Club Statement

Lets be honest the recent club statements look like they have been written by a teenage girl going through puberty

Knee jerk at best

What happened to the racist fan that the club jumped on for allegedly abusing that player?
All gone quiet hasn't it and that's how it'll probably remain.

Hurtful accusations thrown out, almost impossible for a player to hear something from further away than other fans and stewards etc and them not hear or see anything.

I watched back the full game on TTV at that point and there's nothing to be gained there, you'd imagine the club and police have access to all footage etc and still nothing concrete at all and police admitted so apparently did I read?
 
OO had to be dragged out kicking and screaming . Desperate to hold on to the club.
Yep as it was the fulcrum of his uniquely opaque multiple interlinked corporate structures and wasn’t keen on it all unraveling I imagine.
 
And if they did would you say the same? No you wouldn't.

Can you explain why it's misogynistic?
It was implying that teenage girls are hormonal and histrionic and therefore for some reason not able to write well. The fact he put ‘going through puberty’ backs this up.

He didn’t say boy JJ, so your argument is totally totally moot.

And he wouldn't have said boy.
 
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A couple of points. I'm very much not an expert, just going from the articles I've read.

1. The HK Securities and Futures commission is a very different entity to the Criminal courts in Hong Kong, and even further removed from the SSP in Mainland China with their famous 99.9% conviction rates.
2. There are concerns about the continued independence of regulatory bodies in HK, but those are more to do with Chinese courts being able to apply judgements in HK against their own citizens and arbitrarily seize assets. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rcial-disputes-under-new-law?ref=upstract.com)
3. I may be way off, but would penalties handed out by the HK SFC be roughly in line with the equivalent US regulatory commission? It might be comparing Apples and Tangerines to look at the Morgan Stanley punishment 2 years earlier, but it certainly seems more than a slap on the wrist, if he's found guilty.


FT Article Quotes:

Hong Kong’s financial regulator has launched criminal proceedings in an insider dealing case against hedge fund Segantii Capital Management and its founder and director, Blackpool Football Club owner Simon Sadler. The Chinese territory’s Securities and Futures Commission said on Thursday it had also started proceedings against former Segantii trader Daniel LaRocca. According to an SFC statement, the charges relate to dealing in the shares of an unnamed company listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange before a block trade in June 2017.

“This is a big deal. It’s rare to see criminal charges of this magnitude brought against a prominent fund manager,” said Kher Sheng Lee, Asia-Pacific co-head of the Alternative Investment Management Association, a hedge fund industry body.
Sadler and LaRocca did not make any pleas at a court hearing on Thursday, the SFC said. Sadler was released on cash bail of HK$1mn ($128,000) and LaRocca on bail of HK$500,000, it said, adding that the case had been adjourned to June 12....

...Segantii was known to be among the most prolific buyers of blocks, and Sadler built strong relationships with big banks as a go-to liquidity provider. However, block trading came under intense scrutiny...in March 2021 when banks, including Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, Morgan Stanley and Nomura, were left with billions of dollars worth of stock in a handful of companies to offload.

In January, Morgan Stanley agreed to pay $249mn to settle federal investigations into misconduct at its block trading business and one of its former top investment bankers admitted to leaking confidential information to clients. The US Securities and Exchange Commission issued the former head of Morgan Stanley’s US equity syndicate desk, Pawan Passi, with a $250,000 civil penalty and barred him from working in the industry.

In 2022, the Financial Times revealed that Bank of America and Citigroup had suspended equity trading with Segantii due to concerns about the hedge fund’s bets on the sale of blocks of shares. The banks’ moves were a rare roadblock for 54-year-old Sadler, whose ambitious risk-taking has reaped large rewards, both at his hedge fund and elsewhere.
 
You have to bear in mind that this is now subject to the Hong Kong justice system. The impacts are not just legal they are reputational foe the business and if I was Sadler I would be thinking about surgery in all his businesses and may be some rebranding. The beginning of the end I suspect at BFC. He will be sh**ing himself.
No he won’t. They’ll deal, settle life goes on.
 
It was implying that teenage girls are hormonal and histrionic and therefore for some reason not able to write well. The fact he put ‘going through puberty’ backs this up.

He didn’t say boy JJ, so your argument is totally totally moot.

And he wouldn't have said boy.
I'm sure if he said boy it would have had a similar meaning, as young lads going through puberty can be all over the place, moody, more aggressive. But no-one would be getting upset about it. All this labelling is ott for me.
 
I'm sure if he said boy it would have had a similar meaning, as young lads going through puberty can be all over the place, moody, more aggressive. But no-one would be getting upset about it. All this labelling is ott for me.
But he didn’t, because he meant girl. So the argument is moot.
 
A couple of points. I'm very much not an expert, just going from the articles I've read.

1. The HK Securities and Futures commission is a very different entity to the Criminal courts in Hong Kong, and even further removed from the SSP in Mainland China with their famous 99.9% conviction rates.
2. There are concerns about the continued independence of regulatory bodies in HK, but those are more to do with Chinese courts being able to apply judgements in HK against their own citizens and arbitrarily seize assets. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rcial-disputes-under-new-law?ref=upstract.com)
3. I may be way off, but would penalties handed out by the HK SFC be roughly in line with the equivalent US regulatory commission? It might be comparing Apples and Tangerines to look at the Morgan Stanley punishment 2 years earlier, but it certainly seems more than a slap on the wrist, if he's found guilty.


FT Article Quotes:

Hong Kong’s financial regulator has launched criminal proceedings in an insider dealing case against hedge fund Segantii Capital Management and its founder and director, Blackpool Football Club owner Simon Sadler. The Chinese territory’s Securities and Futures Commission said on Thursday it had also started proceedings against former Segantii trader Daniel LaRocca. According to an SFC statement, the charges relate to dealing in the shares of an unnamed company listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange before a block trade in June 2017.

“This is a big deal. It’s rare to see criminal charges of this magnitude brought against a prominent fund manager,” said Kher Sheng Lee, Asia-Pacific co-head of the Alternative Investment Management Association, a hedge fund industry body.
Sadler and LaRocca did not make any pleas at a court hearing on Thursday, the SFC said. Sadler was released on cash bail of HK$1mn ($128,000) and LaRocca on bail of HK$500,000, it said, adding that the case had been adjourned to June 12....

...Segantii was known to be among the most prolific buyers of blocks, and Sadler built strong relationships with big banks as a go-to liquidity provider. However, block trading came under intense scrutiny...in March 2021 when banks, including Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, Morgan Stanley and Nomura, were left with billions of dollars worth of stock in a handful of companies to offload.

In January, Morgan Stanley agreed to pay $249mn to settle federal investigations into misconduct at its block trading business and one of its former top investment bankers admitted to leaking confidential information to clients. The US Securities and Exchange Commission issued the former head of Morgan Stanley’s US equity syndicate desk, Pawan Passi, with a $250,000 civil penalty and barred him from working in the industry.

In 2022, the Financial Times revealed that Bank of America and Citigroup had suspended equity trading with Segantii due to concerns about the hedge fund’s bets on the sale of blocks of shares. The banks’ moves were a rare roadblock for 54-year-old Sadler, whose ambitious risk-taking has reaped large rewards, both at his hedge fund and elsewhere.
It’s now being reported that someone called Tony Psarianos, a banker with Merrill Lynch/Bank of America, may also be implicated (as the person who allegedly leaked the inside information if I’ve read it correctly). That might explain why Bank of America suspended trading in 2022. Worryingly it might also be an indication that the US authorities could also be involved, not just HK.
 
It’s now being reported that someone called Tony Psarianos, a banker with Merrill Lynch/Bank of America, may also be implicated (as the person who allegedly leaked the inside information if I’ve read it correctly). That might explain why Bank of America suspended trading in 2022. Worryingly it might also be an indication that the US authorities could also be involved, not just HK.
US authorities have already decided that any wrongdoing was by the banks not the hedge funds… and the penalty for Morgan Stanley was a lot smaller than expected

No guarantee HK SFC takes the same view, of course (in fact it seems not). Although a court will have to listen to both arguments.
 
US authorities have already decided that any wrongdoing was by the banks not the hedge funds… and the penalty for Morgan Stanley was a lot smaller than expected

No guarantee HK SFC takes the same view, of course (in fact it seems not). Although a court will have to listen to both arguments.
I think you may be thinking about a different investigation. Morgan Stanley is different to Merrill Lynch.
 
So are you saying that, after an investigation, the US authorities have decided not to pursue Segantii? And do you have a link to that as it’d put my mind at rest on that issue at least.
Trying to find the article, but the basic thrust is that it was illegal for the banks to be doing it but the hedge funds were 🤷 because the banks were only hinting, not explicitly pointing to a company.
 
US authorities have already decided that any wrongdoing was by the banks not the hedge funds… and the penalty for Morgan Stanley was a lot smaller than expected

No guarantee HK SFC takes the same view, of course (in fact it seems not). Although a court will have to listen to both arguments.
In that case you'd hope and expect them to follow suit.

If so then why the big song and dance with this case, unless just to go through the process themselves and ultimately reach the same conclusion.
 
In that case you'd hope and expect them to follow suit.

If so then why the big song and dance with this case, unless just to go through the process themselves and ultimately reach the same conclusion.
The HK process is already an escalation over anything the SEC has done or might do.

Sadler and Segantii have been charged with criminal offences.
 
Pilley was a wrong un over decades, as was pointed out numerous times, and was convicted of essentially robbing the vulnerable with the tariffing system.

This is completely different.
No it’s not. You think this will be the the first instance of s and insider trading or do you think it’s the first time the prosecution has something that might stick? Do you think more or less people are affected by Pilley or by insider trading which can involve people losing their livelihood or life savings through no fault of their own? Don’t defend the indefensible.
 
Some good insight on this thread.

But, pray, do tell me, is it a problem for BFC, indirectly of course?
Twofold as I see it.

Reputational damage for Segantii impacts on BFC funding.

A conviction results in a disqualification order. Either from the EFL or the independent regulator depending on timing. And then there’s a forced sale. Look at the thread on Wycombe to give you an idea of the current market.
 
Some good insight on this thread.

But, pray, do tell me, is it a problem for BFC, indirectly of course?
No not really. His assets will be squirreled away and ring fenced. He’ll deal , the Chinese Tao of Business is partnerships so reorganize and maybe on the looks matter hire a new compliance person but life will go on as usual. The only downside is the massive debt he has ladled the club with. Don’t worry.
 
No not really. His assets will be squirreled away and ring fenced. He’ll deal , the Chinese Tao of Business is partnerships so reorganize and maybe on the looks matter hire a new compliance person but life will go on as usual. The only downside is the massive debt he has ladled the club with. Don’t worry
Is it not possible those assets may get frozen to ensure any potential future financial penalties can be met? I’d be concerned as to the impact that may have on funding the club.
 
No not really. His assets will be squirreled away and ring fenced. He’ll deal , the Chinese Tao of Business is partnerships so reorganize and maybe on the looks matter hire a new compliance person but life will go on as usual. The only downside is the massive debt he has ladled the club with. Don’t worry.
They lock people up for carrying an umbrella, I don’t think they’d be worried about locking up criminal insider trading.
 
It was implying that teenage girls are hormonal and histrionic and therefore for some reason not able to write well. The fact he put ‘going through puberty’ backs this up.

He didn’t say boy JJ, so your argument is totally totally moot.

And he wouldn't have said boy.
So if i had said teenage boys you would have been fine with it

Hypocrite
 
No it’s not. You think this will be the the first instance of s and insider trading or do you think it’s the first time the prosecution has something that might stick? Do you think more or less people are affected by Pilley or by insider trading which can involve people losing their livelihood or life savings through no fault of their own? Don’t defend the indefensible.
So it's indefensible? Are you the Chinese prosecutor?

Nothing has happened yet. Let's see what happens.
 
Oyston, Belokon, Sadler. It would be nice to have people with ownership shares in the club who aren’t in court for something shady.
 
You didn’t say boy and therefore I have never said what my reaction would be if you had. Ergo your hypocrite tag isn’t valid.

You said teenage girl and made references to puberty. Ergo that’s the discussion.
But i could have said boy and if i did would you be so outraged?
 
Aside from Phil and Lala's dispute, what an interesting thread and puts me slightly at ease that there is no major concern here - money will be ring fenced for next season anyway and just depends how much Sadler will now take a step back and leave it to his team at BFC!
 
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