Bloody Foreigners

Jaffa_The_Hut said:
This yes but let’s not forget all the other shocking crimes that have been carried out of late.

A man only last week stabbed to death walking his dog, Manchester synagogue attack, sex attack on 2 women one a 14 year old girl all immigrants, I could go on and on.

As nice as it was hearing the news about hero’s today it’s not solved anything and serious crime like knife attacks is on the rise.
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mmm....wonder what the first story is on the BBC news.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Murder rate, what about knife crime tell me that’s down?
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Whataboutery.

Overall crime and murders are down over decades. It was you who said it's no longer safe like it was when you were a child.

When the Moors Murderers were on the go, of course.
 
Wizaard said:
No he wasn't. He was talking about the streets being unsafe.
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see post #48.

You watching the BBC news? No doubt you'll have a defence for the grand scale of crime of asylum seekers. It's rife up and down the country. It's right in front of you and you just don't want to see or accept it!
 
20togo said:
see post #48.

You watching the BBC news? No doubt you'll have a defence for the grand scale of crime of asylum seekers. It's rife up and down the country. It's right in front of you and you just don't want to see or accept it!
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No. They need to be stopped. You will have picked up that asylum seekers have no right to work, or recourse to public services.

I thought they were here to claim benefits and get a house, car and mobile phone?

The issue is with the police not doing their job.

PS A few fake cigarette shops doesn't get anywhere near the large scale tax avoidance by big companies, something that also needs to be tackled.
 
Wizaard said:
No. They need to be stopped. You will have picked up that asylum seekers have no right to work, or recourse to public services.

I thought they were here to claim benefits and get a house, car and mobile phone?

The issue is with the police not doing their job.

PS A few fake cigarette shops doesn't get anywhere near the large scale tax avoidance by big companies, something that also needs to be tackled.
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ah, you're playing whataboutery.

The issue is that if they weren't here, the police wouldn't have to do the job you want them to.
 
Wizaard said:
So you're saying no one should be able to claim asylum here. OK
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clearly you've not watched the article and realised the grand scale of all the crime.

But hey, you'll find a whataboutery to say it's not an issue. Jeez, you're even trying to blame the police. Shameful but typical of a leftie.
 
20togo said:
clearly you've not watched the article and realised the grand scale of all the crime.

But hey, you'll find a whataboutery to say it's not an issue. Jeez, you're even trying to blame the police. Shameful but typical of a leftie.
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I've said three times it needs tackling. Have the police done anything?

That's not blame, it's stating a fact.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
This yes but let’s not forget all the other shocking crimes that have been carried out of late.

A man only last week stabbed to death walking his dog, Manchester synagogue attack, sex attack on 2 women one a 14 year old girl all immigrants, I could go on and on.

As nice as it was hearing the news about hero’s today it’s not solved anything and serious crime like knife attacks is on the rise.
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You couldn't go 'on and on' though, that's literally everything you've read in the right wing media

You're selectively highlighting crimes by immigrants while ignoring everything else that doesn't suit such as the huge contribution made to this country by the immigrant population.

Sweeping generalisations are just lazy nonsense, I could quite easily make a case against white British nationals if I were so inclined in much the same way.

The recent trend of dehumanisation of a class of people through language by some, you see it on here all the time, is far more dangerous than anything else, history shows us where that road leads to.
 
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The guy is a hero, it doesn’t matter where he’s from, but he’s also stupid. You don’t confront a nutter with a large knife who has already stabbed people, unless you’re a marshal arts expert and confident you can disarm him. I wouldn’t and I doubt any, on here would.
 
Matesrates said:
The guy is a hero, it doesn’t matter where he’s from, but he’s also stupid. You don’t confront a nutter with a large knife who has already stabbed people, unless you’re a marshal arts expert and confident you can disarm him. I wouldn’t and I doubt any, on here would.
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Which makes him an even bigger hero. I wouldn't have done it, that's for certain.
 
Shandypants said:
Muslims from Algeria, coming over here, putting their own lives in danger to save British people from a British person with a knife.
He'll also be a member of that commie union the RMT.
Can Farage look anymore of a TIT.
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..and that atones for the numbers who come over here (illegally) and sexually assault our women and children.
It’s almost a daily occurrence.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
..and that atones for the numbers who come over here (illegally) and sexually assault our women and children.
It’s almost a daily occurrence.
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Abuse of women is daily, 90% of rapes and murders of women are committed by ex or current partners. Other than blame immigrants what are Reform intending to do to protect women against the real perpetrators and how will they improve the criminal justice system?
Farage has been critical of equality and women's rights, voted against a new bill to improve workplace sexual harassment and the online safety bill.
His recent interest in female safety is hollow and not backed with factual evidence.
 
Matesrates said:
The guy is a hero, it doesn’t matter where he’s from, but he’s also stupid. You don’t confront a nutter with a large knife who has already stabbed people, unless you’re a marshal arts expert and confident you can disarm him. I wouldn’t and I doubt any, on here would.
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Sorry, but for obvious reasons its ingrained in me to protect the public, so foolhardy or not, thats what I would have done.

As basically a member of the public the guy is amazing and deserves every plaudits given to him.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
You couldn't go 'on and on' though, that's literally everything you've read in the right wing media

You're selectively highlighting crimes by immigrants while ignoring everything else that doesn't suit such as the huge contribution made to this country by the immigrant population.

Sweeping generalisations are just lazy nonsense, I could quite easily make a case against white British nationals if I were so inclined in much the same way.

The recent trend of dehumanisation of a class of people through language by some, you see it on here all the time, is far more dangerous than anything else, history shows us where that road leads to.
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That’s in your opinion.

I’m simply saying one good deed suddenly doesn’t make the streets safer in fact they are not quite the opposite as we’ve seen the last month alone.

I’ve posted many times on here I don’t and never have had a problem with legal immigration being processed through the proper channels.

Whilst I do accept immigration in certain areas has worked overall due to our pathetic border force and security thousands of immigrants are arriving here illegally without any passport or ID so we don’t know who they are or where they are from or indeed their criminal backgrounds.

If you are happy with this then fine I won’t try to convince you otherwise but I’m not and never will be with people coming here illegally it’s currently a sham and it’s not being addressed with any real priority at all by this Government over 55,000 illegal immigrants have arrived since Labour came to power alone tells you all you need to know.

Paying France hundreds of millions of pounds to try and stop it is another sham we're being shafted for but that debate has already been done to death on here so I’ll leave it.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
That’s in your opinion.

I’m simply saying one good deed suddenly doesn’t make the streets safer in fact they are not quite the opposite as we’ve seen the last month alone.

I’ve posted many times on here I don’t and never have had a problem with legal immigration being processed through the proper channels.

Whilst I do accept immigration in certain areas has worked overall due to our pathetic border force and security thousands of immigrants are arriving here illegally without any passport or ID so we don’t know who they are or where they are from or indeed their criminal backgrounds.

If you are happy with this then fine I won’t try to convince you otherwise but I’m not and never will be with people coming here illegally it’s currently a sham and it’s not being addressed with any real priority at all by this Government over 55,000 illegal immigrants have arrived since Labour came to power alone tells you all you need to know.

Paying France hundreds of millions of pounds to try and stop it is another sham but that debate has already been done to death on here so I’ll leave it.
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It is not possible to apply for asylum from outside the UK. That means that they have to come here illegally in the 1st place until the claim asylum.
I'd also add that France are receiving far more applications than us.
Both of these are facts. You can call asylum seekers illegal immigrants, that is a fact, despite some of them being justifiable refugees. Maybe the system needs changing with sufficient processing centres in France to allow genuine people to claim before entering the UK.
 
Shandypants said:
It is not possible to apply for asylum from outside the UK. That means that they have to come here illegally in the 1st place until the claim asylum.
I'd also add that France are receiving far more applications than us.
Both of these are facts. You can call asylum seekers illegal immigrants, that is a fact, despite some of them being justifiable refugees. Maybe the system needs changing with sufficient processing centres in France to allow genuine people to claim before entering the UK.
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I understand that so why do thousands of these immigrants crossing the channel dump what identity cards they have overboard?
Surely having a passport ID would help in any application for asylum?
I think most of us know the reason why it happens don’t we?
 

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Matesrates said:
The guy is a hero, it doesn’t matter where he’s from, but he’s also stupid. You don’t confront a nutter with a large knife who has already stabbed people, unless you’re a marshal arts expert and confident you can disarm him. I wouldn’t and I doubt any, on here would.
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Depends on why he confronted him whether he’s stupid. If he did it because he thought he had a good chance of disarming him then sure. If he did it because he wanted to buy others time/help people then it wasn’t stupid at all just selfless.
 
Shandypants said:
Abuse of women is daily, 90% of rapes and murders of women are committed by ex or current partners. Other than blame immigrants what are Reform intending to do to protect women against the real perpetrators and how will they improve the criminal justice system?
Farage has been critical of equality and women's rights, voted against a new bill to improve workplace sexual harassment and the online safety bill.
His recent interest in female safety is hollow and not backed with factual evidence.
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Apparently 40% of the Southport rioters had been reported for domestic abuse.

They should be forced to wear T shirts that read “White women need protecting. From men like me!”
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Apparently 40% of the Southport rioters had been reported for domestic abuse.

They should be forced to wear T shirts that read “White women need protecting. From men like me!”
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So were the other 60% just good natured people without any criminal history who were just genuinely worried what’s going on today?
 
Matesrates said:
The guy is a hero, it doesn’t matter where he’s from, but he’s also stupid. You don’t confront a nutter with a large knife who has already stabbed people, unless you’re a marshal arts expert and confident you can disarm him. I wouldn’t and I doubt any, on here would.
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It's literally his job to 'guard' the passengers.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
..and that atones for the numbers who come over here (illegally) and sexually assault our women and children.
It’s almost a daily
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So were the other 60% just good natured people without any criminal history who were just genuinely worried what’s going on today?
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I have just looked that 40% statistic up and surprise surprise it was from the guardian and they had to backtrack to say it was 40% of those who got arrested and not 40% who attended as initially claimed.
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So 40% of those arrested were domestic abusers. That's ok then.

There to protect 'are wimmin', yet 40% of them abuse their partners and/or kids.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Sorry, but for obvious reasons its ingrained in me to protect the public, so foolhardy or not, thats what I would have done.

As basically a member of the public the guy is amazing and deserves every plaudits given to him.
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As all ex coppers, you're waiting in anticipation for that next legitimate dust up 😂

Anyone I know who's been in the force or an ex squaddie definitely can recall all those moments in service when they delivered a "piece of education" to a scrote 👊🏻
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I wonder how big the thread would be had the perpetrator been an immigrant, we already had two threads on here before anyone was named, 'civil war' was even used.

Certain posters on here will be gutted that it was actually the hero who was the immigrant. Get well soon pal.

Some people just need to keep their fcuking mouths shut sometimes, wankers.
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That civil war shout was genuinely one of the funniest things I’d seen on here, especially when you consider that, to fight a civil war, you need guns. Which are practically non-existent in this country.

Sticks and stones it is then…
 
Wizaard said:
So 40% of those arrested were domestic abusers. That's ok then.

There to protect 'are wimmin', yet 40% of them abuse their partners and/or kids.
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So after the riots someone went round and collated all the details of those connected and came back with that statistic!

Disclaimer....domestic abuse is wrong and should never happen to women OR men
 
FY4Representer said:
That civil war shout was genuinely one of the funniest things I’d seen on here, especially when you consider that, to fight a civil war, you need guns. Which are practically non-existent in this country.

Sticks and stones it is then…
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'A call to sticks'
 
Shandypants said:
It is not possible to apply for asylum from outside the UK. That means that they have to come here illegally in the 1st place until the claim asylum.
I'd also add that France are receiving far more applications than us.
Both of these are facts. You can call asylum seekers illegal immigrants, that is a fact, despite some of them being justifiable refugees. Maybe the system needs changing with sufficient processing centres in France to allow genuine people to claim before entering the UK.
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yep, but you don't believe in borders do you? You wouldn't have a problem with millions of people coming from overseas.
 
FY4Representer said:
That civil war shout was genuinely one of the funniest things I’d seen on here, especially when you consider that, to fight a civil war, you need guns. Which are practically non-existent in this country.

Sticks and stones it is then…
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Or swords, poles, pitch forks and bows.

The civil war is already here. It's the war of "hurty wars behind a screen". Both sides have geared up and only RSI gets in the way.
 
20togo said:
yep, but you don't believe in borders do you? You wouldn't have a problem with millions of people coming from overseas.
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I must confess to liking free movement around the EU and the ability for me to live abroad. Not sure why that matters on this subject, I was merely being factual on the process of asylum and how "illegal" immigration could be reduced by allowing people who could claim do so from abroad. Instead people who may have a valid claim have no option but to enter illegally. Do you not think that could be changed?
 
Shandypants said:
I must confess to liking free movement around the EU and the ability for me to live abroad. Not sure why that matters on this subject, I was merely being factual on the process of asylum and how "illegal" immigration could be reduced by allowing people who could claim do so from abroad. Instead people who may have a valid claim have no option but to enter illegally. Do you not think that could be changed?
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It matters because if we didn't have borders which you don't like then the country would be over-run with migrants with no doubt many claiming benefits. Perhaps you believe all these migrants coming here illegally are fleeing war torn countries or they have some other reason for wanting to come here. And are most of them not young males? Does that not strike you as odd, the lack of families,women and children. Then we see the headline news on the BBC last night and guess what? Yep, it's all young males. And you don't think it's a problem.
 
One is a legal working migrant, the others aren't as legal. I don't really understand the OP. I've stayed well away from this conversation on the whole but I don't understand why someone trying to murder people with a knife has to be used to find a political point to prove.

The fact of the matter should be, the incredible bravery by this individual and how fast the response was by the public service departments such as police etc. Maybe the focus should be how well drilled they are for these type of events because no matter who the individuals are, race religion etc there is always a casual nutcase will look to do something insane.
 
Matesrates said:
The guy is a hero, it doesn’t matter where he’s from, but he’s also stupid. You don’t confront a nutter with a large knife who has already stabbed people, unless you’re a marshal arts expert and confident you can disarm him. I wouldn’t and I doubt any, on here would.
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In the heat of the moment, with adrenaline flowing, you don’t know what you would do.
My first priority would be to protect my family at all cost.
 
SeasideKurt said:
One is a legal working migrant, the others aren't as legal. I don't really understand the OP. I've stayed well away from this conversation on the whole but I don't understand why someone trying to murder people with a knife has to be used to find a political point to prove.

The fact of the matter should be, the incredible bravery by this individual and how fast the response was by the public service departments such as police etc. Maybe the focus should be how well drilled they are for these type of events because no matter who the individuals are, race religion etc there is always a casual nutcase will look to do something insane.
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Spot on Kurt.
If the hero had been a white British national the O/P wouldn’t have posted anything
 
20togo said:
It matters because if we didn't have borders which you don't like then the country would be over-run with migrants with no doubt many claiming benefits. Perhaps you believe all these migrants coming here illegally are fleeing war torn countries or they have some other reason for wanting to come here. And are most of them not young males? Does that not strike you as odd, the lack of families,women and children. Then we see the headline news on the BBC last night and guess what? Yep, it's all young males. And you don't think it's a problem.
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You didn't attempt to respond to the main point I made.
Considering the west destabilised the Arab world I do think that many are fleeing war torn countries, Syria Iraq to name a few. Would you begrudge someone trying to leave Gaza?
And you are right about the majority of asylum seekers being men. See below for a fair explanation, 81% then go onto get reunion visas. Would you bring your wife and children across the channel in a small boat, I wouldn't. I'd also do that and bring them across later

Why is there a higher proportion of male asylum seekers?
In many countries, societal expectations of men - such as being the breadwinner, or joining the army - make them a target in times of political and social unrest; but these traits also make them more likely to risk the dangers of unsafe routes, such as small boat crossings. As a result, more men make these initial journeys to the UK than women or children (although 17% of asylum applications in 2023 were from children aged 17 and under). Following grants of asylum, many young male refugees will go on to be joined by female partners through family reunion. According to the Migration Observatory, from 2012 to 2023, 81% of adults receiving refugee family reunion visas
 
SeasideKurt said:
One is a legal working migrant, the others aren't as legal. I don't really understand the OP. I've stayed well away from this conversation on the whole but I don't understand why someone trying to murder people with a knife has to be used to find a political point to prove.
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Did you not read the thread on Sunday on here? The judge and jury were out before any facts were known, the right of centre on this board were out in full force playing politics and blaming immigration.
 
Wizzerboy said:
So after the riots someone went round and collated all the details of those connected and came back with that statistic!

Disclaimer....domestic abuse is wrong and should never happen to women OR men
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Those arrested had previous convictions declared, as in any arrest and it transpired that 40%+ had convictions for domestic abuse.

Correct.
 
Wizaard said:
Those arrested had previous convictions declared, as in any arrest and it transpired that 40%+ had convictions for domestic abuse.

Correct.
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That's great but then you tried to tarnish all the blokes with your "protect are wimmin " quote showing that you think the only perpetrator of domestic abuse are men, when clearly they're not, fact.
 
Shandypants said:
You didn't attempt to respond to the main point I made.
Considering the west destabilised the Arab world I do think that many are fleeing war torn countries, Syria Iraq to name a few. Would you begrudge someone trying to leave Gaza?
And you are right about the majority of asylum seekers being men. See below for a fair explanation, 81% then go onto get reunion visas. Would you bring your wife and children across the channel in a small boat, I wouldn't. I'd also do that and bring them across later

Why is there a higher proportion of male asylum seekers?
In many countries, societal expectations of men - such as being the breadwinner, or joining the army - make them a target in times of political and social unrest; but these traits also make them more likely to risk the dangers of unsafe routes, such as small boat crossings. As a result, more men make these initial journeys to the UK than women or children (although 17% of asylum applications in 2023 were from children aged 17 and under). Following grants of asylum, many young male refugees will go on to be joined by female partners through family reunion. According to the Migration Observatory, from 2012 to 2023, 81% of adults receiving refugee family reunion visas
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and you've not answered the point i made either.
However, of course i wouldn't begrudge any Gazan trying to leave their country. However if it was a mass exodus would i expect there to be members of Hamas within them. Yep, i would. Would i want them here in the UK? No, he's a terrorist and how do you distinguish between them. We've already seen in various countries acts of terrorism. How many asylum seekers have gone missing in this country. Add in the fact re crime as highlighted by the headline report on BBC news last night.

Now all that said, your question is not an easy question to answer and i'm sure you could make plenty of counter points to my post. Certainly about the humanist element of the situation.
 
Shandypants said:
Did you not read the thread on Sunday on here? The judge and jury were out before any facts were known, the right of centre on this board were out in full force playing politics and blaming immigration.
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you mean like how the left were out in force prior to the verdict on TR. A thread which for some reason has been deleted. It cuts both ways but the lefties don't realise that, hence deletion of thread.
 
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