David Cameron

An utterly shameless performance by Call me Dave. It's the entitlement that gets me.
Apparently the fact that he would have stood to make tens of millions (he wouldn't reveal the figure) by gaining government backing for the Greensill floatation was irrelevant. Everything that he did, he did because it was in the national interest, even the numerous rather desperate text messages that he sent to various government and CS figures. Despite attending many Greensill board meetings Dave didn't know that the company was in trouble and can't recall many salient details, except that everything that he did was because he loves the country. It's a hard life being an ex-PM, when you are down to your last Ā£20 million and perhaps the state should provide activities for these poor souls so they don't end up in trouble.
A pig caught with his snout in the trough of public finance, disgusting and shameless.
 
and yet people wouldn't vote for Ed Miliband because he looked a bit odd eating a bacon sandwich. What a f**king country!
Image is everything and always has been.
They couldnā€™t make Ed seem cool in a way that Blair was seen to be.

The Torys will continue to dominate with Etons finest ā€˜born to ruleā€™ until Labour sacrifices principles and go for show.

Sad but true
 
Having lived in the area - you're having a laugh.

Amazing how many 'Skinners' seemed to have various 'jobs' associated with the Council, allegedly.
Not saying he is perfect, but there was some honesty, foresight and openness when he called out Dodgy Dave prior to being ejected from the House!
Not much fence-sitting from Dennis' perspective, although, you're right, there wasn't much investment in his constituency, nor was he visible enough prior to the election (surgery notwithstanding). That doesn't set him or his constituency apart from hundreds of others.

Don't think anyone hasn't abused their position or influence at some point.

Current and former Cabinet ministers are hardly role models or credible representatives and their non-elected aides, together with senior civil servants have power which I find frightening.
Once met Campbell, Clark, a current and former cabinet secretary plus several Bands 2-7 at a Civil Service Awards Ceremony. Their arrogance, disdain for and lack of awareness of the demands made of front-line public (not civil) servants was staggering.
Could excuse the behaviour of one of the aforementioned, as he was as drunk as a................Lord.
 
Ed M knifed his brother in the back.

David M would have given DC a far closer run; in fact, it may have been a Lib/Lab coalition.

He also wouldn't have put membership down to Ā£3 which was opening the door to Marxist/Leninist/Trotskyist Momentum (depending on your particular shade of socialism) and making Labour unelectable for another decade.

On such small things do the fate of a nation turn.

Edited to add: David Cameron wasn't a very good PM, bit of a chancer and a coward for running away when he lost the 2016 referendum.
 
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and yet people wouldn't vote for Ed Miliband because he looked a bit odd eating a bacon sandwich. What a f**king country!
Ed Millinand was / is an absolute **!

So is Camoron, by the way, but there was much more to Millibandā€™s failure than baconbuttygate.

Adopting this attitude that ā€œthe voters are stupid because they donā€™t vote for usā€ is precisely the reason Labour has become the dogs dinner that it is.
 
Ed Millinand was / is an absolute **!

So is Camoron, by the way, but there was much more to Millibandā€™s failure than baconbuttygate.

Adopting this attitude that ā€œthe voters are stupid because they donā€™t vote for usā€ is precisely the reason Labour has become the dogs dinner that it is.
And I suppose calling a senior politician 'an absolute **' is a nuanced critique of his beliefs and approach to national politics....? You set 'em up, I'll bowl at em.
 
Ed Millinand was / is an absolute **!

So is Camoron, by the way, but there was much more to Millibandā€™s failure than baconbuttygate.

Adopting this attitude that ā€œthe voters are stupid because they donā€™t vote for usā€ is precisely the reason Labour has become the dogs dinner that it is.
Spot on with the last sentence. They still do it today as do the ones on here. They just don't get it. But hey its a chuckle reading (and occasionally responding to) the continuous echo chamber bollocks knowing that the rest of us outside are cracking on.
 
And I suppose calling a senior politician 'an absolute **' is a nuanced critique of his beliefs and approach to national politics....? You set 'em up, I'll bowl at em.
Itā€™s about as nuanced a critique as he was a capable ā€˜seniorā€™ politician.

It would be wrong to describe him as the beginning of the end for New Labour as Gordon Brown takes that mantle, but he certainly helped them on the road to what might well turn out to be a permanent demise. At the very least a likely decade more as a political irrelevance.

As I said, your own ā€˜Momentumā€™ approach of ā€œThe electorate is too thick to appreciate how great we areā€ and complete lack of acknowledgment of where the real problems lie is the biggest issue.... A complete disconnect from and total lack of respect for normal working people.
 
Itā€™s about as nuanced a critique as he was a capable ā€˜seniorā€™ politician.

It would be wrong to describe him as the beginning of the end for New Labour as Gordon Brown takes that mantle, but he certainly helped them on the road to what might well turn out to be a permanent demise. At the very least a likely decade more as a political irrelevance.

As I said, your own ā€˜Momentumā€™ approach of ā€œThe electorate is too thick to appreciate how great we areā€ and complete lack of acknowledgment of where the real issues lie is the biggest issue.... A complete disconnect from and total lack of respect normal working people.
Get back on the bus X3. I'm no Momentum lover. It would help if you didn't throw comments around based on assumptions. Ed Miliband was a good leader, he's an excellent debater and I'd have him back in charge like a shot. And no, it's got nowt to do with wanting a free-run for the far left. I'd also have Lisa Nandy, Stephen Kinnock, Jess Phillips, Hilary Benn and Alan Johnson in the Shadow Cabinet; a mix of good tallrnt from around the country and from across the classes.
 
Get back on the bus X3. I'm no Momentum lover. It would help if you didn't throw comments around based on assumptions. Ed Miliband was a good leader, he's an excellent debater and I'd have him back in charge like a shot. And no, it's got nowt to do with wanting a free-run for the far left. I'd also have Lisa Nandy, Stephen Kinnock, Jess Phillips, Hilary Benn and Alan Johnson in the Shadow Cabinet; a mix of good tallrnt from around the country and from across the classes.
Heā€™s an unelectable Wally, 1966.
 
and yet people wouldn't vote for Ed Miliband because he looked a bit odd eating a bacon sandwich. What a f**king country!
But you are right about the people in this country, didnā€™t people boycott Yorkshire tea because rishi was pictured drinking it šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ madness.
 
Cameron was trying to intimidate civil servants into giving Greensill favours.

Scandalous behaviour
 
Disagree, so there.
Thatā€™s fine, but in my view itā€™s part of the issue. To my mind itā€™s precisely that kind of mystical belief that ā€œI know bestā€ despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary... The willingness to believe ā€œitā€™s not me thatā€™s wrong, itā€™s the entire electorateā€ etc...

In truth itā€™s a disease that has plagued labour for as long as I can remember.

Like watching Dragons Den when someone simply canā€™t see their idea / product is the shittest thing since shit was invented... You just canā€™t help some people.
 
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