Critch and his decision making

TimperleyTangerine

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I was going to post this previously, so the below is not motivated by the game today. I’m bothered about the league and our immediate to medium term future.

I like Critch, but I’m struggling with his very questionable decision making at times. He’s experienced enough now, so we need to move away from using that as an excuse.

First up, it took him an age to identify that we are toothless playing 1 up top. How many points did we give up?

Having recognised that we need 2 up top, he’s favoured Lavery & Madine, contrary to all the evidence. Madine and Jerry is a very dangerous partnership in the Championship. The evidence is there from last season and this, they work well together and make us significantly stronger as a unit. In contrast, there is little evidence that Lavery & Madine works. Madine gets frustrated, because Lavery isn’t a strike partner type of player, and is rarely close enough to be effective.

Jerry has been frozen out, and we risk losing one of the best strikers and link players in the league, and one that still has plenty of scope to improve. If this continues we’ll lose him.

Today, I was happy Jerry didn’t play, but to be clear, he wasn’t rested. Critch make a conscious decision to go with Lavery, his preferred option. I can’t fathom that.

Why Critch played Keshi today I don’t know, because the lad clearly needed a break. He’s too important in the league, and we had direct options to replace him. Could say the same about Hubby, when Garbutt was available to start.

Connolly - of course we have been short at times in the middle, but when we’ve had better options he’s played Connolly. Games we could and should have taken the initiative e.g. Birmingham, Derby. Those were games where a rot set in.

QPR - left Jerry on the bench when the game was there for the winning second half.

Today we saw Connolly against a L2 team - not his fault but he’s limited in creative ability. I feel for Kenny. It’s January, Critch could held a couple of youngsters back from moves, as a more creative option - when do you give them a chance? It’s another indication of negativity and the focus on disrupting the opposition - a L2 team! How many times did we lump it forward - against a L2 team!

Maxwell - walked back into the team.

Gabriel - was dropped to the bench when in the form of his life and outstanding for us.

Substitutions - we are often bemused by the subs or lack of. Today in the second half it was amateurish and embarrassing, but I’ll focus on Hull, as it was a repeat of what happened in some home games last season, when we kept drawing against weak opposition (games that cost us automatic). We were in control against Hull, no danger, and he withdrew our 2 wide midfielders and put on 2 defensive options. That freed their wide players and we nearly gave up 2 vital points. It was negative and we completely lost shape & cohesion. Just basic - defend as high up the pitch as you can.

Against Huddersfield, he went way over the top when Gabriel was sent off. The obvious change was Bowler for Sterling and to go 4-3-2. That would have retained our threat up top. Their goals were from shambolic defending, not because we were stretched. The second with at least 3 defenders standing watching, because we had lost shape & cohesion. Critch waved the white flag instead of being brave.

For me, we have the best squad for a decade and some very talented and valuable assets. We fans need to be careful we don’t sleepwalk into thinking we are punching above our weight, as that will only lead to disappointment and mediocrity. With this squad we should be where we are and a bit better.

It’s right that Critch is kept up to his work, because when the right offer comes, he’ll be off with kind words for us. It is right that we challenge, as well as give the fantastic support that Critch has enjoyed.

Let’s hope for a couple of additions who are ready and can make a difference - we’ve enough benchwarmers, so no thanks to the likes of Thomas from QPR.
 
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I agree with a lot of that but the obvious substitution against Huddersfield was Sterling for Madine and going 4 4 1. Madine was done but Yates was still full of running and capable of scoring a breakaway goal. Madine has qualities but he is never going to run from the halfway line and score past the 70 minute mark!!
 
Yes we have to keep supporting the manager and the players, but we shouldn’t feel as if we have to “trust in Critch“ he’s been around long enough now to know the score and I feel that at this stage, we shouldn’t be constantly questioning his team selection, tactics and substitutions. We have played more games than many below us and if they win and we keep dropping points, well be looking over our shoulder at the bottom three. There comes a time.
 
I agree with a lot of that but the obvious substitution against Huddersfield was Sterling for Madine and going 4 4 1. Madine was done but Yates was still full of running and capable of scoring a breakaway goal. Madine has qualities but he is never going to run from the halfway line and score past the 70 minute mark!!
Yes, fair point and that was another option. I think Gaz looks cooked most games, but generally gets through.
 
Of all of the o/p's points, I think Jerry's absence is the biggest mystery - that said - did he actually touch the ball when he came on yesterday?
 
Substitutions - we are often bemused by the subs or lack of. Today in the second half it was amateurish and embarrassing, but I’ll focus on Peterborough, as it was a repeat of what happened in some home games last season, when we kept drawing against weak opposition (games that cost us automatic). We were in control against Peterborough, no danger, and he withdrew our 2 wide midfielders and put on 2 defensive options. That freed their wide players and we nearly gave up 2 vital points. It was negative and we completely lost shape & cohesion. Just basic - defend as high up the pitch as you can.
Peterborough? I think you may mean Hull. Against Peterborough, Critch made a double substitution at 1-1 and both the subs that came on scored to give us a 3-1 win.
 
Of all of the o/p's points, I think Jerry's absence is the biggest mystery - that said - did he actually touch the ball when he came on yesterday?
Maybe the video of him in a club a few days ago explains it. We are seriously short of players and some are missing with Covid. I would imagine the squad has been asked to avoid such risks at the minute with Omicron so rampant?
 
Harsh and frank comments but pretty accurate. The biggest concern of all those points is perhaps how he's dealing with Yates which in my view is rather badly. I didn't mind him being left out yesterday because generally Lavery is a very adequate alternative. Let's see who he picks on saturday. For me, it has to be Yates over Lavery.
 
Harsh and frank comments but pretty accurate. The biggest concern of all those points is perhaps how he's dealing with Yates which in my view is rather badly. I didn't mind him being left out yesterday because generally Lavery is a very adequate alternative. Let's see who he picks on saturday. For me, it has to be Yates over Lavery.
Maybe Yates is pissing Critch off a bit? Who knows what goes on?
 
Maybe Yates is pissing Critch off a bit? Who knows what goes on?
Indeed, I nearly added that as a comment. As fans we don't overly know Yates's character. But from what we see on the pitch Yates doesn't seem to be getting for the want of a better expression "a fair crack of the whip". I get the point about rest and rotation but if a player is in the team and scoring goals then he should stay in the team.
 
Indeed, I nearly added that as a comment. As fans we don't overly know Yates's character. But from what we see on the pitch Yates doesn't seem to be getting for the want of a better expression "a fair crack of the whip". I get the point about rest and rotation but if a player is in the team and scoring goals then he should stay in the team.
I can well imagine that Critch was pissed off about Yates taking such a huge Covid risk mid week. Especially with the squad under so much pressure at the minute.
 
My suggestion & that’s with Bowler on the left, also him & Sterling to interchange.
Grimshaw
Gabriel Marv Keogh Garbutt

Sterling Dougal Trusty Bowler

Yates Madine
Subs Moore Lavery Connolly Casey CJ + 2 youngsters
 
Critch’s ponderous subs and seeming inability to see what’s happening during the game can drive myself and otherw up the wall.

But I’ve just listened to his post match interview and hadn’t realised that the 5 subs were restricted to 3 occasions.
I must have missed this, is this just for FA Cup games? And when was that brought in? Seems a daft rule to me and does explain why he left the final two subs so long yesterday. Not sure why he does it every other game as I’m sure in the league you just get three subs when ever? Or do I have that wrong?

I have heard a whisper Yates voiced his displeasure at his role in the team a few months ago in front of the lads after a game. Which didn’t go down well.
 
I can well imagine that Critch was pissed off about Yates taking such a huge Covid risk mid week. Especially with the squad under so much pressure at the minute.
That’s one incident / potential reason, but Jerry has been benched often. When he’s started, it’s often been as a lone striker. It is clear to me that Critch prefers Lavery over Jerry, and bizarrely that he thinks Lavery & Madine is a better partnership.

Maybe Critch struggles with managing Jerry, but that’s his job, adapting to different adult personalities. Maybe he does have favourites, but ultimately Jerry has never let us down.

If I were a Championship manager I’d be looking to put in a cheeky bid for Jerry.
 
That’s one incident / potential reason, but Jerry has been benched often. When he’s started, it’s often been as a lone striker. It is clear to me that Critch prefers Lavery over Jerry, and bizarrely that he thinks Lavery & Madine is a better partnership.

Maybe Critch struggles with managing Jerry, but that’s his job, adapting to different adult personalities. Maybe he does have favourites, but ultimately Jerry has never let us down.

If I were a Championship manager I’d be looking to put in a cheeky bid for Jerry.
Critch has said quite a few times that Yates is a joy to work with. I don't know what Critch's thinking is, but Lavery looked much more potent than Jerry prior to his injury and Critch probably wants him to play his way back into form.
 
I was going to post this previously, so the below is not motivated by the game today. I’m bothered about the league and our immediate to medium term future.

I like Critch, but I’m struggling with his very questionable decision making at times. He’s experienced enough now, so we need to move away from using that as an excuse.

First up, it took him an age to identify that we are toothless playing 1 up top. How many points did we give up?

Having recognised that we need 2 up top, he’s favoured Lavery & Madine, contrary to all the evidence. Madine and Jerry is a very dangerous partnership in the Championship. The evidence is there from last season and this, they work well together and make us significantly stronger as a unit. In contrast, there is little evidence that Lavery & Madine works. Madine gets frustrated, because Lavery isn’t a strike partner type of player, and is rarely close enough to be effective.

Jerry has been frozen out, and we risk losing one of the best strikers and link players in the league, and one that still has plenty of scope to improve. If this continues we’ll lose him.

Today, I was happy Jerry didn’t play, but to be clear, he wasn’t rested. Critch make a conscious decision to go with Lavery, his preferred option. I can’t fathom that.

Why Critch played Keshi today I don’t know, because the lad clearly needed a break. He’s too important in the league, and we had direct options to replace him. Could say the same about Hubby, when Garbutt was available to start.

Connolly - of course we have been short at times in the middle, but when we’ve had better options he’s played Connolly. Games we could and should have taken the initiative e.g. Birmingham, Derby. Those were games where a rot set in.

QPR - left Jerry on the bench when the game was there for the winning second half.

Today we saw Connolly against a L2 team - not his fault but he’s limited in creative ability. I feel for Kenny. It’s January, Critch could held a couple of youngsters back from moves, as a more creative option - when do you give them a chance? It’s another indication of negativity and the focus on disrupting the opposition - a L2 team! How many times did we lump it forward - against a L2 team!

Maxwell - walked back into the team.

Gabriel - was dropped to the bench when in the form of his life and outstanding for us.

Substitutions - we are often bemused by the subs or lack of. Today in the second half it was amateurish and embarrassing, but I’ll focus on Hull, as it was a repeat of what happened in some home games last season, when we kept drawing against weak opposition (games that cost us automatic). We were in control against Hull, no danger, and he withdrew our 2 wide midfielders and put on 2 defensive options. That freed their wide players and we nearly gave up 2 vital points. It was negative and we completely lost shape & cohesion. Just basic - defend as high up the pitch as you can.

Against Huddersfield, he went way over the top when Gabriel was sent off. The obvious change was Bowler for Sterling and to go 4-3-2. That would have retained our threat up top. Their goals were from shambolic defending, not because we were stretched. The second with at least 3 defenders standing watching, because we had lost shape & cohesion. Critch waved the white flag instead of being brave.

For me, we have the best squad for a decade and some very talented and valuable assets. We fans need to be careful we don’t sleepwalk into thinking we are punching above our weight, as that will only lead to disappointment and mediocrity. With this squad we should be where we are and a bit better.

It’s right that Critch is kept up to his work, because when the right offer comes, he’ll be off with kind words for us. It is right that we challenge, as well as give the fantastic support that Critch has enjoyed.

Let’s hope for a couple of additions who are ready and can make a difference - we’ve enough benchwarmers, so no thanks to the likes of Thomas from QPR.
spot on with that and totally agree Gabriel gives us that bit extra going forward our goals tally is better when Jordan plays alongside Bowler
 
Critch has said quite a few times that Yates is a joy to work with. I don't know what Critch's thinking is, but Lavery looked much more potent than Jerry prior to his injury and Critch probably wants him to play his way back into form.
I always find it odd when a manager (in any business) feels the need to comment that an individual is a joy to work with. On the point of Lavery being more potent, I think Jerry’s confidence was knocked that he became 2nd or 3rd choice. After carrying us to promotion I’d say he had every right to be miffed, particularly as he was often played on his own.
 
I can well imagine that Critch was pissed off about Yates taking such a huge Covid risk mid week. Especially with the squad under so much pressure at the minute.
He was out with three other players and it was Saturday night last week.

All three players started yesterday, so I don’t think it was that.
 
I was going to post this previously, so the below is not motivated by the game today. I’m bothered about the league and our immediate to medium term future.

I like Critch, but I’m struggling with his very questionable decision making at times. He’s experienced enough now, so we need to move away from using that as an excuse.

First up, it took him an age to identify that we are toothless playing 1 up top. How many points did we give up?

Having recognised that we need 2 up top, he’s favoured Lavery & Madine, contrary to all the evidence. Madine and Jerry is a very dangerous partnership in the Championship. The evidence is there from last season and this, they work well together and make us significantly stronger as a unit. In contrast, there is little evidence that Lavery & Madine works. Madine gets frustrated, because Lavery isn’t a strike partner type of player, and is rarely close enough to be effective.

Jerry has been frozen out, and we risk losing one of the best strikers and link players in the league, and one that still has plenty of scope to improve. If this continues we’ll lose him.

Today, I was happy Jerry didn’t play, but to be clear, he wasn’t rested. Critch make a conscious decision to go with Lavery, his preferred option. I can’t fathom that.

Why Critch played Keshi today I don’t know, because the lad clearly needed a break. He’s too important in the league, and we had direct options to replace him. Could say the same about Hubby, when Garbutt was available to start.

Connolly - of course we have been short at times in the middle, but when we’ve had better options he’s played Connolly. Games we could and should have taken the initiative e.g. Birmingham, Derby. Those were games where a rot set in.

QPR - left Jerry on the bench when the game was there for the winning second half.

Today we saw Connolly against a L2 team - not his fault but he’s limited in creative ability. I feel for Kenny. It’s January, Critch could held a couple of youngsters back from moves, as a more creative option - when do you give them a chance? It’s another indication of negativity and the focus on disrupting the opposition - a L2 team! How many times did we lump it forward - against a L2 team!

Maxwell - walked back into the team.

Gabriel - was dropped to the bench when in the form of his life and outstanding for us.

Substitutions - we are often bemused by the subs or lack of. Today in the second half it was amateurish and embarrassing, but I’ll focus on Hull, as it was a repeat of what happened in some home games last season, when we kept drawing against weak opposition (games that cost us automatic). We were in control against Hull, no danger, and he withdrew our 2 wide midfielders and put on 2 defensive options. That freed their wide players and we nearly gave up 2 vital points. It was negative and we completely lost shape & cohesion. Just basic - defend as high up the pitch as you can.

Against Huddersfield, he went way over the top when Gabriel was sent off. The obvious change was Bowler for Sterling and to go 4-3-2. That would have retained our threat up top. Their goals were from shambolic defending, not because we were stretched. The second with at least 3 defenders standing watching, because we had lost shape & cohesion. Critch waved the white flag instead of being brave.

For me, we have the best squad for a decade and some very talented and valuable assets. We fans need to be careful we don’t sleepwalk into thinking we are punching above our weight, as that will only lead to disappointment and mediocrity. With this squad we should be where we are and a bit better.

It’s right that Critch is kept up to his work, because when the right offer comes, he’ll be off with kind words for us. It is right that we challenge, as well as give the fantastic support that Critch has enjoyed.

Let’s hope for a couple of additions who are ready and can make a difference - we’ve enough benchwarmers, so no thanks to the likes of Thomas from QPR.
Some good points. Agree about the Subs definitely, too slow to react and identify at times. Yates should be playing especially with Madine.

Don’t agree about the benchwarmers shout though. Players suit Clubs/Coaches. Wintle this season hadn’t had a kick at Cardiff and became a key part of a midfield. Just because a player isn’t getting in another team, doesn’t mean he won’t be a success here. The trick is identifying the right player.
 
I always find it odd when a manager (in any business) feels the need to comment that an individual is a joy to work with. On the point of Lavery being more potent, I think Jerry’s confidence was knocked that he became 2nd or 3rd choice. After carrying us to promotion I’d say he had every right to be miffed, particularly as he was often played on his own.
I don't know cos I don't attend training. I think it's a tough call between Lavery and Yates and Critch uses both and we can argue all week every week about who should start. I like both players. I reckon Critch does too.
 
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