Newholland
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Unfortunately a third wave has washed ashore on mainland Europe... we should be able to keep it at bay... but will we?
No chance with all the selfish people heading abroad for a week in the sun.Unfortunately a third wave has washed ashore on mainland Europe... we should be able to keep it at bay... but will we?
Macron is Europe's version of Trump IMHO.I see Macron is coming under increased pressure.
Refused a third lock down in January when all his medical experts advised him to do so.
So finally a lockdown comes in to force this week which has come far too late as the infection rate is now through the roof and Macron is trying to turn it around by blaming everyone but himself.
And people go on about Boris.
I wish we could, but holidays are banned to all destinations at the moment..No chance with all the selfish people heading abroad for a week in the sun.
Do you?I love the EU
First one in the net, would have put my boat up against who would reply first.Do you?
Nobody can praise such a toxic organisation.Ive noticed there’s a sudden lack of praising the E U on here at the moment.
It is indeed but when you have relentless negativity from so many on here with regards to the UK and the EU it's good to celebrate something we've been ahead of the game in. Pity that so many remainers are reluctant to do that though.Said it many times. Our ‘independence’ has proven highly advantageous in terms of vaccine rollout. And the union - and acting like one - has been problematic for the individual states of the EU as there has to be some level of fairness to the rollout over a 27 countries with a population 7 times the size of the U.K.
But we’re also talking about a very specific issue and situation. Using it as a benchmark for the benefits and drawbacks of being a member is flawed beyond belief.
I don’t think it can be a permanent benchmark as such.Said it many times. Our ‘independence’ has proven highly advantageous in terms of vaccine rollout. And the union - and acting like one - has been problematic for the individual states of the EU as there has to be some level of fairness to the rollout over a 27 countries with a population 7 times the size of the U.K.
But we’re also talking about a very specific issue and situation. Using it as a benchmark for the benefits and drawbacks of being a member is flawed beyond belief.
TBF they’ve not got much to backslap about in vaccination terms.Got my 1st Vaccine in Singapore a week on Monday and the second four weeks later
Only Pfizer and Moderna are approved here - happy to have either. I would also have the AZ one in a shot
They are just getting on with it here, no back slapping - just delivering.
Fair play to the UK though, what they have achieved is simply staggering and what the EU have achieved is simply staggering as well but for all the wrong reasons!!!!
Why?TBF they’ve not got much to backslap about in vaccination terms.
This.Another thread populated by brexiteers, whom despite "winning" are still an angry EU obsessed bunch. You're like a bunch of Victor Meldrew's.
Another classic is the take about our "independence" speeding things up. That is not correct, then again it doesn't suit the culture war does it.
None of these successes can be chalked up to Brexit. As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). [1] This legislation still applies to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine. They decided not to for political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”. The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them
....as I was saying. Another bitter angry post from one of the chief protagonist remainers. It's you remainers that are the angry ones and can't move on.Another thread populated by brexiteers, whom despite "winning" are still an angry EU obsessed bunch. You're like a bunch of Victor Meldrew's.
Another classic is the take about our "independence" speeding things up. That is not correct, then again it doesn't suit the culture war does it.
None of these successes can be chalked up to Brexit. As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). [1] This legislation still applies to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine. They decided not to for political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”. The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them
Well they’re way behind the curve compared to the more advanced nations like the U.K.Why?
Yeh - everyone over 45 now been called in, so not too shabby.Well they’re way behind the curve compared to the more advanced nations like the U.K.
Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”. The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them
Shandy,Another thread populated by brexiteers, whom despite "winning" are still an angry EU obsessed bunch. You're like a bunch of Victor Meldrew's.
Another classic is the take about our "independence" speeding things up. That is not correct, then again it doesn't suit the culture war does it.
None of these successes can be chalked up to Brexit. As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). [1] This legislation still applies to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine. They decided not to for political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”. The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them
Yes, but they have vaccinated less than 16% of the population, which is probably less than the EU, which the WHO had described as ‘Slow Progress’.... So it’s hardly a reason for backslapping.Yeh - everyone over 45 now been called in, so not too shabby.
They did lots of professions first such as health, carers, teachers, police, delivery drivers, bus drivers, taxi drivers, airline / airport and port staff.
Still - just the one new community case today and only 30 deaths from Covid in a year.
They just responded quicker when it appeared and locked the borders, then lockdown for 2.5 months so it burnt itself out.Yes, but they have vaccinated less than 16% of the population, which is probably less than the EU, which the WHO had described as ‘Slow Progress’.... So it’s hardly a reason for backslapping.
Obviously unlike the EU Singapore got very lucky with Covid not really affecting their region particularly. So I suppose they aren’t under the same pressure as others.
I’m not sure there’s much to suggest that their response had much to do with it really... Good Fortune more likely.They just responded quicker when it appeared and locked the borders, then lockdown for 2.5 months so it burnt itself out.
Had a great track and trace system and a working app as well.
They also enforced quarantine notices and mask wearing.
Bars and restaurants open since July last year
Not much different to the UK really
Another thread populated by brexiteers, whom despite "winning" are still an angry EU obsessed bunch. You're like a bunch of Victor Meldrew's.
Even Victor Meldrew was proud to be British though.
Not luck, they planned for a pandemic and executed that plan.I’m not sure there’s much to suggest that their response had much to do with it really... Good Fortune more likely.
Either way, their vaccine process is certainly slow , when compared to the U.K. So on that basis, as I said, they’ve nowt to be backslapping about..
Maybe remainers look at data rather than emotional issues. In that respect the vaccine is an unknown quantity in terms of its effectiveness. I agree the task of getting the needles in arms has worked fantastically, the 12 week delay for the 2nd is a risk, maybe the whole process will work, we don't know yet. It's a rather strange claim to raise this matter as a justification for brexit.It is indeed but when you have relentless negativity from so many on here with regards to the UK and the EU it's good to celebrate something we've been ahead of the game in. Pity that so many remainers are reluctant to do that though.
more absolute nonsense and of course being the one trick pony you are you deflect it back to our PM. I find it incredible that you launch attack after attack, non-stop personal abuse of the PM with your hatred shining through. Yet you think it's fine to do that and get no criticism back. Abuse isn't just confined to aiming at people on here and your abuse of our gov't and our PM goes way beyond factual criticism.Funny how you can have a whole thread attacking the EU and Macron in particular and none of the posters gets any personal abuse whatsoever. For what it is worth, Macron is following some deeply unpleasant policies, which threaten the French democracy in very similar ways to the Conservatives with attacks on the right to protest and islamophobic practices which I would have thought the right wingers would have been all in favour of. But of course, he is not English, so fits the need for a hate figure to get all red faced and angry about.
Boris Johnson has more blood on his complacent, corrupt and lazy hands than Macron but no doubt I will get personally attacked again for saying so.
Shandy, you're floundering and sounding increasingly desperate in defence of your beloved EU.Maybe remainers look at data rather than emotional issues. In that respect the vaccine is an unknown quantity in terms of its effectiveness. I agree the task of getting the needles in arms has worked fantastically, the 12 week delay for the 2nd is a risk, maybe the whole process will work, we don't know yet. It's a rather strange claim to raise this matter as a justification for brexit.
think you need to read my first three words again in reply to straiters post.Maybe remainers look at data rather than emotional issues. In that respect the vaccine is an unknown quantity in terms of its effectiveness. I agree the task of getting the needles in arms has worked fantastically, the 12 week delay for the 2nd is a risk, maybe the whole process will work, we don't know yet. It's a rather strange claim to raise this matter as a justification for brexit.
There's no point attacking you. You mange to make yourself look a total idiot with your posts. It doesn't need somebody else to show thatFunny how you can have a whole thread attacking the EU and Macron in particular and none of the posters gets any personal abuse whatsoever. For what it is worth, Macron is following some deeply unpleasant policies, which threaten the French democracy in very similar ways to the Conservatives with attacks on the right to protest and islamophobic practices which I would have thought the right wingers would have been all in favour of. But of course, he is not English, so fits the need for a hate figure to get all red faced and angry about.
Boris Johnson has more blood on his complacent, corrupt and lazy hands than Macron but no doubt I will get personally attacked again for saying so.
but you are a one trick pony, you talk of nothing else. You hate the Tories and the PM, you make that pretty clear so why is me pointing that out to you wrong when it's a fact.As I said yesterday, give one example where my criticism of the government cannot be backed up with evidence?
You won't though because personal attacks and bullying is all you have.
but you are a one trick pony, you talk of nothing else. You hate the Tories and the PM, you make that pretty clear so why is me pointing that out to you wrong when it's a fact.
He just did.Nobody can praise such a toxic organisation.
Anyway must dash - have a restaurant booked in 10 mins time
Too late with the lockdown last year. Thousands died because they ignored the scientific advice.I am no fan of Boris and the tory party but what is being achieved by all those including the government who all had the foresight to plan and deal with this serious threat to mankind has been nothing but staggering. They along with the Israelis have shown the world with their vaccination programmes how and what should be done, and all UK citizens should be very thankful.
Mmmm the desperation of brexiteers claiming the vaccination programme is a result of leaving the EU is a classic. Such foresight when you cast your vote in 2016.Shandy, you're floundering and sounding increasingly desperate in defence of your beloved EU.
Very nice was the food and wine tooOuch that was a low blow!