Covid jabs.
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BigHandsOliverKahn
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You can't really go off a few cases. All vaccines are known to come with side affects. It's about evaluating the overall risk from trials of thousands.
If the overall risk of a disease is greater than the overall risk of a vaccine, it makes sense to administer it. If not, then it's not worth the risk.
Some people have been known to experience blood clots and headaches having taken the vaccine. However, people who haven't had the vaccine have also suffered from the same symptoms with Covid. So the difficulty is, what is the cause of such events, the virus, the vaccine or something else? That's why you can only draw patterns from large quantities of data.
If the overall risk of a disease is greater than the overall risk of a vaccine, it makes sense to administer it. If not, then it's not worth the risk.
Some people have been known to experience blood clots and headaches having taken the vaccine. However, people who haven't had the vaccine have also suffered from the same symptoms with Covid. So the difficulty is, what is the cause of such events, the virus, the vaccine or something else? That's why you can only draw patterns from large quantities of data.
poolseasider
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A Tory backbencher brought it up the other week and was shot down by the leader of the house he wanted to know why was there was a delay in paying out to the families of the 1300+ who have died from the vaccine.
My wife was ill for a week after the first jab and three days after the second refuses to have anymore stuck in her arm because of her age she'd have been better off putting up with Covid.
My wife was ill for a week after the first jab and three days after the second refuses to have anymore stuck in her arm because of her age she'd have been better off putting up with Covid.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Went to a funeral yesterday mate of mine who was my car mechanic passed away aged just 49 heart attack in his sleep.
Another mate of mine (aged 60) has been told he needs a triple by-pass, one blocked artery a leaking valve and aorta ballooned to 3 times it’s size.
Both were 2 fully fit men who both worked and neither had any previous heart conditions.
Both had had the 3 vaccinations.
Another mate of mine (aged 60) has been told he needs a triple by-pass, one blocked artery a leaking valve and aorta ballooned to 3 times it’s size.
Both were 2 fully fit men who both worked and neither had any previous heart conditions.
Both had had the 3 vaccinations.
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rockontommy
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GeminiPool
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I'm not really keeping up with this stuff recently, but has anyone on here had a look at the recently released/leaked Pfizer documents?
Appears to show that the real trial efficacy was 12%, protection only lasted 2 weeks, and it caused huge problems in pregnant women.
Once again, the pharmaceutical industry causes untold harm, makes untold billions, and faces no consequences.
Appears to show that the real trial efficacy was 12%, protection only lasted 2 weeks, and it caused huge problems in pregnant women.
Once again, the pharmaceutical industry causes untold harm, makes untold billions, and faces no consequences.
Bloodtangerine
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That’s truly terrible mate however it doesn’t mean there is a causal link between the two things of course. Hope your mates bypass goes well
Jaffa_The_Hut
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I agree Andy it doesn’t.
I only spoke to the lad that died whenever my car/wife’s car went in for work so I last spoke to him about 3 weeks before he passed away and never spoke to him about Covid issues.
The lad waiting to go in hospital I only spoke to him on Tuesday this week we were out walking the Dogs, he’s a self employed window cleaner so a very fit bloke he said the last 6 months he’s been plagued with health conditions head aches, chest pains, constantly out of breath, generally feeling unwell on a daily basis.
He puts it down to Covid vaccinations 100% his words not mine but like I said with me going to this funeral yesterday of someone aged just 49 its got me thinking is there a link or is it just a coincidence?
Lytham_fy8
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They weren't leaked, the FDA released them, and the above claims are just social media nonsense.
No, New Pfizer Docs Don't Show That Vaccines Are Unsafe During Pregnancy
These so-called "Pfizer Docs" have been a source of several false claims.
www.snopes.com
GeminiPool
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The FDA tried to block their release for 75 years. Snopes is literally a married couple who make money through reinforcing system narratives.
Note that the snopes page doesn't actually address the claims, it merely straw-mans an argument about one particular screenshot that some people were sharing.
Note that the snopes page doesn't actually address the claims, it merely straw-mans an argument about one particular screenshot that some people were sharing.
Nazzer
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Hi
Think his brother lives in Thornton on same road as my work colleague. Was in Fleetwood yesterday and has it happens the hurst passed us on Lord St. Sad news.
tangerine_neil
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I do know a few people including my mum where they hit a vein administering the vaccine. Obviously this isn’t meant to happen in the standard procedure, but they were rushing the number of people through at the time, almost like a production line. That significantly increases your chances of a blood clot / stroke, up to a few weeks afterwards.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Let’s not forget that many people (despite the vaccine) will have also had CoViD itself. The disease is known to have an impact on the CV system.
BlackpoolWolves
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Yes, always think it's bizarre when people try to draw conclusions from anecdotal or minimal evidence.
e.g. The guy down the road and a lad I know in the pub both under 50 and both died unexpectedly last week - and they both ate cornflakes for breakfast every day for years! Do you think there's a link?
BFC_BFC_BFC
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That's the thing... Pretty much everyone has had the vaccine and likewise everyone has had CoVID... The hospital stats linked above, seem to suggest that something has caused a spike.
Bloodtangerine
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Probably
Alternatively it's quite bizarre when people don't contrast what they are told with the things they see and hear through their own experiences.
The truth is probably somewhere in between.
And to be fair to Jaffa his account reads like it is genuine and heartfelt and it isn't entirely improbable that there may be a link to covid jabs.
Keeping an open mind is often a good way to deal with these things.
Lytham_fy8
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Ok then, read the release and tell me where these claims are?
TSSeasider
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TSSJr1 has his booster jab and ended up vomiting all night.
Meant he missed Derby.
Was it his vaccine, was it a bug?
We'll never know.
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I do absolutely know that MrsTSS's running bud, had Covid and became unable to do more than a a couple of hundred metres running; this from someone who had previously done 45 mile ultra's with her.
He got a clot in his left calf, which may or may not have been Covid related.
Treating this clot with the appropriate drugs had an immediate impact on his breathlessness and it has gone within a week.
Because he was a runner, he had all the data on his various watches.
The consultants have taken that data and are using it and his treatment in some form of research.
I would strongly suggest, that anyone with breathlessness following Covid should ask about micro-clots and push them to consider clot busting drugs.
His clot, for all it was very dangerous at the time, has saved him years of breathlessness.
www.theguardian.com
Meant he missed Derby.
Was it his vaccine, was it a bug?
We'll never know.
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I do absolutely know that MrsTSS's running bud, had Covid and became unable to do more than a a couple of hundred metres running; this from someone who had previously done 45 mile ultra's with her.
He got a clot in his left calf, which may or may not have been Covid related.
Treating this clot with the appropriate drugs had an immediate impact on his breathlessness and it has gone within a week.
Because he was a runner, he had all the data on his various watches.
The consultants have taken that data and are using it and his treatment in some form of research.
I would strongly suggest, that anyone with breathlessness following Covid should ask about micro-clots and push them to consider clot busting drugs.
His clot, for all it was very dangerous at the time, has saved him years of breathlessness.
Could microclots help explain the mystery of long Covid? | Resia Pretorius
My lab has found significant microclot formation in long Covid patients. Unfortunately, these are missed in routine blood tests
www.theguardian.com
Wizaard
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Woman at work who refused the vaccine is in hospital for the third time after her 4th time of catching the virus. Selfish woman was in work on Monday saying she felt terrible but hadn't tested for covid as she'd no more tests.
Insider
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I've got a cold accompanied by a really bad cough. It's following a typical cold virus pattern for me.
This is my 2nd cold in a month or maybe a continuation of the first.
I've done 2 tests and both were negative otherwise I'd be thinking I had Covid.
These are the first 2 colds I've had since the pandemic hit us.
As far as I know I still haven't had Covid but I am of course well vaccinated, Novavax x 2 and Pfizer x 2.
This is my 2nd cold in a month or maybe a continuation of the first.
I've done 2 tests and both were negative otherwise I'd be thinking I had Covid.
These are the first 2 colds I've had since the pandemic hit us.
As far as I know I still haven't had Covid but I am of course well vaccinated, Novavax x 2 and Pfizer x 2.
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rockontommy
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I assume her bosses smell bullshit because I certainly do.
Wizaard
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She can't smell anything because she's got covid.
Each time she's had positive tests and been hospitalised 3 times. Clearly making it up, because the hospitals are practically empty and take people in for a laugh, or not suiting your narrative?
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rockontommy
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Haha...chill out. It sounds like horse shit because I've seen the exact same scenario played out at my place of work. People gaming the system. If the checks and balances are there then fair enough, she isn't a liar, but I'm dubious. Let's leave it there.
midfield general
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You will think very differently if it happens to you.
midfield general
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After my first phizer vaccine within seven days I got a blood clot which in turn gave me a heart attack.
I walk the dog every day, cycle with my mountain bike and generally keep a good level of fitness, I have had the jab's since then as I am now on blood thinners.
I walk the dog every day, cycle with my mountain bike and generally keep a good level of fitness, I have had the jab's since then as I am now on blood thinners.
Recidivist3
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Similar to above, but 7 weeks after 2nd Astra zeneca jab
hospitalised for over a week last august - (never spent a night in hospital previously) - first symptom was side affect of pneumonia but tests revealed blood clot in lungs, high and erratic blood pressure readings, over-production of calcium in blood stream (the last due to a currently non-cancerous nodule which has attached itself to the gland in my neck that produces calcium)
on blood thinners (rivaroxaban), possibly for life, because doctors don’t know why I got blood clot. On cinacalcet for calcium - surgery to remove nodule cancelled in May, re-scheduled for august. On amlodipine for blood pressure, again possibly for life
was any of it related to jabs, I have no idea, tho docs say not. possibly what happens when they look inside a 63 year old for the first time in 63 years. With hindsight, glad I got pneumonia or other issues would have gone undiscovered and untreated for longer than they did
hospitalised for over a week last august - (never spent a night in hospital previously) - first symptom was side affect of pneumonia but tests revealed blood clot in lungs, high and erratic blood pressure readings, over-production of calcium in blood stream (the last due to a currently non-cancerous nodule which has attached itself to the gland in my neck that produces calcium)
on blood thinners (rivaroxaban), possibly for life, because doctors don’t know why I got blood clot. On cinacalcet for calcium - surgery to remove nodule cancelled in May, re-scheduled for august. On amlodipine for blood pressure, again possibly for life
was any of it related to jabs, I have no idea, tho docs say not. possibly what happens when they look inside a 63 year old for the first time in 63 years. With hindsight, glad I got pneumonia or other issues would have gone undiscovered and untreated for longer than they did
BlackpoolWolves
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Hmmm... Maybe I am wrong and should trust a friend/someone down the pub/ someone who knows someone who knows someone etc. rather than the scientific experts who've spent decades refining their skills based on long term scientific based research etc. I'll take my chances.
BlackpoolWolves
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Well yes, you are probably right. But then I would be basing my opinion on a single personal experience - an emotional experience indeed. But not a predicted scientific one... but I would certainly then expect my experience to feed into the overall scientific analysis.
Of course, that data analysis might just suggest that I was just very unlucky on that occasion and there is no direct scientific correlation.
Do what you want, we all should as long as we aren't harming anyone else. But personally I wouldn't hold all scientists in such high esteem, many of them have done morally questionable things over the past100 years. I also wouldn't follow the government and national media narrative without question either. Do you know that sometimes governments lie and suppress information! This isn't conspiracy stuff it is historical fact.
Like I said the truth will be in-between the 2 extreme views on the jabs, you choose to put complete faith in governments and scientists I prefer to be a bit more open minded.
Adams Kebab
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If someone tells you it looks like it’s going to rain do you ask if they are a meteorologist?
You probably think all this started with someone eating a bat
BlackpoolWolves
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Governments? No, not at all
The nature of their job precludes them to "bending" the truth at times...too many times atm.Scientists? Yes. On the whole, I put my faith in them. They generally don't have a political axe to grind. Scientific advances are the main reason that most of us over the age of 60 are still alive in the modern world. We wouldn't have been as recently as 200 years ago.
But, of course, feel free to be "open minded" - which as far as I can ascertain from what you've said means base your opinions on what YOU think - regardless of the level of logic or scientific fact behind it. It's your choice.
BlackpoolWolves
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I don't know how it all started. Neither do you... or perhaps anyone else. The scientists haven't definitively established itIf someone tells you it looks like it’s going to rain do you ask if they are a meteorologist?
You probably think all this started with someone eating a bat
It is, my theory is stay fit, eat well, keep off the meds as long as you can.Governments? No, not at all
Scientists? Yes. On the whole, I put my faith in them. They generally don't have a political axe to grind. Scientific advances are the main reason that most of us over the age of 60 are still alive in the modern world. We wouldn't have been as recently as 200 years ago.
But, of course, feel free to be "open minded" - which as far as I can ascertain from what you've said means base your opinions on what YOU think - regardless of the level of logic or scientific fact behind it. It's your choice.
If something like covid is going to finish me off then it's probably time to go. You keep jabbing, i won't, and hopefully we both go on for a few more years.
Me open minded and you reliant on the always honest politicians and the never influenced by money and funding scientists.
todayistheday
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Alcohol, drugs, smoking and bad diet is no good for the heart. Stay healthy it could add years to your life.