Cummings

20togo said:
Don't know if it's been mentioned before but I've just had a thought as to why Cummings hasn't resigned and the PM hasn't sacked him.
What if the PM told him to go?
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The interview made it clear that he set off without speaking to Boris or asking permission. Unless he was lying, of course.
 
td53 said:
I don't think there's some amazing dirt. I just think Boris is more scared of Cummings not being in his team telling him what to do than he is of public ridicule, which, by now, he's probably pretty inured to.

Cummings is Gove's boy. If Boris bagged him, Boris would be forever awaiting a stab in the back from within and he knows full well that both Cummings and Gove are cleverer, sharper, more cunning political operators than him. Gove would be Brutus. Boris would never see it coming.
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Your last para is my point. Dirt will flow from somewhere, be it Cummings or Gove.
Boris could ride this out and find a new advisor without a doubt, if he acts swiftly now. But he is definitely held back by mutual dirt obligations in my opinion.
 
td53 said:
I don't think there's some amazing dirt. I just think Boris is more scared of Cummings not being in his team telling him what to do than he is of public ridicule, which, by now, he's probably pretty inured to.

Cummings is Gove's boy. If Boris bagged him, Boris would be forever awaiting a stab in the back from within and he knows full well that both Cummings and Gove are cleverer, sharper, more cunning political operators than him. Gove would be Brutus. Boris would never see it coming.
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And to be honest they aren’t cleverer, they think they are , but they underestimate the nouse of the average Joe, who can see through most of this bs.
Thats the downfall of their total arrogance. But they aren’t bright enough to see that, right now.
The irony.
 
Well it's hotting up for Cummings hour by hour. Castigated by the 1922 leader, rejected by 30 tory MPs and shouted at by most of his own street. This can't go on, there is a breaking point fast approaching.
 
Tangiverse said:
Well it's hotting up for Cummings hour by hour. Castigated by the 1922 leader, rejected by 30 tory MPs and shouted at by most of his own street. This can't go on, there is a breaking point fast approaching.
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With enough determination the truth will always out.
 
Lala said:
Your last para is my point. Dirt will flow from somewhere, be it Cummings or Gove.
Boris could ride this out and find a new advisor without a doubt, if he acts swiftly now. But he is definitely held back by mutual dirt obligations in my opinion.
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They don't need dirt, they'll just brief against him, play the game, tie him in knots, turn his cabinet etc. The problem Boris has, is he's disliked intensely by a lot of his own party.

He's essentially immune from dirt. We know he shags about, we know he's got kids he doesn't acknowledge, we know he's tried to get people battered, said stuff that at best is 'questionable' about race, we know he's got stuck on a zip wire and he makes buses out of wine boxes. All of this we know and lots, lots more. It's a matter of public record, not semi hidden tittle tattle or inuendo. He's not Cliff Richard. Everyone knew who Boris was before the election. Unless he interferes with kids or dogs (which for the record, I'm not accusing him of), there is very little to say about Boris that hasn't been said before that should shock or surprise the UK electorate.

None of the above 'dirt' seemed to dissuade anyone from voting for him. Why? Cos Dom did his election campaign. Cos Dom makes him a winner. Cos Dom transforms him from a shambling loon into a man of the people. He needs Dom.

There is no conspiracy. Cummings went off and did his own thing, Boris is too weak to deal with it. Looking for a conspiracy or a smoking gun is just seeking a narrative conclusion to the story. It's what audiences expect (i.e. us)

Thats wot I think
 
td53 said:
They don't need dirt, they'll just brief against him, play the game, tie him in knots, turn his cabinet etc. The problem Boris has, is he's disliked intensely by a lot of his own party.

He's essentially immune from dirt. We know he shags about, we know he's got kids he doesn't acknowledge, we know he's tried to get people battered, said stuff that at best is 'questionable' about race, we know he's got stuck on a zip wire and he makes buses out of wine boxes. All of this we know and lots, lots more. It's a matter of public record, not semi hidden tittle tattle or inuendo. He's not Cliff Richard. Everyone knew who Boris was before the election. Unless he interferes with kids or dogs (which for the record, I'm not accusing him of), there is very little to say about Boris that hasn't been said before that should shock or surprise the UK electorate.

None of the above 'dirt' seemed to dissuade anyone from voting for him. Why? Cos Dom did his election campaign. Cos Dom makes him a winner. Cos Dom transforms him from a shambling loon into a man of the people. He needs Dom.

There is no conspiracy. Cummings went off and did his own thing, Boris is too weak to deal with it. Looking for a conspiracy or a smoking gun is just seeking a narrative conclusion to the story. It's what audiences expect (i.e. us)

Thats wot I think
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Nobody is immune from dirt when popularity fades and the pressure is on in my opinion. Especially when egos are on the line.
The dirt leverage is dirt prior to this event regardless of what Boris did or didn’t know about the Durham shambles.
 
Lala said:
Nobody is immune from dirt when popularity fades and the pressure is on in my opinion. Especially when egos are on the line.
The dirt leverage is dirt prior to this event regardless of what Boris did or didn’t know about the Durham shambles.
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But what dirt is worse than the dirt we already know? With respect, for I know you have been open about your voting and I wouldn't seek to use that against you - What could possibly suggest Boris is a less morally upright individual than we already know him not to be? Why did the considerable dirt not taint him previously? I know you've said 'not everyone is 'into' politics' but Boris's personal conduct is well known. The majority of people who put 'x' in the Conservative party box, would have been at least a bit aware that Boris is a bit morally ambiguous to say the least.

If there's yet more dirt, it's explosive and it's been kept hidden, despite Johnson being one of the most reviled individual in his own party, despite him taking part in an incredibly 'gloves off' leadership process, despite the general election... despite his consistent and enduring public profile over many year. If there was some awful, PM wrecking skeleton in the cupboard, wouldn't Cummings have just hitched his wagon to a different horse? Cummings has no loyalty to Boris - he just thought he was the best bet. If he knew something that would bring him down if it got out - it's either a personal matter between them (in which case, who cares?) or he wouldn't have supported him because if it's more than that, then inevitably, it would get out, whatever Cummings does.

I just think the simpler but less satisfying answer is, Boris is high and dry without Cummings. Think of Blair without Campbell, Corbyn without Mcdonnell even to an extent. Clough without Taylor perhaps... Boris is a front man, he doesn't have any ideas. He doesn't have any politics, he doesn't have a particular ideology or a purpose. Cummings gives him those things. Nothing in Boris's record speaks of any kind of consistent belief in anything beyond a vague liberal tory approach and an earlier dalliance with serious Thatcherism (all Tories do that, it's a right of passage, some don't grow out of it, like men in their forties with their teenage pin ups still on the wall)

I'm not saying Boris isn't clever, he is. I'm not saying he doesn't input and steer and have a say. He probably does. He's got a good sense of what will and won't work. But he's not got the strategy, the guile, the broader ideas you need to run a cabinet and a country. Dom enables that. He holds the whole thing together.

I honestly think that's a simpler answer for why he's not fired him. I also think it's more revealing than a skeleton in a cupboard in terms of who holds power and how, who you vote for is only the surface of what you vote for.
 
td53 said:
They don't need dirt, they'll just brief against him, play the game, tie him in knots, turn his cabinet etc. The problem Boris has, is he's disliked intensely by a lot of his own party.

He's essentially immune from dirt. We know he shags about, we know he's got kids he doesn't acknowledge, we know he's tried to get people battered, said stuff that at best is 'questionable' about race, we know he's got stuck on a zip wire and he makes buses out of wine boxes. All of this we know and lots, lots more. It's a matter of public record, not semi hidden tittle tattle or inuendo. He's not Cliff Richard. Everyone knew who Boris was before the election. Unless he interferes with kids or dogs (which for the record, I'm not accusing him of), there is very little to say about Boris that hasn't been said before that should shock or surprise the UK electorate.

None of the above 'dirt' seemed to dissuade anyone from voting for him. Why? Cos Dom did his election campaign. Cos Dom makes him a winner. Cos Dom transforms him from a shambling loon into a man of the people. He needs Dom.

There is no conspiracy. Cummings went off and did his own thing, Boris is too weak to deal with it. Looking for a conspiracy or a smoking gun is just seeking a narrative conclusion to the story. It's what audiences expect (i.e. us)

Thats wot I think
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Hmmmm… not necessarily a good analogy. My aunt (now 80+) was a police superintendent back in the 70s and she has a good few stories about him in his younger days.
 
BlackpoolWolves said:
Hmmmm… not necessarily a good analogy. My aunt (now 80+) was a police superintendent back in the 70s and she has a good few stories about him in his younger days.
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No, that's what I mean. Everyone has a Cliff Richard story, but they're always 'my mate says...' - it's never actually confirmed. Whereas we KNOW Boris is a scoundrel. It's not like Cliff where he has a squeeky clean image, then something tarnishes it, or you have the sense that he's hiding something. We know what Boris's skeletons are, but he just says 'whiff whaf' or witters on about Greece and we all go 'aw, Boris, you lovable scamp - now you've only gone and become PM!'

He's immune. (Whereas, Cliff would be ruined if we knew half the things about him, we know about Boris)
 
td53 said:
But what dirt is worse than the dirt we already know? With respect, for I know you have been open about your voting and I wouldn't seek to use that against you - What could possibly suggest Boris is a less morally upright individual than we already know him not to be? Why did the considerable dirt not taint him previously? I know you've said 'not everyone is 'into' politics' but Boris's personal conduct is well known. The majority of people who put 'x' in the Conservative party box, would have been at least a bit aware that Boris is a bit morally ambiguous to say the least.

If there's yet more dirt, it's explosive and it's been kept hidden, despite Johnson being one of the most reviled individual in his own party, despite him taking part in an incredibly 'gloves off' leadership process, despite the general election... despite his consistent and enduring public profile over many year. If there was some awful, PM wrecking skeleton in the cupboard, wouldn't Cummings have just hitched his wagon to a different horse? Cummings has no loyalty to Boris - he just thought he was the best bet. If he knew something that would bring him down if it got out - it's either a personal matter between them (in which case, who cares?) or he wouldn't have supported him because if it's more than that, then inevitably, it would get out, whatever Cummings does.

I just think the simpler but less satisfying answer is, Boris is high and dry without Cummings. Think of Blair without Campbell, Corbyn without Mcdonnell even to an extent. Clough without Taylor perhaps... Boris is a front man, he doesn't have any ideas. He doesn't have any politics, he doesn't have a particular ideology or a purpose. Cummings gives him those things. Nothing in Boris's record speaks of any kind of consistent belief in anything beyond a vague liberal tory approach and an earlier dalliance with serious Thatcherism (all Tories do that, it's a right of passage, some don't grow out of it, like men in their forties with their teenage pin ups still on the wall)

I'm not saying Boris isn't clever, he is. I'm not saying he doesn't input and steer and have a say. He probably does. He's got a good sense of what will and won't work. But he's not got the strategy, the guile, the broader ideas you need to run a cabinet and a country. Dom enables that. He holds the whole thing together.

I honestly think that's a simpler answer for why he's not fired him. I also think it's more revealing than a skeleton in a cupboard in terms of who holds power and how, who you vote for is only the surface of what you vote for.
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Crikey, you’re give my opinion much more thought than it’s worth 😉
Boris‘s prior personal conduct I didn’t have a clue about until after he became pm. Which backs my point about personal political engagement and I don’t have a grievance with myself about that.
When I subsequently learnt about the misgivings in his personal life I thought, ok , he who casts the first stone and all that. I wasn’t impressed for sure, but I have let people down relationships wise, haven’t we all?
I don’t feel my previous political leanings are an issue that hold much relevance now considering I am honest about those previous issues and my opinions then compared to now. That’s the beauty of not fixing your political opinions to a rigid base and being able to shift them with honesty retrospectively.
As for the rest I still believe there is more dirt that we aren’t aware of, politically, legally, morally or whatever, that is guiding BJ’s stance at the moment.
But happy to come back at a later date and surrender if this is not the case.
 
Lala said:
Crikey, you’re give my opinion much more thought than it’s worth 😉
Boris‘s prior personal conduct I didn’t have a clue about until after he became pm. Which backs my point about personal political engagement and I don’t have a grievance with myself about that.
When I subsequently learnt about the misgivings in his personal life I thought, ok , he who casts the first stone and all that. I wasn’t impressed for sure, but I have let people down relationships wise, haven’t we all?
I don’t feel my previous political leanings are an issue that hold much relevance now considering I am honest about those previous issues and my opinions then compared to now. That’s the beauty of not fixing your political opinions to a rigid base and being able to shift them with honesty retrospectively.
As for the rest I still believe there is more dirt that we aren’t aware of, politically, legally, morally or whatever, that is guiding BJ’s stance at the moment.
But happy to come back at a later date and surrender if this is not the case.
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Ha, I give everything 'too much thought' - It's kind of testing my own opinion I guess, by putting in contrast to yours. Maybe you are right. Possibly it's not 'scandal' dirt about Boris, but something about the nature of their project together...

Who knows!

I am genuinely (not in an aloof way) surprised you weren't aware of Boris's personal life. It shows what a deal he gets in the media in the main and how ridiculous the 'scummedia' campaign is. Which is almost certainly orchestrated from Tory HQ.
 
td53 said:
Ha, I give everything 'too much thought' - It's kind of testing my own opinion I guess, by putting in contrast to yours. Maybe you are right. Possibly it's not 'scandal' dirt about Boris, but something about the nature of their project together...

Who knows!

I am genuinely (not in an aloof way) surprised you weren't aware of Boris's personal life. It shows what a deal he gets in the media in the main and how ridiculous the 'scummedia' campaign is. Which is almost certainly orchestrated from Tory HQ.
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And I’m quite possibly wrong too!!

I genuinely wasn’t aware of his personal history until post election. But there is an element of me then that had to tell myself to get past my’ all men are bastards’ way of thinking ( because I’m not perfect either 😱) and vote based on the policies that meant more to me at the time.
I cannot stand the way they are attempting to mug the whole nation off now so will make my own stand based on the dishonesty I can now evidence for myself.
If that makes sense 🙏
 
It's a ridiculous notion that crops up way too often that some-one has to have dirt on some-one else for them not to do something.i
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
He’s not going to go.... Too arrogant !
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This turd won't flush
Downing Street have already announced words to the effect that the matter is closed.
The police have said the Barnard Castle trip was a minor infringement and that he might have broken the lockdown regulations with that trip. That will be enough ambiguity to defend him for the charlatans in government.

The amazing elephant in the room is that by returning to Downing Street after visiting his wife (who had suspected CV) is a clear breach of the regulations. That happened in London though and would be a case for the met to investigate.
 
As posted on the Trump thread...
bollieboy said:
This certainly asks some questions about 'his dad's ' farm.

universalcreditsuffer.com

Black Isle Media - Cummings spare cottage has no Planning or Council Tax

The "spare cottage" which Dominic Cummings claimed to stay at on his father's farm, has no planning permission nor pays any council tax.
universalcreditsuffer.com universalcreditsuffer.com
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Well, this is going to add petrol to the Scummings fire. This is going to run and run, with Scummings now implicated in alleged council tax evasion. Considering that Durham County Council is Labour-controlled, old Bozo cannot “threaten to overrule them” (I really wish Paxman was back at Newsnight right now).

This should give this thread a new lease of life... and, hopefully, a half-millennium knock for The Stranger (or is he The Foreigner?)
 
Archibald Knox said:
As posted on the Trump thread...


Well, this is going to add petrol to the Scummings fire. This is going to run and run, with Scummings now implicated in alleged council tax evasion. Considering that Durham County Council is Labour-controlled, old Bozo cannot “threaten to overrule them” (I really wish Paxman was back at Newsnight right now).

This should give this thread a new lease of life... and, hopefully, a half-millennium knock for The Stranger (or is he The Foreigner?)
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According to the Land Registry records, it isn't just his fathers cottage - Dumbdick is the joint owner.

So he was going to his second home.

I thought that was against the guidelines! I wonder what his reaction will be when this shit hits the fan?
 
I see that dear old Dom won’t have to pay the backdated council tax on his previously undeclared second home. Who’d have thought it?
 
Ollygon said:
According to the Land Registry records, it isn't just his fathers cottage - Dumbdick is the joint owner.

So he was going to his second home.

I thought that was against the guidelines! I wonder what his reaction will be when this shit hits the fan?
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Well, when Prince Charles tested positive for Covid, he travelled to his 'second home' in Scotland. Why didn't the Police also investigate him?
 
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