Chinese Ambassador To The Uk

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Trammo

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Disrespectful to the UK in his comments about the Hong Kong situation. Show the Commie out the door and deport the smug looking creep.
 
If you look at the way China is behaving and take into consideration the current economic climate....

The closest historical reference is probably the economic climate and the behaviour of Adolf Hitler in 1930s Germany.

...and we know how that ended!!

The world allowed AH to get away with so much before standing up to him - will they make the same mistake again or is it possibly to late with the Nuclear arsenals in play today??

It is very very worrying times 😧
 
Trammo said:
Disrespectful to the UK in his comments about the Hong Kong situation. Show the Commie out the door and deport the smug looking creep.
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I am guessing they will not deport anyone - as it is easier to listen in, watch and follow someone you know - than someone who is new and you do not know!
 
Macseasider said:
Correct.

And Brexit or no Brexit makes no difference.
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Correct - defence was never part of the EU, that job is obviously NATOs.

That said, the UK will be just an annoying fly around the Chinese.

The big problem is the Chinese will play a very very long game - in history gone by they are used to being the dominant power and just see the last few hundred years as a blip in history.

If they could do anything now which guaranteed them to be dominant in 100 years time, they would take that long term approach. VERY different to how Western politics work - ie the public can chuck you out of power in a few years!!
 
seasideone said:
If you look at the way China is behaving and take into consideration the current economic climate....

The closest historical reference is probably the economic climate and the behaviour of Adolf Hitler in 1930s Germany.

...and we know how that ended!!

The world allowed AH to get away with so much before standing up to him - will they make the same mistake again or is it possibly to late with the Nuclear arsenals in play today??

It is very very worrying times 😧
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I agree. Their intrusion along India's border and this weeks news that they have moved a new howitzer weapon to its western borders following the recent killing of Indian troops is very worrying
 
The world needs to stand up to China and start taking action. The way they treat their own people and imposing their strict regime on other countries is despicable. We survived without China before and we can again. I won’t buy nor use any Chinese business anymore and it’s time governments and people had some balls and did the same.
 
Tangojoe said:
I agree. Their intrusion along India's border and this weeks news that they have moved a new howitzer weapon to its western borders following the recent killing of Indian troops is very worrying
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The problem these days is the power of the ultimate weapon which was obviously not around in the 1930s, this is going to get scary and hopefully that is all it will be!!!!

After all we have Trump in charge and the other two potentials are a Rapper and someone who would be 78 before they took power.

GREAT!!!!!!!!!!

PS It might be time to seriously start watching Doomsday Preppers for tips!!!
 
seasideone said:
The problem these days is the power of the ultimate weapon which was obviously not around in the 1930s, this is going to get scary and hopefully that is all it will be!!!!

After all we have Trump in charge and the other two potentials are a Rapper and someone who would be 78 before they took power.

GREAT!!!!!!!!!!

PS It might be time to seriously start watching Doomsday Preppers for tips!!!
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Is the rapper not just playing into Donalds tiny hands by splitting the vote?
 
The Rapper has professed to be a Trump supporter. But, somehow, I don’t think many of the “Trump Base” would consider voting for him. So, perhaps he should stand aside in case he splits the anti-Trump vote. On the other hand, why should an African American be dissuaded from standing?
 
Trammo said:
Disrespectful to the UK in his comments about the Hong Kong situation. Show the Commie out the door and deport the smug looking creep.
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Obviously not couched in diplomatic language but I have some sympathy for this view. First remove Huawei from our IT infrastructure, then make it clear to the Chinese Ambassador that we support India in it's border claims and third, make representation in the strongest terms to the UN about the UK's opposition to China's autocratic intervention in Hong Kong's judicial system.
 
As said China arent overly concerned about diplomacy or what anybody else thinks. Russia is broadly the same as well as the Saudis and no doubt a number of other nations.
Im certainly no fan of 'trumps' america but it is a democracy he will be gone.
It seems like many more sinister regimes get a free pass on racism and human rights violations.
 
seasideone said:
Correct - defence was never part of the EU, that job is obviously NATOs.

That said, the UK will be just an annoying fly around the Chinese.

The big problem is the Chinese will play a very very long game - in history gone by they are used to being the dominant power and just see the last few hundred years as a blip in history.

If they could do anything now which guaranteed them to be dominant in 100 years time, they would take that long term approach. VERY different to how Western politics work - ie the public can chuck you out of power in a few years!!
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I think you undersell the UK here. China has decided to take its autocratic path far away from Mao or Communism. It sees it's future political power through the economic power of capitalist business.
Hong Kong, as a financial market hub, is massively important to the Chinese. Increased autocratic meddling in the day to day policing of the Island might just put enough jitters in its resident traders (Sadler?), to encourage them to head off to Wall Street, the City or Frankfurt....(more likely Tokyo), but the point is made. Also, the world knows that "one state, two systems" is a Sino-British agreement embedded in international law. I don't see China wanting to pull up the international drawbridge.
I know China wants to big itself up in the Pacific but India, again with its Commonwealth connections, is taking itself out of its natural orbit of influence. If the UK can play a strong and subtle hand here then our influence should not be underestimated.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Obviously not couched in diplomatic language but I have some sympathy for this view. First remove Huawei from our IT infrastructure, then make it clear to the Chinese Ambassador that we support India in it's border claims and third, make representation in the strongest terms to the UN about the UK's opposition to China's autocratic intervention in Hong Kong's judicial system.
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So not very comfy then ? 😄
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I think you undersell the UK here. China has decided to take its autocratic path far away from Mao or Communism. It sees it's future political power through the economic power of capitalist business.
Hong Kong, as a financial market hub, is massively important to the Chinese. Increased autocratic meddling in the day to day policing of the Island might just put enough jitters in its resident traders (Sadler?), to encourage them to head off to Wall Street, the City or Frankfurt....(more likely Tokyo), but the point is made. Also, the world knows that "one state, two systems" is a Sino-British agreement embedded in international law. I don't see China wanting to pull up the international drawbridge.
I know China wants to big itself up in the Pacific but India, again with its Commonwealth connections, is taking itself out of its natural orbit of influence. If the UK can play a strong and subtle hand here then our influence should not be underestimated.
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HK is indeed a massively important economic market for China - hence why they’ve held back as long as they have.

But will Western Businesses now give them a harsh pull on the leash? And make them realise they’ve just got another City facing the South China Sea, which doesn’t automatically bring access to the Western Financial Markets.

Or maybe it does? HSBC for instance haven’t adopted a position as far as I’ve seen?

Dunno. But the stars are realigning in Gemini. And there’s all sorts of stuff going on in Sagittarius.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
HK is indeed a massively important economic market for China - hence why they’ve held back as long as they have.

But will Western Businesses now give them a harsh pull on the leash? And make them realise they’ve just got another City facing the South China Sea, which doesn’t automatically bring access to the Western Financial Markets.

Or maybe it does? HSBC for instance haven’t adopted a position as far as I’ve seen?

Dunno. But the stars are realigning in Gemini. And there’s all sorts of stuff going on in Sagittarius.
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I was with you up until your Russell Grant moment.
 
67,880,000 UK population versus the 1,439,085,892 China population. Only one winner. We are outnumbered more than 21 times. It would be like Vanuatu making demands on the UK to pull out of Northern Ireland.
 
yeah but China aren't just pissing the UK off right now are they. Don't think India and Australia are on the BFF list either
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I think you undersell the UK here. China has decided to take its autocratic path far away from Mao or Communism. It sees it's future political power through the economic power of capitalist business.
Hong Kong, as a financial market hub, is massively important to the Chinese. Increased autocratic meddling in the day to day policing of the Island might just put enough jitters in its resident traders (Sadler?), to encourage them to head off to Wall Street, the City or Frankfurt....(more likely Tokyo), but the point is made. Also, the world knows that "one state, two systems" is a Sino-British agreement embedded in international law. I don't see China wanting to pull up the international drawbridge.
I know China wants to big itself up in the Pacific but India, again with its Commonwealth connections, is taking itself out of its natural orbit of influence. If the UK can play a strong and subtle hand here then our influence should not be underestimated.
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"Strong and subtle" - are you aware who our PM is? 😧
 
Jefflynnessongsheet said:
The world needs to stand up to China and start taking action. The way they treat their own people and imposing their strict regime on other countries is despicable. We survived without China before and we can again. I won’t buy nor use any Chinese business anymore and it’s time governments and people had some balls and did the same.
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Very difficult not to buy goods from Chinese businesses. (Indirectly anyway)
 
Do you actually know how embedded China are in our businesses, universities and infra structure? They have an interest in airports, nuclear power, utility services. This list goes on, during austerity we were glad/deserate to take their money.
 
Shandypants said:
Do you actually know how embedded China are in our businesses, universities and infra structure? They have an interest in airports, nuclear power, utility services. This list goes on, during austerity we were glad/deserate to take their money.
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Hugely. So we should stop it and something we should not ignore is the value to them of the UK market. Stop buying Chinese goods, you are feeding a totalitarian state with an awful human rights record and a massive polluter to boot!You never know you may just create proper manufacturing jobs in the UK.
Not easy to do but not impossible.
 
The Vendor said:
Hugely. So we should stop it and something we should not ignore is the value to them of the UK market. Stop buying Chinese goods, you are feeding a totalitarian state with an awful human rights record and a massive polluter to boot!You never know you may just create proper manufacturing jobs in the UK.
Not easy to do but not impossible.
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Trading on WTO terms isn't go to be much incentive to create proper manufacturing jobs.
 
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