard and Captain Black Is to become the new hero of Captain Scarlett. Well mate, I heard from a guy who knows this fella....(yawn).
 
You do come across as determined to hate black lives matter. Is it the Marxist connotations that cause this? I ask because the overwhelming majority of supporters here and in the States wouldn't thank you to be referred to as Marxists. Is there not even a slight possibility that the good things that can come out of supporting BLM will massively overreach the nonsense that exists in the minds of a few extremists...eh?
I hope you are right, but I have heard too many black American social commentators say they have their strong suspicions about BLM. Hitler was a master at convincing the German people to hate the Jews, I see to many similarities here to be comfortable, especially the things that are happening in the States. Mind you I am of an age that I should have no worries about it, but it's my Grandchildren and future generations that will suffer if things go belly-up.
 
I hope you are right, but I have heard too many black American social commentators say they have their strong suspicions about BLM. Hitler was a master at convincing the German people to hate the Jews, I see to many similarities here to be comfortable, especially the things that are happening in the States. Mind you I am of an age that I should have no worries about it, but it's my Grandchildren and future generations that will suffer if things go belly-up.
I understand the point but it's more a reset of historical values FROM the oppressed minority as opposed to against, which your examples were, it makes all the difference.
 
I understand the point but it's more a reset of historical values FROM the oppressed minority as opposed to against, which your examples were, it makes all the difference.
But isn't that what Hitler was preaching............to be set free from the oppressive Jew?
 
But isn't that what Hitler was preaching............to be set free from the oppressive Jew?
No one can argue that black people haven't been oppressed by whites, it's historical fact, there was never any basis in the rantings of a mad man pretending the Jewish people had been oppressors.
 
Whilst the fella who sent this email to the club is clearly an absolute moron and quite possibly a bigot too... he’s also purposefully putting the club in a difficult position trying to get some form of political statement out of them and is then trying to advertise this. All this ‘fan’ is doing is dragging the clubs name through the dirt and potentially harming it. Not only that but just like those Burnley muppets did with Burnley he’s making Blackpool FC it’s supporters and the wider community look bad too.
I don’t want him at the ground if he is a racist. If he’s simply uneducated and missing the point of BLM then I can forgive that as not everyone is able to grasp some concepts - people can ultimately be really thick - however I still don’t want him at the ground as he’s no Blackpool fan. A real Seasider wouldn’t do anything to hurt the club we’ve worked so hard to take back and that email and the sharing of it on social media is only ever going to harm the club.
 
I hope you are right, but I have heard too many black American social commentators say they have their strong suspicions about BLM.

Sorry, am I missing something here. I saw one video a couple of weeks back but who exactly are these many black American social commentators of whom you speak. Googling ‘black social commentators against BLM’ has left me none the wiser
 
It would appear that you are not allowed to politely question some of the actions and behaviours of the BLM movement without receiving personal abuse and without facing ridiculous and frivolous accusations of racism.

It would also appear that this board no longer allows people to express non abhorrent views on matters if such views are not held by the majority of other posters.

Personally, I find it rather sad that people appear to have prejudiced views against others who have the ability to think for themselves.
 
It would appear that you are not allowed to politely question some of the actions and behaviours of the BLM movement without receiving personal abuse and without facing ridiculous and frivolous accusations of racism.

It would also appear that this board no longer allows people to express non abhorrent views on matters if such views are not held by the majority of other posters.

Personally, I find it rather sad that people appear to have prejudiced views against others who have the ability to think for themselves.
Careful, the cry babies on here will be private messaging the mods to complain about you. You know who you are.
 
2020,

I was reading through the Rebecca Long Bailey thread and couldn’t help but notice that you haven’t posted anything suggesting it’s wrong to silence those speaking up against questionable acts of the Israeli government. Just wanted to let you know, as it’s clear you’re an advocate of free speech for all.

Scaramanga posted on the thread almost immediately, hailing the work of Kier Starmer is silencing the ‘mad left’.
 
2020,

I was reading through the Rebecca Long Bailey thread and couldn’t help but notice that you haven’t posted anything suggesting it’s wrong to silence those speaking up against questionable acts of the Israeli government. Just wanted to let you know, as it’s clear you’re an advocate of free speech for all.

Scaramanga posted on the thread almost immediately, hailing the work of Kier Starmer is silencing the ‘mad left’.

Straighters

I don't why you are coming for me ?

Firstly, I have not read the thread on Rebecca Long Bailey and have no intention of doing so and certainly not immediately.

Secondly, all I said was that it would appear that you are not allowed to question the BLM without facing accusations of racism and I do think that's rather sad.

I was never trying to be any champion of free speech and if you have any issues with the Israeli government, Scaramanga or anybody else then probably best to sort it out with them.

Now that you are here, do you think that it's acceptable to question some of the actions and/or behaviours of the BLM without being racist ?
 
You do come across as determined to hate black lives matter. Is it the Marxist connotations that cause this? I ask because the overwhelming majority of supporters here and in the States wouldn't thank you to be referred to as Marxists. Is there not even a slight possibility that the good things that can come out of supporting BLM will massively overreach the nonsense that exists in the minds of a few extremists...eh?
Black lives do matter and it's very important that that is recognised. Equally so, it's good that you recognise that there are extremists not only within that organisation but also outside of it who undermine the hard work that the genuine people of that organisation are doing. It's about honesty and I'm sorry but I do think some on here are less than honest.
 
Youre right, there are some lovely white supremacists out there 20's
They even hold the noose for you as they string you up.......
It's just those real extremists that shoot you in the back or kill you for dropping litter that give the other racists a bad name.

It's a shame because these extremists have put right wing views into the spotlight and look what happening......people just have the wrong idea of the master race.
 
Well, you've lost me with that one, b side. Seems you might be deliberately misinterpreting what I've said.
Hey ho, whatever though.
 
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