Matesrates
Well-known member
Having my second AZ jab this morning, has anyone been put off by reports of clotting?
Apparently the risk is lower if people are taking Viagra so you should be fine mateHaving my second AZ jab this morning, has anyone been put off by reports of clotting?
That's my sort of odds, and I don't bet.Not put off at all, the risk of catching Covid is far far greater than the risk of getting a blood clot the link of which is not yet proven. 30 cases against 18+ million AZ vaccinations
Indeed, I can't help wondering why AZ is being placed under so much scrutiny. My intuition is as follows;That's my sort of odds, and I don't bet.
Crazy scare stories are having an impact, and the impact is that avoidable Covid deaths are happening across those countries where Politicians have slagged AZ off. There are no statistical differences with other vaccines and clotting, yet no one is talking about them.
And then of course, the chances of dying from an accident in the home is greater again.Indeed, I can't help wondering why AZ is being placed under so much scrutiny. My intuition is as follows;
- Every AZ course of jabs administered at cost price costs one of the other big pharma companies something like 10 or 20 USD in pure profit
- Some politicians want to discredit AZ and the UK's vaccination approach because they have made some massive and deadly mistakes in procuring and delivering vaccines for their own populations
- anti-vaxxers want to disrupt the vaccination programme
In the UK there have been 7 deaths from 18 million vaccinations and it is unclear how many of these 7 are above what would normally be expected. These odds are almost negligable, it's sort of like never leaving your home in case you are killed in a car accident (except that these odds are far higher) - a risk but a very small one.
Indeed, I can't help wondering why AZ is being placed under so much scrutiny. My intuition is as follows;
- Every AZ course of jabs administered at cost price costs one of the other big pharma companies something like 10 or 20 USD in pure profit
- Some politicians want to discredit AZ and the UK's vaccination approach because they have made some massive and deadly mistakes in procuring and delivering vaccines for their own populations
- anti-vaxxers want to disrupt the vaccination programme
Yet there'll still be these here clamouring to go on holiday to the EU as soon as possible, like frickin lemmings.A big day today for the AZ vaccine, with the EMA to decide on its efficacy after further criticism. Following its announcement, EU health ministers will meet later today to determine whether the AZ vaccine should be abandoned. The UK's MHRA will also make an announcement later today. The EU is now in total chaos, with eastern member states acquiring vaccines outside of the EU and now Spain secretly obtaining Sputnik V jabs from Russia.
Whichever way this goes, it's looking bad for the EU. If AZ is banned, then there will be a dearth of vaccines for EU countries to use, the virus is likely to spread, economies will remain in lockdown and protests will escalate. If the jab is given backing, people are now so scared of it because of the propaganda they will refuse vaccinations, leaving them unused and the countries still in a mess.
The UK's so far smooth roll out only compounds the EU's problems and even the EC, France and Germany heaping blame on the UK isn't going to persuade the citizens of Europe for very much longer that we are to blame for their predicament.
Just booked my second jab for this Sunday, I’ll make sure I look both ways before I cross the road to the health centre!
Yeh, I’ve got the 11.20 slot, what time’s yours?Are you at Lytham Levi? I'm there too on Sunday morning. What time are you on?
10 am. Thought I'd get in earlier before you buggers started contaminating the place.Yeh, I’ve got the 11.20 slot, what time’s yours?
Oooh yer cheeky beggar!10 am. Thought I'd get in earlier before you buggers started contaminating the place.
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You'd love it wouldn't you. You just jump on anything negative about the UK whilst continuing to defend the absolute hash your beloved EU have made of the vaccine rollout. Have you ever thought of getting some counselling for your continually negative mindset?Oh what an irony it is now the UK faces banning the AZ jab for certain age groups after all the political froth we saw on this board when France and Germany did the same.
I didn't know there were stats showing how many people had died in a car crash on their way to getting the jab? Jeez, it's unfortunate to die in a car crash but to die in a car crash on your way to getting the jab is really a double dose of bad luck. Where did you get this stat from, fy8?You're much more likely to die in a car crash on the way to getting the jab.
You are looking very stupid with this comment now, are you not Mr. Doom&Gloom.Oh what an irony it is now the UK faces banning the AZ jab for certain age groups after all the political froth we saw on this board when France and Germany did the same.
AZ will not be given to u30s now. Breaking news.You are looking very stupid with this comment now, are you not Mr. Doom&Gloom.
It's not me that looks stupid. It's those that kept saying France and Germany were making their decisions based on politics, not as I pointed out on numerous occasions, based on a lack of scientific test data for certain age groups.You are looking very stupid with this comment now, are you not Mr. Doom&Gloom.
You can’t stop making a fool of yourself can you?It's not me that looks stupid. It's those that kept saying France and Germany were making their decisions based on politics, not as I pointed out on numerous occasions, based on a lack of scientific test data for certain age groups.
Now the UK is following the same path as France and Germany, it will be interesting to see how this is viewed by those so critical of those countries.
The MHRA/EMA compare the rates of AZ versus PFizer and there were statistically more cases in the AZ clusterApparently “Every 37 seconds someone in the western world dies from a venous thromboembolism (VTE)”*
After 18M AZ vaccinations and only a handful of blood clot incidents which may or may not be related to that vaccination, you could argue the case that the AZ Vaccine is a blood clot preventative!
I was sick as a chip after my first AZ dose, but I’m looking forward to my 2nd dose at the end of April - I might lose another half stone to boot!
*Source - Thrombosis UK
Not quite accurate. It’s a preference not an instruction. Please quote facts and not more scaremongering.AZ will not be given to u30s now. Breaking news.
And “the chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one” he saidThe MHRA/EMA compare the rates of AZ versus PFizer and there were statistically more cases in the AZ cluster
No we’re not. Fact not fiction.Now the UK is following the same path as France and Germany, it will be interesting to see how this is viewed by those so critical of those countries
Didn't Germany and France put the AZ jab on hold for certain age groups, which drew claims on this board of political games? Now the UK does the same, you try to deny it.No we’re not. Fact not fiction.
No he can't cruzzer. He must be absolutely gutted to see how badly his beloved EU has managed the vaccine rollout. So much so that he resorts to lies to try and discredit the UK. He's floundering and looking increasingly more stupid and desperate with every post.You can’t stop making a fool of yourself can you?
The fact remains that because of the behaviour of Merkel and Macron and the language they were using to put fear into their respective citizens by banning the AZ vaccine against the recommendations from the WHO and the EMA, it may well have cost lives far greater than those who may have died from a blood clot the link of which is still not yet proven.Oh what an irony it is now the UK faces banning the AZ jab for certain age groups after all the political froth we saw on this board when France and Germany did the same.