Cyclists should be banned from the road

Ollygon

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.. according to a Panorama enquiry.

I've never wanted to be a cyclist, and while I wouldn't go so far as to banning them, it pisses me off when they pull out without looking or signalling, driving 2 abreast, and particularly going through red traffic lights.

What do the lycra fetishists on here think?
 
I like cycling, but I totally understand why drivers get frustrated, especially with groups of cyclists. As a driver as well I find cyclists who insist on wearing black as infuriating.

However, on the flip side there are too many inconsiderate drivers, who go far too close to cyclists.

Most of the UK issues though reflect the lack of infrastructure to accommodate cyclists on the road, such as in Holland.
 
There would be a lot of negatives. More traffic and pollution, busier public transport network, people getting less exercise.
 
I like cycling, but I totally understand why drivers get frustrated, especially with groups of cyclists. As a driver as well I find cyclists who insist on wearing black as infuriating.

However, on the flip side there are too many inconsiderate drivers, who go far too close to cyclists.

Most of the UK issues though reflect the lack of infrastructure to accommodate cyclists on the road, such as in Holland.

Driving home from my daughters last night around 9pm overtook an adult cyclist pedalling like feck dressed in dark clothes no helmet and no bloody lights.

2 minutes up the road same again and yes I drove very close to him because I didn’t bloody see him.

Police need to prosecute cyclists with no lights at night plain and simple also those who ride on pavements.

Oh and don’t get me going on electric bikes/scooters. 🤬
 
There are good cyclists and bad cyclists
There are good drivers and bad drivers
It really is as simple as that.

I never wanted to ride a bike until covid hit and I thought it'd be a great way of getting out under the circumstances. Whilst there were very few cars on the road at the time it was ideal. Not so now.
As I've said above there are car owners who are very considerate, unfortunately there are drivers who intentionally try and force you out of the way🤦🏻‍♂️
I now either cycle to Fleetwood (keeping mainly to the prom) or Lytham (again trying to keep as near the coast as possible)
I also try and get out as early as possible to try and get away from using the roads in rush hour or any other busy times.

Used to love the country roads around Staining, through Wrea green and towards warton but the amount of drivers who think they're Colin McRae make those journeys too perilous imo.

I honestly don’t know how the problem can be resolved 🤷
 
.. according to a Panorama enquiry.

I've never wanted to be a cyclist, and while I wouldn't go so far as to banning them, it pisses me off when they pull out without looking or signalling, driving 2 abreast, and particularly going through red traffic lights.

What do the lycra fetishists on here think?
They are allowed to go down the middle of the lane now....

Road positioning. When riding on the roads, there are two basic road positions you should adopt, depending on the situation.

1) Ride in the centre of your lane, to make yourself as clearly visible as possible, in the following situations

on quiet roads or streets – if a faster vehicle comes up behind you, move to the left to enable them to overtake, if you can do so safely
in slower-moving traffic - when the traffic around you starts to flow more freely, move over to the left if you can do so safely so that faster vehicles behind you can overtake
at the approach to junctions or road narrowings where it would be unsafe for drivers to overtake you
2) When riding on busy roads, with vehicles moving faster than you, allow them to overtake where it is safe to do so whilst keeping at least 0.5 metres away, and further where it is safer, from the kerb edge. Remember that traffic on most dual carriageways moves quickly. Take extra care crossing slip roads.
 
When I'm cycling I think drivers are idiots and when I'm driving I think the same of cyclists. On balance, the level of road sense from cyclists has descended to new depths. Riding on pavements, through red lights, wrong way down one way streets, pulling out at junctions etc etc. The new rules allowing cyclists to ride in the middle of the road give cyclists the chance to wind up drivers, which they are delighted to take.
 
In the same way that stupid and inconsiderate drivers have led to the proliferation of driving penalties that shouldn't be . . . . .

. . . . . all the stupid and inconsiderate cyclists will drive reaction from police and then government to create a whole load of restrictions on cycling.

I have to admit the groups of lycra clad morons riding three abreast on the roads dives me nuts when I'm in the car particularly because where I live there are generally lots of cycle lanes, but they all want to believe they are riding the ** peloton

saying that i was riding back home from the next village taking the third exit off a roundabout and some c**t in a dacia pretend SUV pulled straight out at me,
 
Driving home from my daughters last night around 9pm overtook an adult cyclist pedalling like feck dressed in dark clothes no helmet and no bloody lights.

2 minutes up the road same again and yes I drove very close to him because I didn’t bloody see him.

Police need to prosecute cyclists with no lights at night plain and simple also those who ride on pavements.

Oh and don’t get me going on electric bikes/scooters. 🤬
Same for me last night on Lawsons road, Thornton, dark clothes, dark hoodie, no lights, really hard to see him.
 
When I'm cycling I think drivers are idiots and when I'm driving I think the same of cyclists. On balance, the level of road sense from cyclists has descended to new depths. Riding on pavements, through red lights, wrong way down one way streets, pulling out at junctions etc etc. The new rules allowing cyclists to ride in the middle of the road give cyclists the chance to wind up drivers, which they are delighted to take.
In all honesty, the wearing of helmets has made cyclists think they're invincible. I never used to wear one and it made you more aware of your vulnerability and acted accordingly.
 
Sorry mate they are to busy arresting people for tweets and dancing with the sosomites
I thought you were going to say their to busy stood watching the eco activists super glueing themselves to the roads and then watching the poor motorists having to take the law into their own hands.
 
The main problem isn’t bikes or other vehicles or their users. The problem is what the situation has evolved to.

By the way, the problem also isn’t seatbelts, or roll bars, or airbags, or even bicycle helmets. Anyone who thinks we were safer prior to safety measures isn’t actually thinking.

If we started again (or made a brand new town) and built our roads from scratch to be safer, and suitable for today’s purpose (vehicle type and volume), we wouldn’t have shared roads for bicycles and trucks and other motor vehicles. Why would we? We wouldn’t introduce risk unnecessarily.

But we’re not starting again. So have to deal with the hand we have been dealt.
We can’t go back in time.

(By contrast through, when we look ahead in time to fully computerised vehicles, there may be a time when road accidents will be almost a thing of the past. All vehicles will be able to utilise technology to keep them apart from each other.)

It’s too easy to stigmatise cyclists. Or blame bad car drivers. There’s good and bad in both. So let’s leave the blame game to one side as that achieves nothing.

Generally, bicycles and motor vehicles don’t mix well. There’s not enough room. There’s not enough separation. Cars have accidents with cars all the time. So it follows that cars and other motor vehicles will have accidents with pedestrians and bicycles.

There’s different types of cycle use. Commuting for example or dotting about a busy city centre to visit another office. This type of cycle use has been encouraged by Government and businesses. They’ve provided schemes to buy a bike through their employer. There’s the bikes you can hire in London etc. This type to use is green, healthier for individuals, helps reduce air pollution in towns and cities, and reduces motor vehicles journeys to keep the essential traffic flowing better. It should be seen in a positive light.
London and other cities have banned delivery trucks during daytime hours. This has helped cut down on accidents. But such measures are patchwork and inconsistent across boroughs.
Local authorities have differing approaches to the issue.
Some introduce so called cycling lanes to meet government targets. There’s loads in Cleveleys, eg all the way along Cleveleys Avenue. All they are is a white dotted line, which is often obscured with parked cars, rendering the cycle lane redundant. It’s a waste of paint. There’s no parking restriction so the car owners park on the cycle lane. So what’s the point other than hitting some ridiculous council target?
Holland has wonderful cycling lanes, often separated from the roads. The ones we see in our towns,on our shared road space, are pathetic and unfit for purpose.

Then other main use of bicycles is the dedicated fit and healthy cycling buffs who have the expensive speedy bikes and love to hit the country lanes. I can appreciate the attraction. But again it’s not very safe and again there’s often not enough space. I wouldn’t suggest banning this type of cycling but it’s probably safer in numbers. A group of cyclists are easier to spot.

As an individual I would never ride a bike again in the UK unless it was away from the roads. Eg across Bispham cycle path, or on holiday at centre parcs.

Until technology provides a solution it will remain unsafe.
It’s become even more dangerous now we see these bikes which are power assisted. They go too fast and with increased speed comes increased risk and greater consequences should there be an accident.

Should bikes be banned? No. But is the current situation sufficiently safe? No.

The easy answer would be to ban them. But there’s risk in everything. The risk with bikes needs to be reduced as much as possible by councils introducing safer spaces and better cycle lanes and other safety measures. Technology needs to be fast tracked and all vehicle users need to be more careful and respectful.

The only thing I’d ban is men from wearing Lycra when they come into Costa after their Sunday morning cycle. It’s disgusting.
 
They are allowed to go down the middle of the lane now....

Road positioning. When riding on the roads, there are two basic road positions you should adopt, depending on the situation.

1) Ride in the centre of your lane, to make yourself as clearly visible as possible, in the following situations

on quiet roads or streets – if a faster vehicle comes up behind you, move to the left to enable them to overtake, if you can do so safely
in slower-moving traffic - when the traffic around you starts to flow more freely, move over to the left if you can do so safely so that faster vehicles behind you can overtake
at the approach to junctions or road narrowings where it would be unsafe for drivers to overtake you
2) When riding on busy roads, with vehicles moving faster than you, allow them to overtake where it is safe to do so whilst keeping at least 0.5 metres away, and further where it is safer, from the kerb edge. Remember that traffic on most dual carriageways moves quickly. Take extra care crossing slip roads.
100% agree with this
I try to stay off roads as much as I can however it's not that easy

On Sunday even though I was tucked into the kerb after crossing the junction of Hornby road and Whitegate drive ( riding up to the Prom from De Vere ) trying to be considerate to cars crossing the junction one came literally within 9inches of me doing 30mph + - well inside from the centre of the road
I could have easily kicked out and touched the car it was that close 😡
 
Hospital staff nickname cyclists and motorbikers... “organ donors”.
If I was riding a bike very late at night I would definitely ride on the pavement. There is a negligible risk of knocking over a pedestrian then, but a significant risk of being hit by a car while on the road.
 
The main problem isn’t bikes or other vehicles or their users. The problem is what the situation has evolved to.

By the way, the problem also isn’t seatbelts, or roll bars, or airbags, or even bicycle helmets. Anyone who thinks we were safer prior to safety measures isn’t actually thinking.

If we started again (or made a brand new town) and built our roads from scratch to be safer, and suitable for today’s purpose (vehicle type and volume), we wouldn’t have shared roads for bicycles and trucks and other motor vehicles. Why would we? We wouldn’t introduce risk unnecessarily.

But we’re not starting again. So have to deal with the hand we have been dealt.
We can’t go back in time.

(By contrast through, when we look ahead in time to fully computerised vehicles, there may be a time when road accidents will be almost a thing of the past. All vehicles will be able to utilise technology to keep them apart from each other.)

It’s too easy to stigmatise cyclists. Or blame bad car drivers. There’s good and bad in both. So let’s leave the blame game to one side as that achieves nothing.

Generally, bicycles and motor vehicles don’t mix well. There’s not enough room. There’s not enough separation. Cars have accidents with cars all the time. So it follows that cars and other motor vehicles will have accidents with pedestrians and bicycles.

There’s different types of cycle use. Commuting for example or dotting about a busy city centre to visit another office. This type of cycle use has been encouraged by Government and businesses. They’ve provided schemes to buy a bike through their employer. There’s the bikes you can hire in London etc. This type to use is green, healthier for individuals, helps reduce air pollution in towns and cities, and reduces motor vehicles journeys to keep the essential traffic flowing better. It should be seen in a positive light.
London and other cities have banned delivery trucks during daytime hours. This has helped cut down on accidents. But such measures are patchwork and inconsistent across boroughs.
Local authorities have differing approaches to the issue.
Some introduce so called cycling lanes to meet government targets. There’s loads in Cleveleys, eg all the way along Cleveleys Avenue. All they are is a white dotted line, which is often obscured with parked cars, rendering the cycle lane redundant. It’s a waste of paint. There’s no parking restriction so the car owners park on the cycle lane. So what’s the point other than hitting some ridiculous council target?
Holland has wonderful cycling lanes, often separated from the roads. The ones we see in our towns,on our shared road space, are pathetic and unfit for purpose.

Then other main use of bicycles is the dedicated fit and healthy cycling buffs who have the expensive speedy bikes and love to hit the country lanes. I can appreciate the attraction. But again it’s not very safe and again there’s often not enough space. I wouldn’t suggest banning this type of cycling but it’s probably safer in numbers. A group of cyclists are easier to spot.

As an individual I would never ride a bike again in the UK unless it was away from the roads. Eg across Bispham cycle path, or on holiday at centre parcs.

Until technology provides a solution it will remain unsafe.
It’s become even more dangerous now we see these bikes which are power assisted. They go too fast and with increased speed comes increased risk and greater consequences should there be an accident.

Should bikes be banned? No. But is the current situation sufficiently safe? No.

The easy answer would be to ban them. But there’s risk in everything. The risk with bikes needs to be reduced as much as possible by councils introducing safer spaces and better cycle lanes and other safety measures. Technology needs to be fast tracked and all vehicle users need to be more careful and respectful.

The only thing I’d ban is men from wearing Lycra when they come into Costa after their Sunday morning cycle. It’s disgusting.
Agree with this.
 
The problem is…

if a cyclist makes a mistake and hits a car both the car and bike may be damaged and the cyclist may fall off and die, or fall under another car and die

if a motorist makes a mistake and hits a bike both the car and the bike may be damaged and the cyclist may fall off and die etc

we all make mistakes…..you see my point. I wouldn’t cycle on the road in this country
 
Of course there are bad motorists, but I’d wager the percentage of bad cyclists is far, far higher. The problem is you can buy a bike, get on it and ride on the road straight away, with no training, no knowledge of Highway Code, no idea of the normal rules of the road, no licence, no insurance.

I‘m sure we’ve all seen cyclists with ear phones in listening to music, using their phones, no helmets, riding on pavements when they shouldn’t, going through red lights, sitting up straight with hands off the handlebars, dark clothes, no lights, wrong way down one way streets, riding straight out of a junction without looking, jumping off the pavement onto the road without looking. The list is endless and until the law changes to make cyclists take a test before they can use the road, made to wear a helmet and have insurance, the problem will only get worse.
 
@Matesrates
I'm sure we've all seen motorists running red lights, going faster than the designated 30mph on most highways, pulling out into traffic and not signaling, not using indicators in general, using mobile phones whilst driving, eating whilst driving, the list is endless.
Even after having a test some get into such bad habits early in their driving life that it was pointless taking a test in the 1st place.
Until the law changes and you're made to review your driving skills at a test centre every three years or so there will always be drivers who are dickheads, just as you've got cyclists who are dickheads.
You get hit by a bike the chances are you survive.
You get hit by a car the chances are (as the advert says) you get seriously injured or die.
 
The amount of inconsiderate and downright stupid cyclists I see on a Saturday and Sunday morning beggars belief. I’m usually quite hungover when I get in the car yet they still ride in a way that is likely to annoy me.
 
The amount of inconsiderate and downright stupid cyclists I see on a Saturday and Sunday morning beggars belief. I’m usually quite hungover when I get in the car yet they still ride in a way that is likely to annoy me.
Have you ever thought that, while hungover, you might still be over the drink-drive limit? Depending on the quantity drunk the night before and your metabolism, it can take 12 hours to sufficiently process the blood alcohol content.
 
Cycling should be banned from the footpath.
Every day on Blackpool Old Rd P-l-Fylde, there are cyclists and electric cycles on the footpath.
B Old Rd is a narrow main road and not fit for purpose. Many cars parked overnight and during the day.
Many cars exceed the 30 mph limit. One idiot overtook me recently becaus I was doing 20 in the 20 MPH zone near to town centre.
I admit it's dangerous, especially for youngsters, but surely the Council could do something about it?
 
Cycling should be banned from the footpath.
Every day on Blackpool Old Rd P-l-Fylde, there are cyclists and electric cycles on the footpath.
B Old Rd is a narrow main road and not fit for purpose. Many cars parked overnight and during the day.
Many cars exceed the 30 mph limit. One idiot overtook me recently becaus I was doing 20 in the 20 MPH zone near to town centre.
I admit it's dangerous, especially for youngsters, but surely the Council could do something about it?
When I was a kid, you’d be castigated for riding your bike on the pavement.
 
The only reason cyclists use footways is because they perceive the roads to be unsafe as there are too many cars and too many dickheads driving them.
In other words, our roads are not designed to accommodate the huge increase in traffic as well as the huge increase in the size of cars, therefore they’re not safe for cyclists. It would probably be impossible to alter existing roads to safely accommodate all modes of transport.
 
In other words, our roads are not designed to accommodate the huge increase in traffic as well as the huge increase in the size of cars, therefore they’re not safe for cyclists. It would probably be impossible to alter existing roads to safely accommodate all modes of transport.
A lot of roads in Lancashire were designed for horses nevermind cars.

People need to learn to drive less, it's shocking the number of short distance journeys that are driven rather than walked or cycled.
 
Bright clothing and lights should be a given, but you only have to look down from a HGV to see the masses who drive cars and vans looking at and using handheld devices 😡
 
I remember how quiet the roads used to be.
I was on a GPO push bike on the promenade roadway just near the Town Hall and going south.
One of the lads a little older than I, was on a M/cycle. He got his left hand behind my saddle and said 'Hold on'.
I held on and he accelerated. He told me we were doing 35 MPH going south on the prom.
Not a lot of traffic in those days.
It would have been 1950/51.
 
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