Bowler

I can imagine he got disenchanted at Everton, rattling round and not getting a sniff at first team action.
He's over that now, confidence regained, and showing what he can do.
And the Everton experience will have taught him to pick the right career move, not necessarily to snatch at the first opportunity.

If he'd gone to B'mouth or Forest he might have been involved in the playoffs, with a chance of Prem football next season.
But if he carries on playing like he is now - or even takes it up a notch or two - mid table Prem teams like Leeds, Palace or Southampton will be calling in the summer.
And we'll be getting a damn sight more than £1.5m.
 
Goforgoal said:
He also said Bowler didn’t turn the bid down, we did.
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Yes, he tweeted that late on deadline day. Not only can we get more for him in the summer, but we can also spend sensibly on replacements, rather than scrambling around on deadline day
 
Let's hope that SS is in talks with him to increase his wage significantly. Bournemouth may have offered 4 times the amount but if he keeps playing the way he is he will be worth 4 times as much at the end of the season.

He is a great player, let's reward him properly.
 
For the first time in his career, Bowler has shown some consistency over a period of time. Why spoil it? Suddenly he could find himself in the Bournemouth Reserves, and yet again be a forgotten man
 
I don’t like all this talk of getting more for him in the summer etc etc

He’s staying as far as I’m concerned for the next 3 years including a season in the prem and then just maybe a top 4 club ( if we are not one of them ) will pay 50 million plus for him
 
hertfordseasider said:
Let's hope that SS is in talks with him to increase his wage significantly. Bournemouth may have offered 4 times the amount but if he keeps playing the way he is he will be worth 4 times as much at the end of the season.

He is a great player, let's reward him properly.
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Wrong thing to do is break our pay structure for one player it's how you bankrupt a club because the minute you quadrople Bowlers wages to say 12k how long before Big Marv or Keshi for example knock on the door for an increase.

We have to be steady with salaries.
 
poolseasider said:
Wrong thing to do is break our pay structure for one player it's how you bankrupt a club because the minute you quadrople Bowlers wages to say 12k how long before Big Marv or Keshi for example knock on the door for an increase.

We have to be steady with salaries.
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I was thinking double them, extend his contract he can still move if the price is right but an extra £3k a week would make him ver happy.
 
What I like about the situation is that usually a bit of transfer talk unsettles players, knocks them off their stride a bit. Bowler just seems to have got better, maybe the offers from Bournemouth, forest et al have given him some more self belief and confidence?
 
AngelBFC said:
I don’t like all this talk of getting more for him in the summer etc etc

He’s staying as far as I’m concerned for the next 3 years including a season in the prem and then just maybe a top 4 club ( if we are not one of them ) will pay 50 million plus for him
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I really hope you are right Angel. If he does sign a new contract and stays then we better sort that East stand out because we will need the increased capacity. He is a special player and his excitement/entertainment value is priceless and will attract thousands more to Bloomfield Road...
 
hertfordseasider said:
I was thinking double them, extend his contract he can still move if the price is right but an extra £3k a week would make him ver happy.
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I can't see it make a difference he knows in summer he's off for big bucks and won't care what we get for him.
Yesterday Bristol's team average wage is 14k a week so why would he sign for six he knows what he can get in the Championship everyone does.
Forget him signing a new contract cash in and move on in summer we are not as yet able to pay big salaries.
 
poolseasider said:
I can't see it make a difference he knows in summer he's off for big bucks and won't care what we get for him.
Yesterday Bristol's team average wage is 14k a week so why would he sign for six he knows what he can get in the Championship everyone does.
Forget him signing a new contract cash in and move on in summer we are not as yet able to pay big salaries.
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Because it gives him some extra money for the next 6 months, it won't stop him being sold but could help increase his value.
 
We kept him for the play off push when we win promotion we can match any offers and more on his wages
 
hertfordseasider said:
Because it gives him some extra money for the next 6 months, it won't stop him being sold but could help increase his value.
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yep, sure if Bowler signs a new contract it increases his value in what we'll get for him. But what does Bowler get out of it? By not signing a new contract his agent will be touting that what all the money any club would have had to pay us should go to him as a signing on fee and more in his basic wage. Whichever way, isn't as straight forward as some would think.
 
Toastrack said:
I can imagine he got disenchanted at Everton, rattling round and not getting a sniff at first team action.
He's over that now, confidence regained, and showing what he can do.
And the Everton experience will have taught him to pick the right career move, not necessarily to snatch at the first opportunity.

If he'd gone to B'mouth or Forest he might have been involved in the playoffs, with a chance of Prem football next season.
But if he carries on playing like he is now - or even takes it up a notch or two - mid table Prem teams like Leeds, Palace or Southampton will be calling in the summer.
And we'll be getting a damn sight more than £1.5m.
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It was more like 3 million the final bid, apparently went up to 4 but who knows.
 
The thing is even if Bowler doesn't sign an extension and goes at the end of the season his value is going up still, so we should only accept at least what we would have got in Jan, should balance out with him going up in prove but less time on the contract.

But tbh if he carries on he'll be worth more. He should sign a deal anyway and continue his improvement until a prem club comes in for him, even then will he play or will he be on the bench eventually.

Get him signed if possible, doesn't mean he can't go still for the right money.

But even if he did go for the same money, its a definite win to keep him and benefit from him here, we have the pne game coming up and a better chance of winning with him here.

Also a late playoff push isn't impossible.

I'm sure though if its possible to keep him and get a new deal Simon will do it.

If not well have him for the remainder of the season and get good money and reinvest most of it.
 
20togo said:
You were accepting offers of 500k for him!
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That was really a fit of pique after Hartlepool. If you'd been there you would have paid £500k to get rid of him.
I've fallen out with lots of players in the past but I've always been delighted to be proved wrong.
 
20togo said:
yep, sure if Bowler signs a new contract it increases his value in what we'll get for him. But what does Bowler get out of it? By not signing a new contract his agent will be touting that what all the money any club would have had to pay us should go to him as a signing on fee and more in his basic wage. Whichever way, isn't as straight forward as some would think.
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Depends. If it was me talking to Bowler, I'd say we'll set a release clause at, fas, £7m or even not as a release clause, and say to Bowler any excess over that is shared, again fas, 50/50. Suddenly a £12m sale looks attractive to both parties.
 
I feel like he would have gone had the bid been accepted but fair play to him for not sulking and throwing his toys out the pram. Looks like he loves it here and must know he’s a fan favourite
 
fcblackpool said:
Depends. If it was me talking to Bowler, I'd say we'll set a release clause at, fas, £7m or even not as a release clause, and say to Bowler any excess over that is shared, again fas, 50/50. Suddenly a £12m sale looks attractive to both parties.
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yep get that, but to set a release clause of say 7 mil+ then you have to pay the player a wage commensurate with that value. Thats hard to guess of course but it would be considerably more than what he's on now. Perhaps in excess of 10k pw. Don't see us doing that or anywhere near it. All ifs and buts of course.
 
I think we need to go up via the play offs (it’s on the cards) or we will likely sell him in the summer as we can’t match these wages being offered. We won’t want to see him run his last year down either to go on a free. So promotion it is UTMP
 
20togo said:
yep get that, but to set a release clause of say 7 mil+ then you have to pay the player a wage commensurate with that value. Thats hard to guess of course but it would be considerably more than what he's on now. Perhaps in excess of 10k pw. Don't see us doing that or anywhere near it. All ifs and buts of course.
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A question of when they expect him to go. If it's in the summer, then wages would be relatively small ie a few months on double/triple with the potential to easily make that back. I'm sure the figures could be manipulated to work.
 
fcblackpool said:
A question of when they expect him to go. If it's in the summer, then wages would be relatively small ie a few months on double/triple with the potential to easily make that back. I'm sure the figures could be manipulated to work.
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We have some clever people at the club, I'm sure if they work out a way to do it they will.
 
So much has changed for him in the space of 2-3 months. It's not that long ago that JB was one of the regular rotatees. Now not starting him would be unthinkable.

What is he, 21? It was definitely right for him to stay, he doesn't need to be in a rush. He also obviously enjoys it here.

My hope would be he actually stays to the next mid season window. I know it's very unlikely, and would need a lot of stars to come into alignment, not least that we massively improve his current deal, as everyone's saying.

He'll attract even higher interest in the summer of course, and our nerve will be really tested. But just imagine for a moment that we get off to a flyer and we're round and about the top 6 next season. He would then be playing for a challenging club, similar to those now after him.

If Josh has been as integral to that as we hope and expect then the interest next Jan window will be from the low to mid table Prem teams, as mentioned and the price will increase accordingly.

Everyone would win. The only decision to take would be whether he fancied seeing our challenge through and go up a level with us instead. If he doesn't then he'll have earned himself and BFC a lot of money.
 
Unless we get promoted I'd offer the opinion that there's a snowball in hell's chance of Josh signing a new contract.
 
He’s only on 4K a week here. There’s no chance he’ll sign a new deal here. A big championship club would pay him 4 or 5 times that with a signing on fee. If a premier league team comes in for him he could get up to 10 times his current salary. As much as he loved it here, he’s hardly going to sign for doubling of his wages.
 
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Jonny, that's kind of what I mean. If we're really at it early next year, and Josh is at the hub, then come January of course he'll be going and it'll be decent Prem teams asking. The money will go up accordingly - everyone wins.
 
Atletico_Seasider said:
I really hope you are right Angel. If he does sign a new contract and stays then we better sort that East stand out because we will need the increased capacity. He is a special player and his excitement/entertainment value is priceless and will attract thousands more to Bloomfield Road...
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Really ? He might put a few on the gate but not thousands. Most fans are already attending and there is a drifting 1000 or so but I dont believe Bowler flying will necessarily make the difference and we certainly wont be getting £50m for him as in the original post. We must stay realistic.
 
Being a little cynical, what if Bowler stays and sees out his contract, and then goes for free with a big sign on payment & deal.
Who knows what is in anyones' mind????
 
20togo said:
yeah, that's already been mentioned. If he does that, then we'll have the benefit of him being here for another whole season which ain't no bad thing.
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I’d guess the club will know the answer to this by the summer. If he’s going to sign a new contract they’ll know pretty quickly.

If not sell him this summer - won’t be short of offers and probably be more acceptable than the ones we just had?
 
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